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It's interesting how quickly the next generation of young players have learned and now go to youth focused European teams rather than fester on a beach somewhere
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tarbrush posted:It's interesting how quickly the next generation of young players have learned and now go to youth focused European teams rather than fester on a beach somewhere Honestly it was more odd how the previous generation of English talent was so averse to it. It's very common pretty much everywhere else.
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Oct 27, 2021 12:13
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TheRat posted:Honestly it was more odd how the previous generation of English talent was so averse to it. It's very common pretty much everywhere else.
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Oct 27, 2021 12:45
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Oct 27, 2021 12:46
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Flayer posted:It surely was a cultural thing, like how English players going abroad was pretty rare and usually a big deal. That's definitely seen a shift over the last few years. Even now it’s uncommon, and it seems like most of the English players abroad come back pretty quickly
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Oct 27, 2021 12:54
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Even now it’s uncommon, and it seems like most of the English players abroad come back pretty quickly Premier league makes more money than any other league by a long way, and English players are worth more in England for marketing and sponsorship reasons.
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Oct 27, 2021 13:04
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Flayer posted:It surely was a cultural thing, like how English players going abroad was pretty rare and usually a big deal. That's definitely seen a shift over the last few years. The young players just wanted to take advantage of traveling in Europe before Brexit came into effect
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tarbrush posted:Not sure how people feel about Tifo, but their evisceration of Solskjaer here is pretty direct and brutal. "That is too much for a human. It's definitely too much for Fred and McTominay."
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Oct 27, 2021 21:13
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And because one member of the squad had played for a different manager in a very different system a decade earlier Wenger can't take the credit for his defense?
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Oct 27, 2021 23:30
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Good ball by Dixon posted:And because one member of the squad had played for a different manager in a very different system a decade earlier Wenger can't take the credit for his defense? It's pretty much a fact that Wenger's defence got worse the longer he was at the club. Its heyday was Dixon/Adams/Keown/Winterburn, quite literally one of the best defences the English top flight has seen. Lauren Campbell Toure Cole was of course decent and had a Leicester like season of success at the back in 2004. Cole hosed off though, Toure became a parody of himself and I don't recall the trajectory of the other two. Wenger assembled precisely one decent defence himself that lasted a couple of seasons. It's not a loving stretch to point out that his early success was on a bedrock of a defence he inherited and aside for a brief quartet mentioned above, has had middling to laughable defences over the seasons since.
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Oct 28, 2021 00:50
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Leicester like season of success at the back in 2004 i like having a lol at arsenal like anyone else but this is too much
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Oct 28, 2021 01:29
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:It's pretty much a fact that Wenger's defence got worse the longer he was at the club. Its heyday was Dixon/Adams/Keown/Winterburn, quite literally one of the best defences the English top flight has seen. Lauren Campbell Toure Cole was of course decent and had a Leicester like season of success at the back in 2004. Cole hosed off though, Toure became a parody of himself and I don't recall the trajectory of the other two. Wenger assembled precisely one decent defence himself that lasted a couple of seasons. It's not a loving stretch to point out that his early success was on a bedrock of a defence he inherited and aside for a brief quartet mentioned above, has had middling to laughable defences over the seasons since. I agree with this. And I loved Wenger. I drank the kool aid. But he's been mythologized way too much. And no, I don't want to give Wenger credit for poo poo anymore because hindsight exists. We can say that he built zero good defenses after the invincibles and that squad was made early in his tenure before rich owners/TV deals changed the league forever and before he was given full control over transfers.
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Oct 28, 2021 02:44
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So when are Arsenal gonna hire Simeone?
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Oct 28, 2021 03:34
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Arsenal made it to the Champion’s League final with a back four of Flamini, Senderos, Djourou and Eboue, beating Juventus and Madrid along the way. Lightning in a loving bottle, that back four.
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Oct 28, 2021 04:42
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Big Ron Koemans just come back on the market. Always thought he just needed to spend more money to really match his vision and ambition, would be a good fit for man u imo
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the sex ghost posted:Big Ron Koemans just come back on the market. Always thought he just needed to spend more money to really match his vision and ambition, would be a good fit for man u imo I know you're a Leeds fan, but this is too far
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Bape Culture posted:The cars on fire and Ninpos clutching Taffs picked through the rubble and pulled out their hair
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Oct 28, 2021 09:51
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Oct 28, 2021 14:46
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/status/1453713494096949255?s=21 Are there any other good Czech footballers for us to buy? Schick and Hlozek maybe?
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Oct 28, 2021 14:53
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Bogan Krkic posted:Are there any other good Czech footballers for us to buy? Schick and Hlozek maybe? Hlozek is the one I’ve heard making the rounds. Especially since the guy owns Sparta Prague as well. Mickey and his terrible hamstrings may get some backup yet
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Oct 28, 2021 15:21
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T Bowl posted:So when are Arsenal gonna hire Simeone? I read that Atletico made Simeone the best paid football manager in the world (at least in terms of on the books salary). How much would Arsenal be willing to spend on a manager?
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Eric Cantonese posted:I read that Atletico made Simeone the best paid football manager in the world (at least in terms of on the books salary). How much would Arsenal be willing to spend on a manager? £1 more I reckon
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Eric Cantonese posted:I read that Atletico made Simeone the best paid football manager in the world (at least in terms of on the books salary). How much would Arsenal be willing to spend on a manager? Just a joke from when that was the narrative because Wenger was gone and the defense was terrible.
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sticksy posted:It's telling how weak Ole's position is and how little he's respected by the players that Eric loving Bailly is telling him off in front of the others in the changing room. lol that was my thought too. him? of all people?
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T Bowl posted:So when are Arsenal gonna hire Simeone? when klopp leaves in 2024 i would love for him to be the successor but that will never happen
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Oct 29, 2021 14:27
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Some of those players realising they would be sold by a manager with half an ounce of tactical ability.
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Oct 29, 2021 14:33
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Just texting my boss's boss to say that I suck and please don't take it out on the guy who will never lose faith in me
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Oct 29, 2021 14:36
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greazeball posted:Just texting my boss's boss to say that I suck and please don't take it out on the guy who will never lose faith in me ok slab head but seriously maguire's getting sold to norwich if ole goes
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Oct 29, 2021 18:15
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Eighty million pounds sterling.
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I don't really watch utd often enough... Is Maguire genuinely poo poo, or just not a world class defender?
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The Perfect Element posted:I don't really watch utd often enough... Is Maguire genuinely poo poo, or just not a world class defender? He's their captain and the most expensive defender in the history of world football, I'm sure he's a better defender than I am but that's not really the standard he should be measured by.
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The Perfect Element posted:I don't really watch utd often enough... Is Maguire genuinely poo poo, or just not a world class defender? i've always thought maguire was pretty alright, but 1) i think manu fans got rather spoiled by the likes of vidic/ferdinand for a long time and just sort of expect every center back signing they make to be a world beater and 2) he's naturally going to be compared with VVD as their career trajectories and prices were similar and that's a tough comparison he isn't worth what they paid for him but he also isn't the thing holding the team back from greatness.
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Maguire doesn't really do much marshalling which is what you really expect from a a captain and your star CB. He's very quiet and just kinda moans after the fact
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Oct 29, 2021 19:58
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Maguire has a lot of comedy moments where he gets turned inside out by half-decent players and wrestles his own teammates out of the way. He's not quite Phil Jones tripping over his own feet but from a similar school.
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Oct 29, 2021 21:25
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The point about United fans being pampered is probably there. There are only a handful of top class central defenders available in the market. Maguire isn’t worth 80m but he fulfills the homegrown quota and there aren’t too many better out there.
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Vegetable posted:there aren’t too many better out there. English CBs or CBs in general? Because if it's the latter then ehhhhhhhhhh
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Maguire was right at his level with Leicester, which is not disrespectful to either. Manchester United should never have sold Evans.
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Maguire has been really really good for Man Utd for most of his stay. He's been loving awful this season though. But not as bad as Shaw.Reprisal posted:Manchester United should never have sold Evans. Also, 100% this.
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