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I've always felt the mandatory guildmaster promotion made for awkward storytelling, especially because Bethesda seems to be really bad at removing the old guildmasters without making them all seem incredibly incompetent. Kodlak gets stabbed off-screen by some no-name Silver Hand members in the middle of his own meadhall surrounded by all his valiant dudes. Savos Aren gets magicked without doing anything, courtesy of the one suspicious Thalmor agent that apparently is allowed to do whatever the gently caress he wants. At least Astrid's (and, really, the entire Dark Brotherhood's) incompetence is part of the story and makes for a good reason to Purge the lot. Only Mercer actually puts up a fight, but that's all he's got going for him. I've never been to Solstheim until recently, but drat, everything Neloth has me doing gives me far more of a mage's guild vibe than anything I ever did for the mage's guild. Now I want more arrogant Telvanni wizard-lords. It would've been wonderful if the actual College of Winterhold questline had been about the Telvanni expanding into Skyrim as a bunch of arrogant refugees plopping down mushroom houses everywhere and experimenting on the local wildlife, Nords included. Just mushroom-up an entire new city-quarter in Winterhold and laugh at the Nords for twiddling their thumbs and bemoaning that their city fell into the sea 78 goddamn years ago.
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The best thing about games like this is getting lost in them and those storylines can really wear thin and make everything seem silly. I want to think that all the factions operate constantly but when I'm the leader and I haven't even been present for months, it starts to seem more like just a bag of content sitting there for you to pick out of rather than having the illusion of being a living breathing institution within the game world.
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May 18, 2016 17:50
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I do feel like you really shouldn't be allowed to do all the questlines on the same playthrough. Like if all of Skyrim knows you're high up in the Dark Brotherhood then no way in hell would the Companions let you set foot in their mead hall, ever, and the story should reflect that. I know I can always just choose not to do one faction questline or another, but it would have been better for ~MY IMMERSION~ if Brynjolf would actually say "wait, aren't you the Harbinger of the Companions? You know, come to think of it I've never heard of any Thieves Guild. Law and order every time here in Riften, yessiree. Sorry I can't chat more but I just remembered an urgent appointment in Haafingar. Bye."
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May 18, 2016 19:02
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Also like how every guard will randomly comment on you being an assassin as soon as you join.Chief Savage Man posted:The best thing about games like this is getting lost in them and those storylines can really wear thin and make everything seem silly. I want to think that all the factions operate constantly but when I'm the leader and I haven't even been present for months, it starts to seem more like just a bag of content sitting there for you to pick out of rather than having the illusion of being a living breathing institution within the game world.
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May 18, 2016 19:38
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I still hope that Bethesda will get over their giant boner for the Dark Brotherhood and instead let me join a professional outfit instead, such as the Morag Tong, for the next TES game.
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May 18, 2016 19:48
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Poil posted:Also like how every guard will randomly comment on you being an assassin as soon as you join. Very true. I just want to be paid to kill people on the sly, without all that weird cultist baggage. Cicero would have been a way better Listener, but then again, I really don't like listening to him very much.
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May 18, 2016 19:49
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Or if the player has to be the Listener, then actually have them preform that task. Nazir can do the Speaker's job, add some dialogue where you can tell him what the Night-Mother said and then have him order an assassin to the target. It wouldn't really be more exiting then the existing post-DarkBrotherhood questline content, but at least it would be less silly then the player running around being an one-person Dark Brotherhood guild and it cold give some sort of interaction with the guild they're supposed to be in charge. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 19:54
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Sylphosaurus posted:I still hope that Bethesda will get over their giant boner for the Dark Brotherhood and instead let me join a professional outfit instead, such as the Morag Tong, for the next TES game. Absolutely this. The last page has really emphasized what I want from the next TES game: Enough with the DB and can we please move on from being grand leader of everything. It's made less and less sense with each successive game.
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May 18, 2016 21:40
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At least in the previous games you had to work for it. But in skyrim, it's 3 dungeon romps and you're the leader of <insert faction here>.
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May 18, 2016 21:46
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It's still funny to me that they didn't make you master a magic school before they make you Archmage.
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May 18, 2016 21:59
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Lycus posted:It's still funny to me that they didn't make you master a magic school before they make you Archmage. But but but the Thu'um!
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May 18, 2016 22:01
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It's also annoying that they don't let you opt out of guilds once you start their quest lines. Maybe I don't want to be press-ganged into a Daedric cult, or hang out with a bunch of werewolves, and I don't care if bailing out woulds piss off those people in one way or another.
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May 18, 2016 22:09
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The best part is that your privileges of leadership are -do even more bitch work -get a lovely companion to follow you -get a less lovely room. It's weird because it's a step back from even Oblivion (Fg loot box, mg ingredient cloning, gray cowl tg, dB continue murdering)
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May 18, 2016 22:13
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One of the more annoying parts of the companions is that you're shoehorned into being a werewolf, and it overrides your blood sucking. 
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May 18, 2016 22:39
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Poil posted:One of the more annoying parts of the companions is that you're shoehorned into being a werewolf, and it overrides your blood sucking. Werewolf is faster and heals quicker too once you get to eat things. It also looks cooler than that shity underworld knock-off
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May 18, 2016 23:02
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I'll give credit to Dawnguard, at least they got the faction thing right. "I mean yeah you did just single-handedly kill a vampire lord who wanted to blot out the sun, but gently caress if I'm going to let you lead my guild. Now here, go kill these vampires, come back when you finish." - Isran I also liked the fact that even though he sent you to investigate what Serana was doing with an Elder Scroll, including escorting her back to her castle, he STILL calls you out for being stupid enough to let a loving vampire keep an Elder Scroll.
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May 18, 2016 23:13
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Isran was pretty cool, easily the most competent guild leader but that's not saying much.Nasgate posted:Werewolf is faster and heals quicker too once you get to eat things. It also looks cooler than that shity underworld knock-off
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May 18, 2016 23:19
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Where do all those werewolves keep their ragged pants anyway, because they certainly aren't wearing them
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Scyantific posted:I also liked the fact that even though he sent you to investigate what Serana was doing with an Elder Scroll, including escorting her back to her castle, he STILL calls you out for being stupid enough to let a loving vampire keep an Elder Scroll.  And speaking of guilds, I find it baffling that the one guild where you have to work to become the leader is the Thieves' Guild: every other guild makes you their boss as soon as the plotline is over, while in the TG you have to have done both that and enough radiant quests before that happens. 
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Lycus posted:It's still funny to me that they didn't make you master a magic school before they make you Archmage. When you think about it, killing someone really fast with a giant axe can be considered a school of magic. "Would you like to see a magic trick, little bandit?" 
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May 19, 2016 02:21
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Poil posted:Isran was pretty cool, easily the most competent guild leader but that's not saying much. I'll take being smelly over getting hosed by the sun. Also being able to stun lock dragons owns.
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May 19, 2016 02:55
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Sylphosaurus posted:I still hope that Bethesda will get over their giant boner for the Dark Brotherhood and instead let me join a professional outfit instead, such as the Morag Tong, for the next TES game. Morag Tong for life. Mephala and I can laugh together at the silly Dork Brotherhood thinking they worship Sithis and not just dying hilariously for Mephala herself all along.
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On the subject of DLC quests, I actually really liked Dragonborn's. In a game where you are Dragondick McGee, head of every guild and everybody is wheat before you it gets a little immersion breaking. Hermaeus Mora is a refreshing villain, because he's smarter than you, more powerful than you, and more importantly gets what he wants. The bit of dialogue at the end where you tell Hermaeus Mora that you'll never serve him and he's like "What, do you think I'll just send a letter and ask? You are my bitch and you will jump through my hoops." really works. And the bit after with whatshername where she tells you you don't have to be is kind of touching too. I like Miraak as a character too, and the final fight on Apocrypha with him is actually really cool - a nice bookends type thing, he can do what you can, Dragonborn v. Dragonborn. Like yeah Apocrypha drags on and on but its main quest feels like what DGs should have been - an actual story where you care about the ending And at least the railroading in DB made actual sense - you're being strung along by someone more powerful than you, rather than not killing Serana straight off because um Also Neloth is loving awesome.
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radintorov posted:Unfortunately that too is another weak bit of writing because if you are meticulous and check in with Isran before taking Serana home, he tells you to play along and then berates you for following his orders when you do take her to her father. Well technically he never tells you "whatever you do, DO NOT give them the Elder Scroll she has." But yeah, I like to assume the idea that Isran assumes you're not a walking bag of retarded to think that "hey maybe I should hold on to this elder scroll." But :bethesdawriting:
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Well once Bethesda decided the entire DLC would revolve around Serana and you were not going to be permitted to kill her ever no matter what, it became impossible to write around that in any way other than by making both Isran and the player idiots. There's no way Serana was going to hand the Scroll over to a pack of fanatic vampire hunters whose leader insists on calling her "it". The only way to get it would be to loot it from her corpse. And since you're not allowed to kill her because then there'd be no story, welp.
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They could have had her give you whole Dracula look into my eyes gimmick, that at least would have given you some reason for why you cant just kill her off hand. Or maybe they could have given her some information you need, and provided you with the knowledge that she has it, again making it a bad idea to kill her offhand. Or it being a fantasy game, they could have somehow tied your life to hers, making it so killing her would be committing suicide. Or maybe you get the quest to retrieve her from her Father, who is holding something precious to you (or some other quest giver, since who knows what a Bethesda PC would consider precious) that means you have to acquiesce to their demands. There are ways this stuff can be done, Bethesda doesn't really seem interested in bothering though beyond getting the premise across and then sending you off to a dungeon.
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"Oh, hey there. I killed a bear yesterday! Did you kill anything?" (blink) "Yeah, Ria. I killed... hang on, let me think a second... two bears, a frost troll, about a dozen bandits, four or five... how many wolves was it, Lydia?... right, five wolves... and three Thalmor soldiers. Ahh, that last one was satisfying." "..." "Oh, and two dragons. Did I mention the dragons? But hey, great job on the bear, keep up the good work." Oh, Skyrim 
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My favourite thing coming from the dawn guard dlc was someone talking about how they wanted to wrap themselves in the Elder Scrolls to create an invicible armor since they can't be destroyed.
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Was that in-game? Also it's hilarious when you Shout around Neloth. "Yes, yes, you're the Dragonborn, we're all very impressed  "
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Nasgate posted:My favourite thing coming from the dawn guard dlc was someone talking about how they wanted to wrap themselves in the Elder Scrolls to create an invicible armor since they can't be destroyed. Hah that's pretty great. I did like the animation you see where once you get your hands on an elder scroll if you decide to give your dumb self a big fat eyeful of perception-shredding reality. I almost want someone to mod a permanent blindness side effect from that bad decision.
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Mzbundifund posted:Hah that's pretty great. I did like the animation you see where once you get your hands on an elder scroll if you decide to give your dumb self a big fat eyeful of perception-shredding reality. This is my favourite elder scroll-related mod
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:This is my favourite elder scroll-related mod 
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This game's turned me into such a sap, I swear. 'For the first time, I feel... alone.' is all it took to take Aranea as my follower. Now she's stationed via Wait in my house, guarding my kids, wife and housecarl. Not alone on my watch 
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Tried out Skyrim in VorpX. It's 3D and works well. My chief issue is I don't know if it adds anything other than the 3d. It's still better controlled with the mouse than headlooking (and I can't help myself). In addition the resolution is not as good as on a 1080p monitor, shadows are all sorts of hosed, dialogue is borked because it moves the head by simulating mouse tracking and the mouse doesn't move the head in dialogue until you hit the edge of the screen, text isn't quite as readable (books I can imagine to be a loving nightmare to read). It's enough that I'm highly intrigued in the idea of a VR Elder Scrolls game, and I might bust it out every now and again for a few things, but I don't see any need to play in VR.
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Please tell me shouts are tied to your microphone.
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http://i.imgur.com/AAhA0sN.mp4
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Nasgate posted:My favourite thing coming from the dawn guard dlc was someone talking about how they wanted to wrap themselves in the Elder Scrolls to create an invicible armor since they can't be destroyed. Agents are GO! posted:Was that in-game? Yeah, when you have one or more Elder Scrolls, one of the characters asks what you're going to do with it/them now, and one of your dialogue choices is "They're indestructible, so they'd make good armor."
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https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/skyrim-special-edition-unveiled-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc/2016/06/12/145 I wonder if they can out-mod the modders. Or rather, I'm quite sure they CAN, but will they have done so? Good thing most of us will be getting it for free to find out!
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Lordshmee posted:https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/skyrim-special-edition-unveiled-for-ps4-xbox-one-and-pc/2016/06/12/145 Hey, if I can get a game that looks like I have a bunch of HD mods + ENB running without having to futz around with either, I'd take it.
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