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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

TShields posted:

If it's not on paper, how can they prove it? My boss would just say "no, of course we don't do that, that would be illegal!" and they'd be on their merry little way. I mean, it's not like they force you to not take a break, they just let you know it's an option. Daily.

What you need to do is actually report your company to the state. Most likely you can complain anonymously.

If nothing else, it's a great way to vent against a lovely employer.

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ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.

Solkanar512 posted:

What you need to do is actually report your company to the state. Most likely you can complain anonymously.

If the state is anything like the health department, they'll call his manager and go "hey, you didn't tell this guy to work off the clock, right?" and his manager will go "well gee golly heck no thats against the great and wise law I would never do such a thing as a caring, responsible supervisor"

minusX
Jun 16, 2007

Say something hideous and horrible jumps out at you. Something so disgusting that it simply must die.
Ah! Oh!..So tacky! I can't...look...directly at it!

2508084 posted:

If the state is anything like the health department, they'll call his manager and go "hey, you didn't tell this guy to work off the clock, right?" and his manager will go "well gee golly heck no thats against the great and wise law I would never do such a thing as a caring, responsible supervisor"
Doesn't matter, they HAVE to pay you for working off the clock. Doesn't matter if they say don't do it, they will pay you (so you can't sue) and then fire ya.

Invis
Apr 26, 2010
I've just had 5 days off in a row. I'm only contracted to work 9 hours a week and if I work more than 9 hours a week then I get paid 15% extra per hour. When my former store manager was working here, I used to get 20-30 hours per week... now I'm lucky if I get more than 12. Anyway, I'd just returned from my days off and the CSM (Customer Service Manager) brings out the monthly "Employee Coaching Log".

Okay, some things to improve upon, as usual. Knowledge of wine, mystery shops, pressing the right buttons for price overrides (The former CSM trained me incorrectly so I sometimes still screw up). No dramas, right? Apparently not. There was one more major issue. She flipped out at the others during the week because on Saturday night the store was a mess. People pointed the finger at me, saying I wasn't doing anything and that I had to be told what to do. Excuse me? I've been there (nearly) the longest out of everyone, I know what has to be done and I actively seek out things to do if I'm not currently occupied. On top of that, she said that sometimes I "wander around doing nothing". That isn't true. Sure I wander, but I'm looking for things to face, shelves to stock, mess to clean, customers to help, e.t.c. Apparently she wants me to be busy 24/7. I already try to be.

She said that the new store manager is also watching me closely and that I need to "step up" if I wish to get more hours. Oh really? Well, jokes on them, I'm already on unemployment benefits (welfare to you Americans) because I don't work 20+ hours a week. So, the next time my store manager is in (he had ~1 month off when he first arrived and he will spend another week off somewhere this week) I'm going to add my rebuttal and basically give him a "take it or leave it" scenario. He can either up my hours or I'll quit. It will look really bad to higher management because I'm renowned with my (former) store manager that got promoted. Also I heard it costs $2000 to train new employees. Of course, he already hired three new people, but only 1 for register (I'm a cashier).

I've seen many employees leave the company in my time. Maybe 20+? For a store that has about <15 employees, that is a huge amount. I just hope that I'm allowed to quit and still get unemployment benefits.

Also, our stores have a "price beat" policy. We will beat our competitor's price on identical items but there are conditions that go along with it. This lady comes in today and wants me to beat one of our competitors. One of our terms & conditions for our price beating policy state that the competitor's store has to be within a 10KM radius of our store. She wanted me to beat a price for a competitor that was outside of this radius, so I politely told her that it is against our terms & conditions and therefore we would not be price beating it, however our other stores that ARE within that radius would beat it. Her response? "NO YOU HAVE TO BEAT IT" Sorry lady, no I don't. She stormed off in a fury. I told the CSM later on and then get in trouble for it because I should've got a manager straight away. However I didn't have time to.

gently caress retail, get me out of here!

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
I never realized how much working in a unionized grocery store owns until everybody started posting about breaks. Granted, we only get 15 minute breaks on a four hour shift, 20 on a 6 hour shift, and either two 15 minute breaks or one 30 minute break on an eight hour shift, but I've never been discouraging from taking them. Sometimes it'll get interrupted if I'm on break during the evening shifts, because I'm the only person working my department then, but that's it.

I've even been told to take more breaks, because I (and others) often don't take them while working alone at nights. It seems kind of redundant when you work a shift that has frequent slow periods where you barely are working anyway. There's also times I'm so busy I can't take 15 minutes off too, but it's my call to decide I'm too busy for a break and not management's (store managers have better things to do than micromanage the bakery and the department manager would cover for me if it was busy and I took a break, though they only work daytime).

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.
Job hunting makes me realize how much more everybody else on the planet makes than I do. Seriously, some of these jobs seem like the most inane things, and their pay rate is $10-15 an hour. At $9.25, I might as well jump off the loading dock and break my leg just so I get more time to job hunt..

Soysaucebeast
Mar 4, 2008




TShields posted:

Job hunting makes me realize how much more everybody else on the planet makes than I do. Seriously, some of these jobs seem like the most inane things, and their pay rate is $10-15 an hour. At $9.25, I might as well jump off the loading dock and break my leg just so I get more time to job hunt..

Didn't you say you were a manager or something too? Man, I'm a grunt cashier at Walmart and I make close to 11$ an hour.

Also, related to the break/lunch thing. Where I work, you get a 15 minute break every two hours or so and a mandatory 30min lunch (unpaid) for a five and a half to six and a hald hour shift, and a 60min (unpaid) for a seven to nine hour shift. So for a typical nine hour shift: you work two hours, get a paid 15 minute break, work two hours, unpaid lunch, work two hours, break, work two hours, go home. Sometimes stuff gets shifted around due to how busy we are, but that's generally the formula.

Hidohebhi
Nov 19, 2006

"Do you know how hard it was to find 'a bangin' redhead'?"

Soysaucebeast posted:

Also, related to the break/lunch thing. Where I work, you get a 15 minute break every two hours or so and a mandatory 30min lunch (unpaid) for a five and a half to six and a hald hour shift, and a 60min (unpaid) for a seven to nine hour shift. So for a typical nine hour shift: you work two hours, get a paid 15 minute break, work two hours, unpaid lunch, work two hours, break, work two hours, go home. Sometimes stuff gets shifted around due to how busy we are, but that's generally the formula.

When I was working for walgreens (a little over a year ago), our handbook/training said that we were supposed to get two 15 minute paid breaks every 4 hours, and that "lunch" was a 30 minute unpaid break, required anytime you worked a six hour (or more) shift. Much like the majority of posters here, the paid breaks were never taken. I was in the pharmacy, so any chance to get away (even for a bathroom break) was incredibly rare. On the weekends you were lucky to get a lunch break. It's possible that the rules were actually enforced at the front of the store, but in the pharmacy it wasn't happening. Just thinking about this reminds me of all the infections/illnesses that I and the other techs had because it was so hard to get out of that drat place and get a drink/use the facilities. God that job sucked rear end.

copy of a
Mar 13, 2010

by zen death robot

TShields posted:

Job hunting makes me realize how much more everybody else on the planet makes than I do. Seriously, some of these jobs seem like the most inane things, and their pay rate is $10-15 an hour. At $9.25, I might as well jump off the loading dock and break my leg just so I get more time to job hunt..

I thought I was making "a lot", making $9.25/hour. I get paid more than most of the cashiers and baggers there but now I don't feel so good about it.
Actually I never felt good about it in the first place. If it's not a livable wage, it isn't enough.

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.
Today must be "Rejection Day". Three so far, but nothing from the one I was excited about being considered for! We'll see how it goes. I just rounded up 4 new references, so I'm armed and dangerous now...

NarwhalParty
Jul 23, 2010
After a year and a half of working at my current job without any breaks, we're finally forced to take a 30 minute lunch. We're supposed to take two ten minute paid breaks, but "only if someone can cover our station", which means that we don't get it. There's still some days where I feel like I'm about to keel over because I don't have time to take a sip of water.

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.

Soysaucebeast posted:

Didn't you say you were a manager or something too? Man, I'm a grunt cashier at Walmart and I make close to 11$ an hour.


Yep, I'm a supervisor. All the power and responsibilities of an assistant manager at 1/3 of the pay. gently caress my life.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Well after a complete blue balling of being told we were bidding for a contract in Hawaii, then decided against it cause it would cost to much to pay for traveling; this is the company that flies people to Japan, and recently had me drive to Arizona for 4 days, then had me go back to California while they paid for another coworker to drive up to Arizona from California, including renting her a car instead of just letting me stay in Arizona and driving 30 miles to the next hotel. I flooded every retail company I can google with applications. Finally I got a response, Monday I'm getting an interview. Hopefully this company will give me more hours, unlike my current company which gave me one month working last year and so far 8 days working this year.

Another coworker of mine who went to that company said I'll probably not get paid as much per hour, and the per diem is lower but I don't care, as long as I'm getting a solid 40 hours a week at least 3 weeks out of every month.

john ashpool
Jun 29, 2010
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john ashpool fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 19, 2016

Invis
Apr 26, 2010

john ashpool posted:

If you let them know your going to quit, they will try find something, anything, as a reason to fire you so they can let you go 'with cause'.
Thanks for the heads up. I've already told the merchandise manager that I'm looking for another job. He's a good guy though and is going to be my reference for future employers. Also I'm not sure how true your statement is to my store, since heaps of others have quit and not been fired. But I will be cautious around the store manager from now on.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
I got a little bored at work today

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:backtowork: "You should have been working!"

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I took a flight to Leeds-Bradford a few weeks ago with Jet2, and they were handing out surveys before take-off. It always seemed odd to me, since we hadn't actually flown yet.

Ben Davis
Apr 17, 2003

I'm as clumsy as I am beautiful

SpartanIV posted:

I got a little bored at work today

Click here for the full 1536x2048 image.


:backtowork: "You should have been working!"

"You should have written 'Guests!'"

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

Ben Davis posted:

"You should have written 'Guests!'"
a Guest is anyone in the store. A Customer is a Guest who has bought something. Only Customers get surveys :colbert:

sunpocket
Dec 30, 2003

I work mostly jewelry these days (moved up from cashier), which is pretty decent, so my one day a week of cashier is bullshit.
Today I worked register. We do electronic checks so I tell customers that they don't need to write their checks out if I see them starting to, just because I don't want them to waste their time. Most people laugh and thank me for stopping them, because honestly us and Walmart (and maybe Penneys) are probably the only places in town that run electronic checks.
I was probably there for a half hour before I had a customer who when I informed her about our check policy that she SLAMMED her check book down and whipped out her debit card.
I apologized that I thought she was writing a check and she said that it was "Senseless" the way we run checks.
I've heard mass-murder as senseless. Electronic checks? Not loving senseless.

sunpocket fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Feb 27, 2011

Meow Cadet
May 2, 2007


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

sunpocket posted:

I work mostly jewelry these days (moved up from cashier), which is pretty decent, so my one day a week of cashier is bullshit.
Today I worked register. We do electronic checks so I tell customers that they don't need to write their checks out if I see them starting to, just because I don't want them to waste their time. Most people laugh and thank me for stopping them, because honestly us and Walmart (and maybe Penneys) are probably the only places in town that run electronic checks.
I was probably there for a half hour before I had a customer who when I informed her about our check policy that she SLAMMED her check book down and whipped out her debit card.
I apologized that I thought she was writing a check and she said that it was "Senseless" the way we run checks.
I've heard mass-murder as senseless. Electronic checks? Not loving senseless.

I had a customer tell me he was disappointed that we moved to electronic checks, because now his wife and he would have to boycott our store. And that if he wanted to use his ATM card he would, and not try and use a check instead.

waffle iron
Jan 16, 2004
I'm sorry the Check 21 Act was signed into law in 2003. If people are bummed they can't rely on floating checks they can go to hell. Even before eChecks became common the time from writing a check to debit went from 3-5 days to the next business day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_21_Act

Soysaucebeast
Mar 4, 2008




sunpocket posted:

We do electronic checks so I tell customers that they don't need to write their checks out if I see them starting to, just because I don't want them to waste their time. Most people laugh and thank me for stopping them...

If only. I do the same thing (tell them they don't have to write it out) and almost every single time they respond "Oh. Well, I've already started, I may as well finish." NO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FINISH. RAWR. You're just holding everyone else up and essentially wasting everyone's time, mine included. Just hand me the goddamn check, I don't care if it's got two letters of the date or whatever else you've gotten down. I just need the bank account number and the routing number, The rest of the check could be your kid's first drawing for all I care. Just give me the goddamn check.

Even worse are the people with duplicate checks who insist (because they have to have their carbon copy!) on filling the check out completely, signature and all, instead of just filling out the store name and the actual numbers for what's owed. The signature part cracks me up on that one, because every duplicate slip I've ever seen has a black bar or whatever over that area specifically so the signature doesn't get copied over. So why loving sign it? Because they've already started and may as well finish!

Sorry, that just sets off my cashier rage for some reason.

Dog Blogs Man
Apr 16, 2007

how are you gentlemen i am a god amongst goons
Cheques really bug me. I'm in Australia and they are a lot less common here than they are or ever were in the US. In fact, there is no real reason why anyone who pulls out a chequebook can't just use their bank card. Yet the same week I see the same people get to the end of the line, have $300 worth of groceries scanned, then pull out their book. The sale has to be suspended and taken to the service desk where the last remaining cheque reader stands defiantly, and we have to enter 500 details into the register about their license etc. All the while this is holding up the person serving them from serving other people either at the service desk or 12 items or less lane.
Just get a debit or keycard you useless fucks, this is not the 1990's.
It's not only old people either, there is one smug guy in a suit who makes a big show of pulling it out of his jacket and saying 'I'll be paying by cheque today, thanks'. Nobody cares, its not a sign of prestige, especially since you're not even spending that much.

Robzor McFabulous
Jan 31, 2011
I'm so glad cheques are near enough completely phased out now over here, when it comes to retail anyway. And with internet banking and such, I don't think I've used a cheque for anything for over six years.

There really was nothing worse than telling someone their total, and watching the elderly customer slowly, sloooowly open their bag, lift out a chequebook and then start looking in there for a pen. They don't tell me this, I have plenty of pens here, no no, it must take as long as physically possible. Then I have to keep giving the people waiting in line apologetic looks, can't say anything out loud because the customer would throw a fit.

The end result of course would be a shaky scrawled cheque that I couldn't accept because no human being could possibly read it.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Robzor McFabulous posted:

I'm so glad cheques are near enough completely phased out now over here, when it comes to retail anyway. And with internet banking and such, I don't think I've used a cheque for anything for over six years.

There really was nothing worse than telling someone their total, and watching the elderly customer slowly, sloooowly open their bag, lift out a chequebook and then start looking in there for a pen. They don't tell me this, I have plenty of pens here, no no, it must take as long as physically possible. Then I have to keep giving the people waiting in line apologetic looks, can't say anything out loud because the customer would throw a fit.

The end result of course would be a shaky scrawled cheque that I couldn't accept because no human being could possibly read it.
:byodame:: WHAT DO YOU MEAN you can't read it?!? That's a SEVEN!!!!
:what:: No, that's where the store's name should go.
:byodame:: Well I'm not doing it again so you'd better run it through your system or whatever because I'M LEAVING. <stomps toward the door>

This was at the store which accepted nearly any check. Written in crayon, but has the routing number in the correct 'font'? Here's your purchase!

Nosaj
Apr 30, 2009
Haters Gonna Hate
Man other then paying delivery drivers at work I dont recall the last time Ive seen someone bust out a cheque and try to pay with it.

anirtak
Apr 5, 2008
I write cheques to my landlord, and I like it when I get rent/bill portions paid to me in cheques as well. It's way easier than doing precise cash transactions in the hundreds of dollars range between individuals. Because I'm a pseudo-superintendent I thus see a bunch of cheques monthly, there's still a use for them.

There is no goddamn reason to use one in a store though, when a debit machine is RIGHT THERE.

Robzor McFabulous
Jan 31, 2011

anirtak posted:

Landlords etc

Your post reminds me of my friend and the last house she shared with Uni mates, their landlord insisted they each gave him twelve cheques, dated the first of each month for a month's rent each. I told her there's no way I'd agree to that, postdating cheques means nothing legally so he could bank them any time he wanted. There was nothing in the contract about it either, so I'd've told him to get stuffed.

P.D.B. Fishsticks
Jun 19, 2010

anirtak posted:

I write cheques to my landlord

Even for rent I can do an ACH transfer from my credit union's website to pay it.

I think I've literally written one check in the last twelve months - and that was sending money to a relative in a birthday card. (Incidentally, that was also the only postage stamp I've used in the last twelve months.) The address printed on my checks is for the place I lived five years ago.

The General
Mar 4, 2007


I was once short for cash, so I wrote a check that was connected to my Visa card for myself. Cashed it at the ATM :haw:

Today at the comic book store, someone wanted to sell some cassette tapes. I told him that the owner is there any other day and he'd have to come back. He wandered around the store and asked me again, and a third time too, like somehow I'd change my mind or something.

TShields
Mar 30, 2007

We can rule them like gods! ...Angry gods.
Good loving lord, I've had them all today. The "the store is a playground for my kids to destroy", the "why do you need my licence for a check", the "ten individual packs should be the same as a carton" (wanted to mix and match cigarette styles within the same brand), the "why do I need a receipt for this $75 return, the other store let's me do it!" gently caress retail.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
So my friend has a friend who runs a retro gaming store. Amazingly business is good. Not good enough to pay my friend when she works there, but enough that after months of working for free, she gets a paying spot. Nice.

So the owner decides they are moving from spot A in the mall to spot B. A few days ago my friend heads in to open the store and finds it robbed. In total, they got over 20K worth of poo poo.

The move must go on, but my friend isn't being paid for her 60 hour workweek, that now includes remodeling the new store, running inventory, and designing the new place with vintage characters and the like.

Now, I'm all for helping friends, but even I would be hard pressed to work fulltime for a friend for no cash. She, however, doesn't have a job (she used to work retail, made pretty good money, and then quit because she didn't like the stress. Understandable, totally. She went into making websites which pays the bills, but now is full time and over working in this game store. No websites for months now.) and has no issue doing the same exact poo poo she used to get paid for, for free.

It just boggles my mind that her paying job, one where she sits at home and does it and says she enjoys it, is coming second fiddle now to working in her friend's store, again, for no pay. Her day starts about 8am, and she gets home about 10pm. Repeat cycle six to seven days a week. And the days she isn't at the store she's looking for contacts for them or doing other work for the store.

For free.

Am I the only one who thinks this is loving insane?

Cowslips Warren fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Feb 28, 2011

Robzor McFabulous
Jan 31, 2011

Cowslips Warren posted:

Am I the only one who thinks this is loving insane?

Surely if she's working for free with no other source of income, there's a time limit on how long she can afford to help her friend out before she needs to find paying work again? She might be a really, really good friend willing to do what she's doing and all but if she's prepared to get into serious financial trouble over it then yeah, that's pretty insane.

seacat
Dec 9, 2006

Cowslips Warren posted:

So my friend has a friend who runs a retro gaming store. Amazingly business is good. Not good enough to pay my friend when she works there, but enough that after months of working for free, she gets a paying spot. Nice.

So the owner decides they are moving from spot A in the mall to spot B. A few days ago my friend heads in to open the store and finds it robbed. In total, they got over 20K worth of poo poo.

The move must go on, but my friend isn't being paid for her 60 hour workweek, that now includes remodeling the new store, running inventory, and designing the new place with vintage characters and the like.

Now, I'm all for helping friends, but even I would be hard pressed to work fulltime for a friend for no cash. She, however, doesn't have a job (she used to work retail, made pretty good money, and then quit because she didn't like the stress. Understandable, totally. She went into making websites which pays the bills, but now is full time and over working in this game store. No websites for months now.) and has no issue doing the same exact poo poo she used to get paid for, for free.

It just boggles my mind that her paying job, one where she sits at home and does it and says she enjoys it, is coming second fiddle now to working in her friend's store, again, for no pay. Her day starts about 8am, and she gets home about 10pm. Repeat cycle six to seven days a week. And the days she isn't at the store she's looking for contacts for them or doing other work for the store.

For free.

Am I the only one who thinks this is loving insane?
I can confirm this is indeed loving insane. If she's going to work retail anyway she should be at least getting paid her 8$/hr or whatever. 8AM-10PM for no pay? It sounds like her "friend" is using her for free labor. She needs to start looking for paying jobs.

three
Aug 9, 2007

i fantasize about ndamukong suh licking my doodoo hole

Cowslips Warren posted:

So my friend has a friend who runs a retro gaming store. Amazingly business is good. Not good enough to pay my friend when she works there, but enough that after months of working for free, she gets a paying spot. Nice.

So the owner decides they are moving from spot A in the mall to spot B. A few days ago my friend heads in to open the store and finds it robbed. In total, they got over 20K worth of poo poo.

The move must go on, but my friend isn't being paid for her 60 hour workweek, that now includes remodeling the new store, running inventory, and designing the new place with vintage characters and the like.

Now, I'm all for helping friends, but even I would be hard pressed to work fulltime for a friend for no cash. She, however, doesn't have a job (she used to work retail, made pretty good money, and then quit because she didn't like the stress. Understandable, totally. She went into making websites which pays the bills, but now is full time and over working in this game store. No websites for months now.) and has no issue doing the same exact poo poo she used to get paid for, for free.

It just boggles my mind that her paying job, one where she sits at home and does it and says she enjoys it, is coming second fiddle now to working in her friend's store, again, for no pay. Her day starts about 8am, and she gets home about 10pm. Repeat cycle six to seven days a week. And the days she isn't at the store she's looking for contacts for them or doing other work for the store.

For free.

Am I the only one who thinks this is loving insane?

Does she have a crush on the other friend?

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I don't think she has a crush on him (or if she does, well, he's gay). But I can't bring this up without sounding like a bitch or rehashing old arguments. When I asked her how she gets to work, since she doesn't drive, well, the owner picks her up and then takes her home at the end of the shift, or she catches the bus. She is adament that this is part of her social life as well, she's friends with all her 'coworkers' and they hang around after work all the time. Trying to explain that she could hang out with other friends if she had her license or even stopped working for weeks at a time is moot point. Hell, she just told me with the new remodel she won't take a day off until it's done. Two to five weeks from now.

froglet
Nov 12, 2009

You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

Cowslips Warren posted:

Friend who works for free.

Couldn't this be construed as some sort of labour violation? Pretty sure if a business owner wants some work done, he has to pay for it.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

froglet posted:

Couldn't this be construed as some sort of labour violation?

Ya like, if she gets injured can't the owner be smacked with a giant lawsuit?

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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

froglet posted:

Couldn't this be construed as some sort of labour violation? Pretty sure if a business owner wants some work done, he has to pay for it.

This. Here in the US this is rather illegal, you aren't allowed to work for free like that.

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