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ymgve posted:Which is also no reason for shutting them down and giving up. Some of the biggest discoveries in science has been made when someone said "this doesn't add up" Well afaik in the book (haven’t seen the show yet) it’s driving scientists insane and to suicide.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:18
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MarcusSA posted:Well afaik in the book (haven’t seen the show yet) it’s driving scientists insane and to suicide. It’s also kinda implied in the show that some of the suicides might actually be staged murders by the human cult that’s siding with the invading aliens. It’s also not just “physics is broken, so I’m going to kill myself”, some of these scientists are also being tortured by the Sophons with intense visual hallucinations of an ominous countdown that’s always visible in their line of sight and threatened with some kind of harm if they don’t immediately shut down their work/research.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:27
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Big McHuge posted:2 episodes into 3BP and I can't quite describe why, but the dialogue just feels off. The non-subtitled parts feel like a poorly translated dub like one of the spanish/italian series that Mrs McHuge watches. My impression is that there's nothing they can do with the results. It's just random nonsense.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:27
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Alhazred posted:My impression is that there's nothing they can do with the results. It's just random nonsense. That's what I got too, as well as their funding being pulled so it's not like they could continue even if they wanted to.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:34
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At first the show presents it as the results not lining up with current scientific theories, the idea that our view of science could be completely wrong should excite a good part of the science community not lead them to kill themselves. Then later it becomes more clear what is going on, but it’s the show fault for waiting five episodes for the story to really get interesting.
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Mar 26, 2024 16:51
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In the book (haven't watched the series yet), it's pretty clear that the people shutting down the projects know they are getting completely randomized results due to alien interference so it's just a waste of resources to keep those projects going. The scientists that are being driven insane and/or threatened are the ones that are working on tech that can't be messed with on the quantum level but could still pose a threat. There are also those that killed themselves once they knew they couldn't complete their life's work.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:00
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Oasx posted:Then later it becomes more clear what is going on, but it’s the show fault for waiting five episodes for the story to really get interesting. This is how narratives work. Information relevant to mysteries is given to you slowly, not immediately.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:01
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Oasx posted:At first the show presents it as the results not lining up with current scientific theories, the idea that our view of science could be completely wrong should excite a good part of the science community not lead them to kill themselves. It's pretty clear from the first scenes in the first episode that scientists aren't killing themselves because of the colliders being buggy. It's even implied that they're not actually killing themselves when the detective says that they sure are committing suicide in weird ways.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:18
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Alhazred posted:It's pretty clear from the first scenes in the first episode that scientists aren't killing themselves because of the colliders being buggy. It's even implied that they're not actually killing themselves when the detective says that they sure are committing suicide in weird ways. But then the show trips itself up by showing us a very clear suicide on screen, by someone whose shown to be working on a collider. I agree with your post, but it doesn't half go out of it's way to muddy the waters.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:21
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I spoiled myself on the books back when they became popular so I know what is going on in 3BP, but lol at being less then halfway into a televised series and complaining there are unexplained mysteries.
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Mar 26, 2024 17:27
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pentyne posted:I spoiled myself on the books back when they became popular so I know what is going on in 3BP, but lol at being less then halfway into a televised series and complaining there are unexplained mysteries. Or maybe people are just confused because in most sci-fi stories it's only the latter thing that's the mystery?
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Mar 26, 2024 17:40
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MarcusSA posted:Well afaik in the book (haven’t seen the show yet) it’s driving scientists insane and to suicide. yes it was still stupid in the book
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Mar 26, 2024 17:41
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PriorMarcus posted:But then the show trips itself up by showing us a very clear suicide on screen, by someone whose shown to be working on a collider. And then immediately after her friends are talking about how weird that was and that it really wasn't anything leading up to it.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:07
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Alhazred posted:And then immediately after her friends are talking about how weird that was and that it really wasn't anything leading up to it. I haven't watched the show or read the books, but what you describe does often happen with real life death by suicide. Just saying.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:18
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thrawn527 posted:I haven't watched the show or read the books, but what you describe does often happen with real life death by suicide. Just saying. The other posters are completely confused because the show hasn't immediately explained what is going on with the strange suicides, pointing out they may not be strange isn't the problem.
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Mar 26, 2024 18:30
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ymgve posted:yes it was still stupid in the book I disagree
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Mar 26, 2024 18:34
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Open Source Idiom posted:This is a wild swing since I don't know if anyone here sounds like the right audience for it, but Davey And Jonesie's Locker, a Hulu/Amazon co-production, is kind of fantastic. It's a Canadian highschool science-fiction throwback about a pair of intolerable teen girls who accidentally get trapped in a Sliders scenario. Ok for a 9 year old? Need a new family-ish show.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:29
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Oasx posted:They briefly talked about the various non-lethal options, but they were afraid that the people on the ship would have time to erase the evidence Yeah, detective guy ran through that, but they were awfully confident that running an entire ship through a giant cheese grater somehow wouldn't have the same effect. It was just bizarre. I think I agree with whoever said it's a collection of cool ideas with dumb plot and characters.
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Mar 26, 2024 21:02
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I can't quite remember the exact passage in the book, but I think they addressed some aspect of that in the book.
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Mar 26, 2024 21:08
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bull3964 posted:I can't quite remember the exact passage in the book, but I think they addressed some aspect of that in the book. It was something like if a hard disk got cut in half it would be possible to put it back together since the cut was so clean
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Mar 26, 2024 21:34
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PriorMarcus posted:But then the show trips itself up by showing us a very clear suicide on screen, by someone whose shown to be working on a collider. The show does explain this later on, because in the case shown she's not killing herself because of the bad science but because of what she learned about her mother. I read the book years ago and can't remember a ton of details about the characters in it, but the show at least does show why the one particular suicide we're shown was different from the other implied suicides that were potentially murders. I'm one episode left and liking it so far, dumb elements notwithstanding, but I do absolutely think that it improves on the characterization of the book in that the characters actually are characters at the very least. I haven't read a lot about the show online but I do think it's strange that no one seems to be complaining about an almost entirely-Chinese cast in the book now being mostly non-Asian. I just remember the huge controversies over individual characters in The Martian, Altered Carbon, and Annihilation but no one seems to be saying anything about this. I'll be a bit conspiratorial and wonder if it's because it's a Chinese book by a Chinese author and most of the liberal nerds who would complain about it don't care because China bad, especially after the recent Worldcon where Cixin Liu was one of the guests of honor.
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Mar 26, 2024 22:50
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Chubby Henparty posted:Ok for a 9 year old? Need a new family-ish show. I'm a terrible judge of this kind of thing. There's nothing particularly gory or explicit, but there's definitely an explicit reference to drugs ("And then we go to the bathroom and snort some pingo pongo rays, or whatever designer drug they made up.") and I doubt the Riverdale ep would make much sense. Yeah, prolly not eh.
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Mar 26, 2024 23:00
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Alhazred posted:And then immediately after her friends are talking about how weird that was and that it really wasn't anything leading up to it. It also then turns out that she committed suicide for a different reason efb I got distracted dangit
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Mar 26, 2024 23:06
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Also fundamentally the science on the show is dogshit because it's not really about science, it's about the cultural revolution. The sci-fi nonsense is just there to put all of existence in a situation to mirror the revolution, where basically everyone is either a motherfucker or dead, and the motherfuckers just die later.
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Mar 26, 2024 23:16
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Chubby Henparty posted:Ok for a 9 year old? Need a new family-ish show. Yeah I'd say so, I loved shows like that as a kid and it's pretty wholesome, they could easily go dark or heavy with a lot of these things but do not, it's all pretty silly and about the kids learning growing up stuff, albeit in really heightened alternate universe ways.
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Mar 27, 2024 07:27
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My inlaws are 60+ and unlike me have horrible tastes in TV shows and watch poo poo like two and half men and everybody loves raymond reruns all the time. I know why this crap was popular (boomers have poo poo tastes) but being exposed to it is causing me real pain. It's the same plots over and over, same mean misogynistic jokes over and over, horrible characters that don't grow or change, just be mean and horrible to each other over and over. Chuck Lorre and Phil Rosenthal deserve the death penalty.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:23
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:My inlaws are 60+ and unlike me have horrible tastes in TV shows and watch poo poo like two and half men and everybody loves raymond reruns all the time. I know why this crap was popular (boomers have poo poo tastes) but being exposed to it is causing me real pain. I think they cater to older, more conservative mindsets where "it was the good ol' days," and "people could take a joke." Not to mention the older you get, the more you seem to favor simplicity and plot beats that are easy and don't require a knowledge of what happened the past seasons to get. It's base, channel-flipping humor for people who want to revisit the past. I assume the same will apply to every generation with their own shows, rehashing old favorites like The Sopranos, Patriot, The Wire, Lost, what have you.
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Mar 27, 2024 23:55
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:My inlaws are 60+ and unlike me have horrible tastes in TV shows and watch poo poo like two and half men and everybody loves raymond reruns all the time. I know why this crap was popular (boomers have poo poo tastes) but being exposed to it is causing me real pain. As hosed as America currently is, it used to be a much meaner and more randomly violent place imo. Just constant abuse from and towards every direction. I know it's still frequently like that for members of minority groups, but it used to be everybody. Leon Sumbitches fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 00:21
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woke kaczynski posted:I know I'm late to the party but I just finished Search Party. Didn't know much of anything about it going in and I thought the first couple episodes were meh but then it picked up somewhat, and then after getting to the season 1 finale I was hooked and binged the rest over the next couple days. I can't think of another show I've watched that took quite so many big swings, they definitely didn't all connect but when they did it was incredible and I deeply respect it. Now I'm on a probably futile hunt for something similarly wild. I love Search Party a ton. I was with it all the way, through every insane twist. Open Source Idiom posted:I dunno your tastes, but the best I've got are Fortitude and Raised By Wolves. It's funny, but yes, RBW does have a similar insane energy. Bring back Raised by Wolves, for gently caress sake. Open Source Idiom posted:I keep thinking about the final few episodes. Both genuinely epic in tone, in the old school mythological sense, and also so ludictously batshit that I couldn't help but laugh. A consistent sign of me enjoying something, even if it's not supposed to be funny, is laughter. This is true even for really serious shows. And RBW was serious, but also it was hilarious. Gonz posted:
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Mar 28, 2024 05:18
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A little late to the party I know, but as somebody who didn't grow up watching Nickelodeon even just the first 4 minutes of Quiet on Set is beyond shocking in the blatant sexualization that was apparently regularly on display, Jesus Christ 
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Mar 28, 2024 10:13
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Ohh 3BP talk. I'm 5 episodes in and uh, can somebody please spoil me who druggy cancerboi and his black buddy are, and why they're in the series at all  Thanks. And yeah that show would be a hard pass without Samwell and Davos.
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Mar 28, 2024 13:27
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They’re part of the group of friends who are the main characters of the series? They both gain more plot relevance by the end of the season anyways
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Mar 28, 2024 14:05
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They're friends with the woman who has the nanofiber company, and all are part of a group of scientist friends, one of which was the scientist that committed suicide at the start by jumping into that detector. Cancer boy isn't as accomplished as the rest, but still a super smart dude. The black guy is a genius scientist who just fucks around and does drugs a lot, apparently. They'll be more important in an episode or two. One thing I do really like about 3BP is it's portrayal of intimate platonic male friendships. They really loving care about each other and it shows.
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Mar 28, 2024 14:10
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Based on someone's recommendation here (apologies for forgetting who at the moment), we started Davey and Jonesie's Locker last night. It was light, silly, and charming, making the most of its low budget. I bought the codependent female friendship more than the recent R-rated movie Bottoms, and I liked how unapologetically weird the two heroines are. I just can't tell if it is supposed to be more of a kids' show (I was too old to have ever watched Nickelodeon or Disney Channel shows) or an Adult Swim-style stoner show.
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Mar 28, 2024 15:28
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Despite all the valid criticisms about 3BPs approach to science, I really enjoyed season 1. My only real complaint is that it, at times, feels more like a YA fantasy than sci-fi. I especially love seeing the third wallfacer continually rejecting the position with everyone agreeing he's rejected it, yet carrying on as if he hasn't. Some real lol moments for sure.
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Mar 28, 2024 15:44
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I just can't tell if it is supposed to be more of a kids' show (I was too old to have ever watched Nickelodeon or Disney Channel shows) or an Adult Swim-style stoner show. IMO it'a weirdly both, but if I had to pick one it's the latter disguised as the former. It never breaks with the aesthetic conventions of a kid's show, but it's written with such a strange, knowing energy that i can't imagine a lot of the jokes not going over most kid's heads. Also there's a lot of death, and what's almost definitely a sex cult. Glad you liked it! Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 15:49
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Nichael posted:It's funny, but yes, RBW does have a similar insane energy. Bring back Raised by Wolves, for gently caress sake. Sol will deliver, friend 
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Mar 28, 2024 16:13
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Jerusalem posted:A little late to the party I know, but as somebody who didn't grow up watching Nickelodeon even just the first 4 minutes of Quiet on Set is beyond shocking in the blatant sexualization that was apparently regularly on display, Jesus Christ iCarly had the veneer of being neo-hippie and weird-internet stuff. Like the kids were obviously well off enough for Spencer to be a goofball artist and the high school girl to have access to tons of web-streaming and production gear at a time when a lot of it wasn't just a capture card and an Elgato streamdeck. There was still a lot of "the internet? VIDEOS ON THE INTERNET?! SERIES TOO?" stuff in culture that made it fantastical and odd. So kids acting out a skit where they have spaghetti for hair and shampoo with pasta sauce is kind of weird enough for it to work. And then later you have something that sticks out as blatant THIS IS THE AUTHOR'S FETISH like the blonde girl making PB&J with her feet or just being "off". Victorious just sprints past all that poo poo with weird bullying and creepy undertones throughout. It's an overall meanspirited show. Someone should do one of those no-laugh-tracks edits to it.
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Mar 28, 2024 19:59
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Learning that "the fat guy" from Head of the Class apparently ended up being some kind of powerful figure in kids television for two+ decades was enough of a head trip alone even before learning about all the hosed up poo poo he was apparently doing. Learning that he was sued for sexual harassment and discrimination on the FIRST show he was producer for and that it didn't stop him having that 20+ year career was sadly not as surprising 
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FilthyImp posted:I think Dan "Teen Toe Defiler, Never Prosecuted" Schneider's last show was Victorious and TBH he really had no fucks at that point and probably thought he was untouchable considering the poo poo he put in there. there were some of Dan Schneider's nickelodeon web shorts with arianna grande where she was literally rolling around in a bed sucking her own feet
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Mar 28, 2024 20:41
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