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SKULL.GIF posted:

What is it about the Raiders and Bengals that they're completely fine taking people with questionable histories?

Eifert Posting posted:

and again, Andre Smith having a gun in his carry on bag at the goddamned airport what the christ dude and so on.

WHOOPS posted:

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/858150371432304640

Kalli posted:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/858136468207882241

Eifert Posting posted:

I can't speak for the Raiders but I think for the Bengals it's a result of three factors:

1. It's a mom and pop organization with job security and no knowledge of or care for media perception. The only decision makers who matter are Kate Blackburn, Mike Brown, Marvin Lewis and Duke Tobin. They're all career football people of varying levels of success who could die in their role if they wanted to. If there's a person in the room who gives a poo poo about twitter or ESPN they have zero clout. It shows. They have a weird way of turning into negative press that shows a basic lack of interest in what people think.

In 2014 Marvin called a player a "midget" and dismissed concussions in two separate press conferences, all within a couple of weeks. Can you imagine what would happen to a normal coach if they pulled that poo poo? Gone.

2. Bengals are addicted to players who drop. Free agency and draft bargains are their entire development philosophy.

3. Confirmation bias. The Bengals had a massive issue from roughly 2004 to 2012 where they led the league in arrests. Pacman has more arrests now than the rest of the team collectively.

These #s are out of date, but in 2015 the Bengals were tied for 10th in the league in arrests with ten, largely as a result of the first two years. By contrast, from 2002 to 2016 they are third, with 43 (Broncos and Vikings). I don't think people think of legal issues when they think of the Colts or Buccs or Broncos or Vikings. People didn't say "same old Vikings" when they drafted Dalvin Cook.

The Bengals also have had their arrests in spectacularly stupid fashion. Chris Henry committing violent crimes in his actual game jersey, Jerome Simpson getting busted for basically a suitcase sized stash of pot, Pacman again and again, Andre Smith having a gun in his carry on bag at the goddamned airport what the christ dude and so on.

To my knowledge the active players in Cinci who have been arrested are:
Pacman, like 20 times
Mixon.
Hill
Andre Smith

You also, of course have players who haven't gotten in trouble with the law but have earned a lovely reputation. Burfict is the big one, but there are a couple of players like Iloka and Pacman that don't help either.



To be clear, the Bengals reputation is fair even if it is inflated. They could have easily mitigated their reputation with a concentrated effort and their image was reforming up until ~2014.

Alaois posted:

I'm not even a real Steelers fan but if they didn't pick James Conner that would have been some fuckin bull poo poo

Eifert Posting posted:

I can't speak for the Raiders but I think for the Bengals it's a result of three factors:

1. It's a mom and pop organization with job security and no knowledge of or care for media perception. The only decision makers who matter are Kate Blackburn, Mike Brown, Marvin Lewis and Duke Tobin. They're all career football people of varying levels of success who could die in their role if they wanted to. If there's a person in the room who gives a poo poo about twitter or ESPN they have zero clout. It shows. They have a weird way of turning into negative press that shows a basic lack of interest in what people think.

In 2014 Marvin called a player a "midget" and dismissed concussions in two separate press conferences, all within a couple of weeks. Can you imagine what would happen to a normal coach if they pulled that poo poo? Gone.

2. Bengals are addicted to players who drop. Free agency and draft bargains are their entire development philosophy.

3. Confirmation bias. The Bengals had a massive issue from roughly 2004 to 2012 where they led the league in arrests. Pacman has more arrests now than the rest of the team collectively.

These #s are out of date, but in 2015 the Bengals were tied for 10th in the league in arrests with ten, largely as a result of the first two years. By contrast, from 2002 to 2016 they are third, with 43 (Broncos and Vikings). I don't think people think of legal issues when they think of the Colts or Buccs or Broncos or Vikings. People didn't say "same old Vikings" when they drafted Dalvin Cook.

The Bengals also have had their arrests in spectacularly stupid fashion. Chris Henry committing violent crimes in his actual game jersey, Jerome Simpson getting busted for basically a suitcase sized stash of pot, Pacman again and again, Andre Smith having a gun in his carry on bag at the goddamned airport what the christ dude and so on.

To my knowledge the active players in Cinci who have been arrested are:
Pacman, like 20 times
Mixon.
Hill
Andre Smith

You also, of course have players who haven't gotten in trouble with the law but have earned a lovely reputation. Burfict is the big one, but there are a couple of players like Iloka and Pacman that don't help either.



To be clear, the Bengals reputation is fair even if it is inflated. They could have easily mitigated their reputation with a concentrated effort and their image was reforming up until ~2014.