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CM Junk posted:The way I see it, it's mind-boggling that the main event, which is supposed to be drawing tickets, merchandise, and PPV buys (which, I recognize, wasn't even the case for a while as the WCW name alone usually sold out arenas), in addition to satiating the paying fans and viewers, was so often stale and poorly worked even during the company's hottest periods. If nothing else, a red-hot midcard would normally tire fans out by the main event, especially on three-hour shows. To pretend that WCW never had any good main-events is to shove your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and chant "LALALALALALALA!" Now you can definitely make the case for bullshit nWo run-ins ruining main-events for a good long while, but I watched plenty of Nitros (All of them until April, 2000, really.) and I saw many, many main-events that were entirely satisfying if not well-worked in the ring. Every week? No. Not even a little. I could say the same thing about RAW, Smackdown and ECW. How often do we see a main-event on Raw that definitively conclude which wrestler is better? Almost never. Von Dozier posted:But nostalgia I like a certain kind of wrestling show that almost none of you like, which would be fine, but that kind of show is produced exactly nowhere at the moment. I was really hoping that Bischoff and Hogan would fire Russo and I could get some of that back, but it didn't happen. TNA is worse than ever. I'm pretty sure Thursday's show is the worst iMPACT! I've seen since the one-hour days on Saturday nights. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jan 28, 2010 |
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What was the wrestling logic behind why Lex Luger's torture rack was so devastating ? It doesn't look painful just kinda annoying. At least Lex's flying forearm finisher in the WWF seemed somewhat more legitimate since they always brought up that stupid steel plate in his forearm.
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Chunky Delight posted:What was the wrestling logic behind why Lex Luger's torture rack was so devastating ? A torture rack done decently can look and be painful; putting that pressure on your head on one end and your leg on the other stretches your back a fair amount. Luger was just more than happy to quarter-rear end it a lot of the time.
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Jan 28, 2010 23:36
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Some loony on Wikipedia has systematically renamed everything "tilt-a-whirl" to "tilt-the-world." Has anyone ever heard the latter from a reliable source, or is he just loving stupid?
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tzirean posted:Some loony on Wikipedia has systematically renamed everything "tilt-a-whirl" to "tilt-the-world." Has anyone ever heard the latter from a reliable source, or is he just loving stupid? Trolling. A tilt-a-whirl is a ride, tilt-the-world is made-up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-A-Whirl Although, I hear that Bazooka Kaboom's new finish is the Tilt-The-World Slam.
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tzirean posted:Some loony on Wikipedia has systematically renamed everything "tilt-a-whirl" to "tilt-the-world." Has anyone ever heard the latter from a reliable source, or is he just loving stupid? To be fair, somebody once went around wikipedia, and changed every reference to prostitution to read "the oldest profession in the world" so sometimes it's awesome.
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Chunky Delight posted:What was the wrestling logic behind why Lex Luger's torture rack was so devastating ?
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So what was the deal behind the British Bull Dog's push in the mid 90s. He seemed to be sort of that era's Batista. Perpetually challenging for titles. Of course he always came up short. Were there ever plans to give him a reign? Was he considered a legit good worker? I remember him only having two signature moves in his repertoire--the delayed vertical suplex and the running power slam.
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Jan 29, 2010 02:32
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iamsosmrt posted:So what was the deal behind the British Bull Dog's push in the mid 90s. He seemed to be sort of that era's Batista. Perpetually challenging for titles. Of course he always came up short. Were there ever plans to give him a reign? Was he considered a legit good worker? he was over.
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Jan 29, 2010 02:50
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Bulldog had a few really good matches. Everyone will say his match with Bret at Summerslam '92, but I think their In Your House match from 1995 (December?) was so much better. If it wasn't for the gently caress that WWF was buried under so much other poo poo, that match probably would get a lot more attention.
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Jan 29, 2010 03:26
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What was the gist of Vince's feud with Zack Gowen?
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Jan 29, 2010 04:22
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Tong Quixote posted:What was the gist of Vince's feud with Zack Gowen? Vince believed Zach didn't deserve to be a wrestler in his company is what I think it was, and I think he was friends with Hogan and Vince was anti-Hogan at that time.
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Jan 29, 2010 04:28
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iamsosmrt posted:So what was the deal behind the British Bull Dog's push in the mid 90s. He seemed to be sort of that era's Batista. Perpetually challenging for titles. Of course he always came up short. Were there ever plans to give him a reign? Was he considered a legit good worker? He really wasn't talented enough to carry the company as WWF champ but between his size and popularity in Europe they could give him the European title and book him in the midcard forever with matches against main event heel. There were never plans to make him WWF champ, but he did hold the Intercontinental championship and the Euro title was his until HBK took it to piss off Bret Hart. Bulldog was a good, not great, worker in the 80s when he was tagging with Dynamite Kid and wasn't as gassed up. Once he came back in the 90s he was just too drugged and bloated to be a good worker and was just a power guy with some charisma, but not main event level.
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WeaselWeaz posted:He really wasn't talented enough to carry the company as WWF champ but between his size and popularity in Europe they could give him the European title and book him in the midcard forever with matches against main event heel. There were never plans to make him WWF champ, but he did hold the Intercontinental championship and the Euro title was his until HBK took it to piss off Bret Hart. Bulldog was a good, not great, worker in the 80s when he was tagging with Dynamite Kid and wasn't as gassed up. Once he came back in the 90s he was just too drugged and bloated to be a good worker and was just a power guy with some charisma, but not main event level. Yeah, you have to consider where his two main wins were. He won a Battle Royal at the Royal Albert Hall and the IC belt at Summerslam. both times in the UK. So it was pandering to the european fans in general, and the UK fans in particular. A funny bit on that Summerslam tape/DVD is when they're filming outside for crowd reactions and a little kid goes "The British Bulldog is going to win weither he wants to or not!" Now that's being a smark without meaning to.
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Hey, remember HBK-Angle's feud back in 05. Angle won at WM, Michaels won at the next PPV, and they had a 30-minute match on a 3-hour RAW that ended in a tie. But I keep reading HBK won a final match. Did anyone see it, and when did it take place?
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oldpainless posted:Hey, remember HBK-Angle's feud back in 05. Angle won at WM, Michaels won at the next PPV, and they had a 30-minute match on a 3-hour RAW that ended in a tie. But I keep reading HBK won a final match. Did anyone see it, and when did it take place? Angle's last match on Raw after he won the World Heavyweight Championship as a surprise entrant in a Smackdown battle royal. HBK beat him after botched interference from Daivari.
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dusty udder smoker posted:he was over. He was bizarre.
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I was just thinking about this the other day- Have they reunited Edge and Christian or even had them in the same ring together since either of them became main eventers? I feel like it's bound to happen sooner or later and once HBK finally retires they'll probably be doing with Edge and Christian what they're doing with DX now.
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LightsGameraAction posted:I was just thinking about this the other day- Have they reunited Edge and Christian or even had them in the same ring together since either of them became main eventers? I believe they bumped into each other backstage and Christian asked what happened to Edge. He used to be cool. I think Edge said something like I'm still cool or that people change...I honestly don't remember if Edge had a comeback for it.
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KungFu Grip posted:I believe they bumped into each other backstage and Christian asked what happened to Edge. He used to be cool. I think Edge said something like I'm still cool or that people change...I honestly don't remember if Edge had a comeback for it. He was gonna be fun again... just as soon as he murders John Cena...
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Thanks. I actually had another question I forgot about- On the Monday Night Wars DVD when they get to the point in time where all the talent WCW wouldn't put over(mysterio, Eddy, Dean, Benoit, Jericho) started leaving for the WWE, they show a clip of Jericho from a Nitro flipping out and screaming "I'VE HAD ENOUGH!" over and over and slamming a chair into one of the ring posts. It looked like he was crying too. Was this an actual freak out he had on TV or was this part of an angle and taken out of context for dramatic purposes in the DVD? Also, what was the original context that triggered him flipping the gently caress out.
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I've only recently started watching (since the week after Bragging Rights, actually), and with the Royal Rumble coming up I'm watching some previous ones. Watching 1998; what happened to the midget division?!? or, converssely; where the hell did this midget division come from?!? Second question; TNA's tagline is 'Cross the line', Smackdown's theme music includes the lyric' Do you rally wanna cross the line?' - coincidence, or one company having a dig at the other? (and if so; which came first?) Third question: when and why did Kane lose the mask and hair?
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LightsGameraAction posted:Thanks. I actually had another question I forgot about- On the Monday Night Wars DVD when they get to the point in time where all the talent WCW wouldn't put over(mysterio, Eddy, Dean, Benoit, Jericho) started leaving for the WWE, they show a clip of Jericho from a Nitro flipping out and screaming "I'VE HAD ENOUGH!" over and over and slamming a chair into one of the ring posts. It looked like he was crying too. It was taken out of context. Jericho turned heel in WCW by having huge temper tantrums every time he lost.
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Kane lost the mask in a "Mask vs. Title" match against Triple H, back in 2003 on a random episode of Raw. The hair was revealed to have been part of the mask when Kane removed it, showing he was bald the whole time.
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KuruMonkey posted:Watching 1998; what happened to the midget division?!? or, converssely; where the hell did this midget division come from?!? Midgets don't draw but Vince fucks around with them from time to time anyways as comedy. quote:Third question: when and why did Kane lose the mask and hair? He lost the mask to Triple H in 2003 as part of the Triple H is the ruler of the world multi-year mega-push that contributed heavily to declining business. I believe the long hair was revealed as a wig attached to the mask and he shaved what was left of it afterward because a balding monster doesn't really work.
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KuruMonkey posted:Third question: when and why did Kane lose the mask and hair? And to add a little to Psycho Mantits since I already had this typed up. This was during 2003 I think. Basically, when Austin was Co-General manager of RAW he gave Kane the chance to face Triple H for the WHC. The other Co-GM Bischoff said that if Kane loses the match he would be unmasked. Kane accepted and ended up losing thanks to interference and took off his mask. It really needed to be saved for a PPV but whatev.
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Another Kane-related question: When and what was the motivation for Kane being a goofy face? I think it was around the invasion timeline, after he had starting wearing the "half-mask" he wore until he lost his mask. I know a video was posted here recently from when he had a match with Hogan and the Rock where he was imitating them in a promo beforehand and rock looked weirded out.
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LightsGameraAction posted:Another Kane-related question: When and what was the motivation for Kane being a goofy face? I think it was around the invasion timeline, after he had starting wearing the "half-mask" he wore until he lost his mask. I know a video was posted here recently from when he had a match with Hogan and the Rock where he was imitating them in a promo beforehand and rock looked weirded out. He started hanging out with Hurricane and RVD and I think that is pretty much it.
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And didn't he have a strange relationship with Terri Runnels at some point? I remember him kissing her and then yelling "FREAKS RULE!"
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Minidust posted:And didn't he have a strange relationship with Terri Runnels at some point? I remember him kissing her and then yelling "FREAKS RULE!" That was when he was teaming with DX, who at the time was just X-pac and Road Dogg with Terri as their valet. If I remember correctly, it was all a ruse to gently caress with him and all 3 of them turned on him at some point. *EDIT- This is also when they got him to say his first words without the voicebox: "SUUUUUUUUUUCK IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT"
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Minidust posted:And didn't he have a strange relationship with Terri Runnels at some point? I remember him kissing her and then yelling "FREAKS RULE!" I believe that was pretty much the extent of their relationship. Kane and Big Show change personalities so much, its hard to fully commit to whatever they're doing because you just know in a bit they'll be different.
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Capsaicin posted:He was bizarre. Could you elaborate?
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iamsosmrt posted:Could you elaborate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGu4Rs2jfwU
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KungFu Grip posted:I believe they bumped into each other backstage and Christian asked what happened to Edge. He used to be cool. I think Edge said something like I'm still cool or that people change...I honestly don't remember if Edge had a comeback for it. If I recall correctly, that was the night that Cena and Edge had their Last Man Standing match, and after Big Show tossed Cena through the spotlight and people came out to check on him, Christian was out on the stage staring at Edge like he couldn't believe what Edge had become.... he thought that he knew him!
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Who was the guy posing as a cameraman who botched catching Undertaker doing his suicide dive during WrestleMania 25, resulting in Undertaker landing squarely on his head?
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Timby posted:Who was the guy posing as a cameraman who botched catching Undertaker doing his suicide dive during WrestleMania 25, resulting in Undertaker landing squarely on his head? sim snuka
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I would ask why Undertaker isn't cripple or dead after that spot but YOU CAN'T KILL A DEADMAN.
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The Cosby Mysteries posted:I would ask why Undertaker isn't cripple or dead after that spot but YOU CAN'T KILL A DEADMAN. He was pretty clearly out of his gourd immediately after the landing, which I'm guessing is the reason for the five minutes of Michaels farting around, trying to give Undertaker enough time to come to his senses.
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jeffersonlives posted:He lost the mask to Triple H in 2003 as part of the Triple H is the ruler of the world multi-year mega-push that contributed heavily to declining business. I believe the long hair was revealed as a wig attached to the mask and he shaved what was left of it afterward because a balding monster doesn't really work. The idea was that his hair was patchy because of all the scarring from when he was burned as a kid. They had also done a lovely make-up job. This was dropped because the fans poo poo on it to the point that even Vince realized it was bad, so they went in another direction. They said that Kane was insane and thought he was scarred when he really wasn't. Then he set JR on fire. LightsGameraAction posted:Another Kane-related question: When and what was the motivation for Kane being a goofy face? I think it was around the invasion timeline, after he had starting wearing the "half-mask" he wore until he lost his mask. I know a video was posted here recently from when he had a match with Hogan and the Rock where he was imitating them in a promo beforehand and rock looked weirded out. They thought Kane as a monster heel was done, which was kind of true, but instead of making him a monster babyface they went too far in the other direction. The standard use of asking "Wouldn't this be funny?" instead of "Wouldn't this draw money? that we see in WWE and TNA. You didn't ask, but the half-mask was pretty much just a way to make it easier for Kane to talk. They had gotten rid of the voicebox gimmick by then, saying he had one implanted in his throat when he was teaming with X-Pac.
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