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I think the savage/mcmahon thing has probably been blown out of proportion. Purely speculation, but I think that the initial conflict was the slim jim thing (because he was one of the first to get outside endorsements without the WWE getting a cut yadda yadda). Vince probably blew his top, savage probably blew up right back, but I think they parted on reasonable terms (my evidence being: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6b8fl_vince-mcmahon-announces-randy-savag If vince was REALLY pissed about savage, he wouldnt have mentioned him on air at all, just pretended that he never existed. Wikipedia says that savages last PPV match was a win over crush, so he wasnt buried on the way out either.) I reckon Vince probably HAS made approaches to Savage now and then and been rebuffed for whatever reasons. Whether its because Savage has decided that hes been wronged, or that he resents being described as a "legend" (I forget who, but there was one former superstar who hated the idea because of its implication that he was old) or (and this is where my guess would be) because Savage just thinks that he is worth more than Vince is willing to pay him.
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SiKboy posted:I reckon Vince probably HAS made approaches to Savage now and then and been rebuffed for whatever reasons. Randy doesn't want to come back while R-Truth is using his gimmick. In all seriousness, about the only way the Slim Jim thing is the sole reason is if Randy is a big enough of a delusional rear end in a top hat that he won't come back without getting a year long world title push or something. While that's not beyond the scope of believability I still feel like Vince would have talked him into something by now. Savage and Warrior are the only two superstars Vince hasn't mended fences with yet, right?
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LightsGameraAction posted:Savage and Warrior are the only two superstars Vince hasn't mended fences with yet, right? -Bruno -Everyone in TNA
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Mar 30, 2010 23:45
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Wasn't it reported that Vince reached out to Warrior this past winter in order to try to get him in the 2010 HOF class? I could be wrong, though.
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Eugene Jerome posted:-Bruno With the maybe-exception of Hardy depending on how his drug trial goes, there's really no telling whether or not Vince will forgive with most of the guys who went straight from WWE to TNA. As for Bischoff/Hogan/Flair, they're probably in hot water with him again now, but he showed willingness to work with them after WCW folded.
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Mar 30, 2010 23:58
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I didn't think Vince took it personally that his former employees tried to make money in other companies. I could see Ric Flair having heat with HBK after Shawn's "I won't disrespect the Undertaker by making a comeback" line, but otherwise going to TNA doesn't seem like it would insult anyone.
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How many people have actually jumped ship to TNA in favor of being in the WWE, instead of just joining TNA when they were out of WWE by other means? Christian off the top of my head is one, maybe Kurt Angle depending on how much the WWE thought he was likely to die in the ring. I don't think Vince would think negatively of any guy who went to TNA to get better or just to get paid while they were split with WWE. Christian's come back to pretty decent success to the WWE and I'd like to think the WWE is going to snatch Elijah Burke back the second he's available.
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Hardy is almost definitely going to be welcomed back into WWE if and when that happens. He's on trial for drugs and still wants to work. I don't care what the dirtsheets say. WWE wouldn't hire him right now no matter what. Hell, I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if Hardy reached out to Vince and McMahon told him, "Why don't you go work for TNA until this all blows over?"
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Beautiful Ninja posted:How many people have actually jumped ship to TNA in favor of being in the WWE, instead of just joining TNA when they were out of WWE by other means? Christian off the top of my head is one, maybe Kurt Angle depending on how much the WWE thought he was likely to die in the ring. Kurt Angle was released because he refused to go into rehab for his drug abuse. TNA scooped him up immediately, he went because they'd hire him without a drug test, not because he favored them.
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LividLiquid posted:Hardy is almost definitely going to be welcomed back into WWE if and when that happens. He's on trial for drugs and still wants to work. I don't care what the dirtsheets say. WWE wouldn't hire him right now no matter what. Hell, I wouldn't be incredibly shocked if Hardy reached out to Vince and McMahon told him, "Why don't you go work for TNA until this all blows over?" Vince McMahon isn't going to tell someone to go work at even a distant #2 when he's just released a DVD of your life story and you were his world champion 6 months before. He's incredibly pissed at Hardy by all accounts. The only time in history this has ever happened is when Ric Flair left in 93, and that was because Vince loves Flair and when Flair originally came in Vince told him if he couldn't use him as a main eventer he could leave. When 93 rolled around Vince wanted a youth movement and told Ric he could take a spot in semi mains putting over young stars and then an office job or go back to WCW.
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MassRayPer posted:Vince McMahon isn't going to tell someone to go work at even a distant #2 when he's just released a DVD of your life story and you were his world champion 6 months before. He's incredibly pissed at Hardy by all accounts.
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projecthalaxy posted:Let's talk about my very favorite kind of moment: the Cavalry Comeback. The Rock coming out and saving Mankind.
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LightsGameraAction posted:With the maybe-exception of Hardy depending on how his drug trial goes, there's really no telling whether or not Vince will forgive with most of the guys who went straight from WWE to TNA. Well, Christian came back to WWE
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ChampRamp posted:Well, Christian came back to WWE Christian worked a date for the WWE he didn't have to, didn't hold them up for money and avoided trashing them after he left. He was pretty much the model employee on his way out.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Christian worked a date for the WWE he didn't have to, didn't hold them up for money and avoided trashing them after he left. He was pretty much the model employee on his way out. Yea, isn't he the only one that didn't really poo poo-talk the WWE when they came over to TNA?
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LightsGameraAction posted:Yea, isn't he the only one that didn't really poo poo-talk the WWE when they came over to TNA?
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LividLiquid posted:He definitely did in his first promo. It was pretty good stuff, too. I doubt Vince cares if you're badmouthing him or his company on-air, in-character. Christian's always been a consummate professional outside the ring, and I don't remember him ever saying anything stronger than a general "I disagreed with their direction for me" in interviews.
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tzirean posted:I doubt Vince cares if you're badmouthing him or his company on-air, in-character. Christian's always been a consummate professional outside the ring, and I don't remember him ever saying anything stronger than a general "I disagreed with their direction for me" in interviews. Exactly, it was his actions while working for them that counted and he didn't drop his quitting in their laps as a bombshell, worked professionally and worked dates outside of his contract just to be on the safe side in case any pre-existing angles worked out needing him (he was one of the options in a Taboo Tuesday match, from memory). That he then showed up on TNA and said,"I came here because I felt I could do better here than in WWE," was hardly burning bridges.
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He said that when he got into wrestling, one company was old, stale, boring and lacking direction. He picked the other one. Now once again there are two wrestling companies. One's old, stale, boring, lacking direction and the other one is TNA. Then he made fun of the Dr. Heiny skit where Vince McMahon pulled things out of JR's rear end. Edit: Just so we're clear, I still agree with you.
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Christian working in TNA probably helped his career more than if he had not. He's literally TNA's only success story.
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Eugene Jerome posted:Christian working in TNA probably helped his career more than if he had not. Vance Archer
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Eugene Jerome posted:Christian working in TNA probably helped his career more than if he had not. Gail Kim.
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The A-Team Van posted:Gail Kim. Seconded, even though she's been mediocre in WWE. She had some great matches with Kong in TNA.
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CVagts posted:Seconded, even though she's been mediocre in WWE. She had some great matches with Kong in TNA. If Gail Kim is mediocre, we need to call up every woman wrestler in FCW
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tzirean posted:I doubt Vince cares if you're badmouthing him or his company on-air, in-character. Christian's always been a consummate professional outside the ring, and I don't remember him ever saying anything stronger than a general "I disagreed with their direction for me" in interviews. Nothing makes Vince happier than seeing a guy who badmouthed him come crawling back to the company.
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Lone Rogue posted:Nothing makes Vince happier than seeing a guy who badmouthed him come crawling back to the company. He didn't come "crawling back" though, he just returned. Seriously, Christian was a textbook example of how to do EVERYTHING right. He left WWE on good terms, did well in TNA, left TNA on good terms, returned to WWE on good terms. Edit: Remember, he left WWE because he was getting road-fatigue and he'd saved enough money that he could afford to spend some quality time with his family. He lived in the same place that TNA is filmed so working for them meant he could go spend two days filming (returning to his house at night) then have the rest of the next two weeks off, and he was getting paid more than you or I probably make combined ON TOP of his WWE savings, not to mention any merchandising sales. He returned to WWE because he enjoys wrestling and obviously felt that he could handle being back on the road again, similar to how Jericho left for a few years and returned after getting over the fatigue of constant travel. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Mar 31, 2010 |
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Save Russian Jews posted:If Gail Kim is mediocre, we need to call up every woman wrestler in FCW Mediocre in comparison to her Kong matches and other TNA work.
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Is there a list of all the MitB Toxx avatars anywhere (I don't want to read through the whole thread)?
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Jerusalem posted:Christian Stuff I loves me some Christian.
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Is it just me or is the current WWE midcard as good as it ever has been? Or should I not get too attached to any of the guys there like Bourne and Ryder because many of them will promptly disappear within the year?
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Kerck Pnameless posted:Is it just me or is the current WWE midcard as good as it ever has been? Or should I not get too attached to any of the guys there like Bourne and Ryder because many of them will promptly disappear within the year? I dunno, Back when WWE was so swollen with talent they had guys like Beniot, Kurt Angle, and Booker T in the mid card was a pretty cool time.
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Kerck Pnameless posted:Is it just me or is the current WWE midcard as good as it ever has been? Or should I not get too attached to any of the guys there like Bourne and Ryder because many of them will promptly disappear within the year? I don't know if the upper midcard is as good as it's ever been but it's BY FAR the deepest quality midcard they've ever had. Morrison, Miz, Kingston, Ryder, Swagger, Rhodes, DiBiase, Kane, Yoshi, Regal, Bourne, Christian, Ziggler, Benjamin, McIntyre, MVP, Mark Henry....hell even Goldust has been pretty good lately (or was until ECW died) Throw in a the NXT guys and I think they're really doing a solid job of prepping for the future of the organization.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I don't know if the upper midcard is as good as it's ever been but it's BY FAR the deepest quality midcard they've ever had. Not bad considering that just over a year ago, people on this board (myself included) were beginning to panic about whether or not WWE had any future main-eventers on their roster considering the increasing age of their current stars. The young guys (for the most part) aren't ready yet but they'll be ready in time for the old-guy's retirement. And that's what's important.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:Not bad considering that just over a year ago, people on this board (myself included) were beginning to panic about whether or not WWE had any future main-eventers on their roster considering the increasing age of their current stars. The young guys (for the most part) aren't ready yet but they'll be ready in time for the old-guy's retirement. And that's what's important. Maybe I'm just reading too far into things, but I think CM Punk's explosion is the reason Vince and creative seem to be a lot more receptive to pushing smaller guys lately. They'll still favor bigger guys like McIntyre, Sheamus and Swagger, but the smaller guys are finally getting their due I think. Nobody would've guessed a year ago that The Miz would be a key piece to the future of the company.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Nobody would've guessed a year ago that The Miz would be a key piece to the future of the company. Seriously. He's constantly improving in the ring and it's clear he's not afraid to bust out new moves to see how they work. His mannerisms and crowd interaction are impeccable. Outside of the ring, he interviews extremely well since he's obviously comfortable in front of the camera. With the right angle, he does have face potential, so long as he keeps his act up and just mocks the heels instead.
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Writer Cath posted:Seriously. He's constantly improving in the ring and it's clear he's not afraid to bust out new moves to see how they work. His mannerisms and crowd interaction are impeccable. Outside of the ring, he interviews extremely well since he's obviously comfortable in front of the camera. The only face turn he'll ever have is a Rock turn where people just start loving him despite acting like a twat.
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I could see the Miz becoming the face in the Daniel Bryan feud by accident. Bryan seems like he could end up being like Rocky Miavia, with his clean-cut "I love spending time with my family and eating veggies" stuff and the crowd might eventually just hate him for it.
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Has there ever been a thread where WH2K has come up with it's own ideas for storylines? Because that would be pretty neat.
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Shitty_Wok posted:Has there ever been a thread where WH2K has come up with it's own ideas for storylines? Because that would be pretty neat.
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Shitty_Wok posted:Has there ever been a thread where WH2K has come up with it's own ideas for storylines? Because that would be pretty neat. yes. it wasn't.
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