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Something I've been wondering: When WWE signed Danielson, they wanted to sign Nigel McGuinness too, but he failed a physical or something and went to TNA. If they signed Nigel, is he getting the push Wade Barrett is getting right now?
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TL posted:Something I've been wondering: No, because Wade was created from DNA taken from Nigel during the testing to create a low cost, loyal, in house product with the same accent. The Universal Superstar project was highly unstable and now he's rebelled 
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Jun 17, 2010 07:37
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Sue Denim posted:Does anyone else just not get the same feeling from modern WWE as they did from the attitude era? I mean obviously they are two totally different era's with totally different tones, but there's something that I can't put my finger on not just from the attitude era but really anything before it that is missing in WWE now. When I watch older wrestling I'm actually engrossed in the story to the point where I can suspend my disbelief but when I watch contemporary WWE programming, the whole time I think of it outside of kayfabe. I just assumed it was because almost everything is entirely scripted.
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Jun 17, 2010 07:41
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MassRayPer posted:No, because Wade was created from DNA taken from Nigel during the testing to create a low cost, loyal, in house product with the same accent. The Universal Superstar project was highly unstable and now he's rebelled They should have learned their lesson when Chris Hero escaped from the Edge Cloning Facility.... 
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Jun 17, 2010 08:03
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rotinaj posted:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sa0r_el-generico-vs-delirious-pt1_extreme And thus, my favorite chant was born: "WRESTLING!" "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 
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Jun 17, 2010 08:27
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TL posted:Something I've been wondering: I hadn't thought about this, but I would say most likely, yes.
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Jun 17, 2010 14:13
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So basically if Nigel had gotten in, and Danielson was still there, WWE would have essentially had an "ROH invasion" equivalent to WCWs "WWF Invasion" in 1996. To bad it didn't work out.
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Jun 17, 2010 15:27
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CapCityGoofBall posted:And thus, my favorite chant was born: "WRESTLING!" And the rebuttal. Generico pleading with the crowd saying quietly "lucha libre" and getting a thunderous CLAP CLAP, CLAPCLAPCLAP!, then beaming to the crowd. And the subsequent "wrestling with the headlock, woooooooooooooooooahhhhhhhhh"
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Jun 17, 2010 15:41
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Jerusalem posted:They should have learned their lesson when Chris Hero escaped from the Chris Jericho Cloning Facility.... Fixed that for ya.
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Jun 17, 2010 16:14
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Iskanderson posted:I blame the transition effects they use between scenes rather than the jump cuts. Back then it was still being produced like a wrestling show, rather than today where it is written mostly by TV writers to be as much like a regular TV show as possible. I've always wandered how wrestling writers worked and whether they have archetypes, formulas and models for writing stories like conventional script writers do, in the way that a writer might have a model for including and structuring story elements like a first, second and third act or an 'a' and a 'b' story for a more conventional writing task. I guess wrestling writers would probably work with models closer to those that a soap opera like Days of Our Life's would use, if they did in fact use them. Anyway, that was a long winded tangent, does anyone know of any books or other sources that has information on this side of wrestling? Also, what was the deal with Test? He just kind of seemed to disappear, when he seemed like someone to had just about everything he needed for a steady rise up the card in the WWE.
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Jun 17, 2010 18:22
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Sue Denim posted:Also, what was the deal with Test? He just kind of seemed to disappear, when he seemed like someone to had just about everything he needed for a steady rise up the card in the WWE. He got roided up all to hell, broke his neck, got fired, then died.
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Jun 17, 2010 18:46
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Sue Denim posted:Also, what was the deal with Test? He just kind of seemed to disappear, when he seemed like someone to had just about everything he needed for a steady rise up the card in the WWE. He got a 30 day suspension for violating the wellness policy and requested his release then went to TNA then retired and then really disappeared
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Jun 17, 2010 18:50
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I realize this is kind of late on the Shamrock discussion, but does anyone else remember when Vince was trying to recruit him for the Corporation, and he said, "Now Ken, you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer...but you are the MOST DANGEROUS ONE." Like what the hell does that even mean? I remember my 11 or 12 year-old mind thinking that maybe the knife had a disease on it, so then maybe Shamrock was contagious or something.
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Jun 17, 2010 20:46
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It means he's dumb, but deadly.
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Jun 17, 2010 20:49
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Captain Magic posted:I realize this is kind of late on the Shamrock discussion, but does anyone else remember when Vince was trying to recruit him for the Corporation, and he said, "Now Ken, you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer...but you are the MOST DANGEROUS ONE." He's dull
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Jun 17, 2010 20:53
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:He's dull No, I got that. But how is a dull knife dangerous?
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Jun 17, 2010 20:55
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Ken Shamrock was dangerous
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Captain Magic posted:No, I got that. But how is a dull knife dangerous? If you get stabbed hope that you get stabbed with a sharp knife because the cut us cleaner. A dull knife requires more force and leaves more damage.
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Jun 17, 2010 20:58
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More people hurt themselves with dull knives than sharp ones because they have to push themselves harder and are more likely to cut their hands with the effort. So what their saying is when using Ken Shamrock to cut bread, he doesn't have alot of sharp edges. ...I think I lost the metaphor.
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Jun 17, 2010 20:58
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Captain Magic posted:No, I got that. But how is a dull knife dangerous? It takes more force to use the knife, so you're going to accidentally cut yourself more often because of that. Also the wound will suck because the knife edge is jagged. E: Beaten twice
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Jun 17, 2010 20:59
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a dull knife can still be pointy. hth
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Pro wrestling isn't filled with many quick thinkers or even literate types. Yet another reason why Danielson needs to come back to the WWE
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Jun 17, 2010 21:07
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Moose Bigelow posted:If you get stabbed hope that you get stabbed with a sharp knife because the cut us cleaner. A dull knife requires more force and leaves more damage. OneThousandMonkeys posted:It takes more force to use the knife, so you're going to accidentally cut yourself more often because of that. Also the wound will suck because the knife edge is jagged. Well that all makes perfect sense. I guess I was getting hung up on the "drawer" aspect. Like, the most dangerous knife in the drawer, to me, is the sharpest one, because that's the one I'm most likely to accidentally cut my hand on when I reach in there for something else. I've clearly over-thought this whole issue. Captain Magic fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jun 17, 2010 |
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Jun 17, 2010 22:42
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Ken Shamrock is not the sharpest knife in the drawer This means he's DUMB Ken Shamrock is the most dangerous knife in the drawer This means NOTHING, it's a play on "The World's Most Dangerous Man" The two assumptions are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
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Jun 17, 2010 22:57
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The most dangerous knife is a spoon because you never expect it.
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Burrito posted:The most dangerous knife is a spoon because you never expect it. ten thousand jobbers, when all you need is shamrock
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Jun 17, 2010 23:10
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Burrito posted:The most dangerous knife is a spoon because you never expect it.
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Jun 17, 2010 23:11
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LividLiquid posted:Because it is dull, you twit. I will hurt more. So then by this logic, Ken Shamrock was actually the most dangerous spatula? It seems like it would hurt a lot to get stabbed to death by a spatula.
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Jun 17, 2010 23:13
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because the knife is wrapped in barbwire
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Jun 17, 2010 23:16
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Maybe there's a dull knife in Vince's drawer that's attached to a gun. That would certainly be more dangerous than a sharp knife.
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Captain Magic posted:So then by this logic, Ken Shamrock was actually the most dangerous spatula? It seems like it would hurt a lot to get stabbed to death by a spatula. Later on, his cousin (played by the bad guy from The Crow) asks him, "Why a spoon, cousin? Why not... an axe or a-" "Because it's dull, you twit. It will hurt more. There. Now that I've explained the joke, I'm going to go kill myself.
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Jun 17, 2010 23:31
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Ken Shamrock is not the sharpest knife in the drawer because the fans demanded it. And then afterwards they said, "Oh no, we never wanted you to be dull! We wanted you to be sharp! No Hall of Fame for Utensils for you!"
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Jun 17, 2010 23:31
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Mega GIRL posted:because the knife is wrapped in barbwire
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LividLiquid posted:Alan Rickman in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves played the Sheriff of Nottingham. I. Had. No. Idea. Holy poo poo 
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LividLiquid posted:Alan Rickman in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves played the Sheriff of Nottingham. He sees Kevin Coster's American-accented Englishman, Robin of Lockley, escaping the castle grounds. He yells, "I'm going to cut your heart out with a spoon!" So what you're saying is that in that movie Alan Rickman should have had the presence of mind to say spatula instead of spoon. I get it now.
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Jun 17, 2010 23:48
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This is the best page since the biblical wrestling federation from a few months ago. Does anyone know which weekly discussion thread that was from.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:This is the best page since the biblical wrestling federation from a few months ago. Does anyone know which weekly discussion thread that was from. That was some of the funniest stuff I've read on here. And I got to watch it unfold live.
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Iskanderson posted:I blame the transition effects they use between scenes rather than the jump cuts. Back then it was still being produced like a wrestling show, rather than today where it is written mostly by TV writers to be as much like a regular TV show as possible. I think it's partially this, and it seems like all the psychology is gone. As in, you'd get a long build-up for feuds, especially when it came to title feuds - just look at matches like Ricky Steamboat/Randy Savage, Hogan/Slaughter, Warrior/Hogan, Jake Roberts/Randy Savage, etc. There was always some sort of backstory that was carried out for several months, with either guy getting some sort of "upper hand" before a sanctioned match was issued. On top of that, I don't think there's enough guys that use psychology like weakening up a certain body part to prepare for a finishing move. You'd always see someone back in the day trying to work on something specific to take out an opponent's game - Savage would try to work on a guy's neck before his elbow. Flair would constantly target the knees before he laid the figure four leglock in. Slaughter would always target someone's back before putting on the camel clutch. On the opposite of the spectrum, you'd see a guy try to take someone down to prevent the finisher - when Flair and Savage fought, Flair took out Savage's knees so he'd be weak when it came to his aerial game (and Flair wasn't really a high flyer, it was a known weakness of his). Or if Hogan wrestled someone, they'd try to take his leg out so he couldn't do the leg drop, or if Jake Roberts wrestled the opponent tried to take out his arm to prevent the DDT. It was more of a thinking man's game, where wrestlers would try to prevent a finishing move, and that made them have to try to figure out a way to put someone away without using their biggest strength. When did you last see someone try to take out Cena's leg or back to keep from getting the AA, or try to take out his arm to prevent the STF? Or have someone take Swagger's leg out so he couldn't lift up for his powerbomb? It doesn't seem like much thought is put into guys finding alternate ways of winning and telling a story rather than spot-spot-spot-finisher-win or spot-spot-DQ/countout, or something equally boring.
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So I dont get to see a lot of indy wrestling apart from random matches I come across while trawling youtube/dailymotion. One guy I would love to see more of is Delirious. Love his promos and general madness. So my question is this, Can any of you fine gents or ladys recommend some of his finer matches and where to get them?
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MrMondayNight posted:So I dont get to see a lot of indy wrestling apart from random matches I come across while trawling youtube/dailymotion. One guy I would love to see more of is Delirious. Love his promos and general madness. So my question is this, Can any of you fine gents or ladys recommend some of his finer matches and where to get them? He has an excellent match with Bryan Danielson at Ring Of Homicide 1, downloadable at ROHwrestling.com for only $10. ROH's website is actually having a Buy 3, get 2 DVDs Free sale right now. Let me compile a delirious-centric list for you  E: You're gonna want: Survival of the Fittest 2006 (Delirious's effort in ROH's Bi-Annual tournament, a must watch for Delirious fans), Fifth Year Festival: Finale (Really fun match with Colt Cabana), Northern Navigation (a fun match with Kenny Omega), Age of Insanity (His heel turn completes and his feud with Rhett Titus is capped off), and Double Feature II (His street fight with Jimmy Jacobs, plus there is some great stuff on this show too besides that
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