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TShields posted:Goons! I need your help. Here is my dilemma- The job I just interviewed with at The Container Store.. when I put in that application, I still had a job. They did not ask me on the phone if I was still employed, so I didn't offer up the information that I was not. At the interview, it was a group-setting, so they didn't ask any of us individually about our current jobs. So, since I don't have a job now.. what do I do? Do I let them keep thinking I have a job, or do I offer up the information that I'm unemployed? If I'm never asked, do I even say anything about it? The information they have now is current to the time when I sent it in. If anything, it is a lie of omission now, but if nobody has said anything.. Gah, I don't know what the gently caress to do. I mean, my old manager said he would cover for me if anyone called asking about me.. But will they even call my current employer? I didn't lie to get where I was as far as the interview process- they never asked. This all occurred to me tonight. I'm expecting a call from them any day now. What do I do?! You worry a lot. If they ask, say you were laid off. They have no way of knowing that it isn't entirely true; your last workplace probably won't give details even if asked. And you are in no way required to volunteer additional information now. That said--why are you worrying about a place that isn't even hiring?
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A store across the street got scammed, so we all got a memo/email/heads-up on what to look out for, and it's all too funny. At the Togo's (sandwich shop) across the street, they got a phone call from "corporate" asking if they had a new employee, because they had a customer complaint that they were overcharged. The "customer" owed 17.95 but was charged 97.95, so "corporate" instructed the Togo's shop to refund the customer $80, who would be in shortly. Crazily enough, the Togo's crew fell for it, and gave some random person $80. Then they tried it at a coffee shop 2 blocks down, that did not fall for it, and called the police. We all chuckled at the tale, and didn't think that any of us would fall for that cockamamie story, but I guess you never know until it happens to you. I still had to sign off on a training memo that I was aware and would not fall for such a scam.
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Jun 10, 2011 06:49
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Meow Cadet posted:A store across the street got scammed, so we all got a memo/email/heads-up on what to look out for, and it's all too funny. I'm not the only person who wonders if it was actually Togos Corporate and a customer just yelled loudly enough right?
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Jun 10, 2011 07:02
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2508084 posted:I'm not the only person who wonders if it was actually Togos Corporate and a customer just yelled loudly enough right?
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Jun 10, 2011 07:10
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Meow Cadet posted:Would corporate really call a low level employee and tell them to give a cash refund to "someone" that walked in? If I answered the phone, I'd immediately transfer them to my manager, and my manager is awesome (I guess I'm lucky in that respect) and she'd tell them to go to hell. Well, no I'm not saying its likely, but its not beyond the realm of possibility that corporate would do something that stupid. Customers don't lie!  Then again I worked for the place who had a "just refund or replace" policy no matter what they said. One second we hosed up Mr. Customers chicken sandwich, then he changes it to a burger mid-story. Oh sure yeah sorry we hosed up your chicken sandwich that morphed into a burger, heres a new sandwich.e: then they cut hours because food cost was up, sales were down obviously we werent upselling enough!!! I can not tell you how much free food we gave out on graveyard alone.
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Jun 10, 2011 07:18
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Meow Cadet posted:Would corporate really call a low level employee and tell them to give a cash refund to "someone" that walked in? If I answered the phone, I'd immediately transfer them to my manager, and my manager is awesome (I guess I'm lucky in that respect) and she'd tell them to go to hell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_prank_call_scam It gets worse than just giving money away. I remember this SVU episode, mostly because it had Robin Williams in it, and it's so hosed up. Sorry, this just totally reminded me of that whole thing. I'm glad she got at least some compensation for this thing and he got jail time, cause god drat.
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Jun 10, 2011 07:42
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epenthesis posted:You worry a lot. Yeah, I have to worry a lot.. And it's not that they're not hiring, they're not actively hiring. They held the group interview for a reason. They're not desperate for someone, but if they see potential, they'll hire.
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Jun 10, 2011 09:07
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TShields posted:Yeah, I have to worry a lot.. And it's not that they're not hiring, they're not actively hiring. They held the group interview for a reason. They're not desperate for someone, but if they see potential, they'll hire.
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Jun 10, 2011 16:18
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TShields posted:Yeah, I have to worry a lot.. Perhaps, but you'd be better off being more selective about your worries. No, you are not expected to contact every prospective employer and volunteer that you've been fired since you were last in contact with them. The matter will come up later if they move further with you--and yes, maybe it'll be a problem because they prefer employed candidates, but that could be the case anywhere and is just something you'll have to expect. Unemployed people are hired every day, and you'll be one of them sooner or later. I'm glad TCS is looking like such a solid possibility that you're (unnecessarily) fretting over it, at least. Fake edit: I just noticed the language you used, "my old manager said he would cover for me if anyone called asking about me." Are you contemplating lying to them? That's not a great start to a professional relationship.
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Jun 10, 2011 17:38
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poo poo is hitting the fan where I work because we failed an audit miserably. FINALLY store management did some written disciplinary action against my boss and maybe even our two closing guys. I'm sad because I'm part of this department and we as a team suck so much rear end. I'm sad because I'm the assistant and poor conditions in our department reflect against me to some degree. Store management is finally taking some action, but it still pisses me off because it too long to take action. Store management may realize I'm not part of the problem, but the people above their heads don't give two shits. We all suck according to them. Two more weeks until I start putting in monthly transfer requests...
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Jun 10, 2011 18:38
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No, he said that he'd pretend I still worked there if anyone called asking about me. He didn't want to let me go, it was the DM's decision, and the DM is a prick. The manager thinks he's helping me out, but I doubt it will even matter in the long run.
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Jun 10, 2011 21:37
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We caught the guy who's been taking porno magazines into the men's room. So there's that.
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spite house posted:We caught the guy who's been taking porno magazines into the men's room. So there's that. Huraaaay 
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Jun 11, 2011 06:30
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So, yeah, turns out I got a "warning" today. I guess I was pretty spot on with my suspicions. I say "warning" because the store manager tried to explain how it wasn't a "warning" it was just something similar that could lead to suspension and firing but, in actuality, it's a good thing because now I know the issue! (and they have a paper trail for when they fire me.) I'm awful at 3rd shift, so I guess it's time to apply all over again. Edit: Can stores you apply to contact your current employer even if you say no? I'm worried about applying elsewhere only to have them call my manager and he fires me or something. Sankis fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Jun 11, 2011 |
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Jun 11, 2011 11:29
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Stores can contact your current employer. As far as I know, there aren't any laws against that anywhere (although there may well be in your area!), but overall I'd say the risk is low at the pre-interview stages. There's always the possibility that your application will fall into the hands of an abysmally stupid person, or that your resume ends up with a person who has connections with your current employer. Most people won't even think about contacting employers until they're actually considering hiring you specifically, so you'd normally have the opportunity to bring it up at the interview.
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bombhand posted:Stores can contact your current employer. As far as I know, there aren't any laws against that anywhere (although there may well be in your area!), but overall I'd say the risk is low at the pre-interview stages. There's always the possibility that your application will fall into the hands of an abysmally stupid person, or that your resume ends up with a person who has connections with your current employer. Let me ask you this, though- Assuming that I still had the job, what is stopping someone from calling the manager and asking about my performance and whatever else, then my manager realizing "Oh poo poo, they're trying to hire TShields, but I really need him for that big inventory that's coming up, and I'm about to go on vacation next month so we need another manager for coverage and I don't have time to train anyone new and blah blah blah". So in this hypothetical situation, he lies and says I suck rear end and the only reason I'm not dead in a ditch is because he feels sorry for me or he can't find anyone else or whatever, just so he can keep me around and not have to worry about hiring someone else, all so he doesn't have to go through the hiring process for someone else. Realistically, other than personal honor, what's keeping him from doing that? I'd never find out about it. The conversation would be between the potential employer and the current employer. And you KNOW that there are spiteful piece of poo poo managers out there who would do that. Even then, if they say tons of nice things about you, but for some reason DON'T get whatever job they call about, they might think "Oh, so this son-of-a-bitch wants to leave, eh? What's so bad about working for me? I'll give him a reason to leave!" and starts treating you like poo poo or cutting your hours further or making you scrub bathrooms with your toothbrush or something. THAT'S why I assume that nobody would call a current employer.
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Jun 11, 2011 17:14
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Sankis posted:Edit: Can stores you apply to contact your current employer even if you say no? I'm worried about applying elsewhere only to have them call my manager and he fires me or something. When they ask that question, it's basically as a courtesy to the candidate--if they never asked for permission, they'd still be within their rights to call, and if an idiot in HR were to call when he shouldn't, it's your tough luck. I'd say the odds of it happening are pretty low because most people aren't sociopaths.
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Jun 11, 2011 17:55
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In Ontario Canada, previous employers can't say anything other than "Yes, Person X worked here." I'm guessing lovely employers giving lovely reviews for probably lovely employees was causing some job hunting problems.
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Jun 11, 2011 19:05
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TShields posted:Let me ask you this, though- Assuming that I still had the job, what is stopping someone from calling the manager and asking about my performance and whatever else, then my manager realizing "Oh poo poo, they're trying to hire TShields, but I really need him for that big inventory that's coming up, and I'm about to go on vacation next month so we need another manager for coverage and I don't have time to train anyone new and blah blah blah". So in this hypothetical situation, he lies and says I suck rear end and the only reason I'm not dead in a ditch is because he feels sorry for me or he can't find anyone else or whatever, just so he can keep me around and not have to worry about hiring someone else, all so he doesn't have to go through the hiring process for someone else. Realistically, other than personal honor, what's keeping him from doing that? I'd never find out about it. The conversation would be between the potential employer and the current employer. And you KNOW that there are spiteful piece of poo poo managers out there who would do that. Even then, if they say tons of nice things about you, but for some reason DON'T get whatever job they call about, they might think "Oh, so this son-of-a-bitch wants to leave, eh? What's so bad about working for me? I'll give him a reason to leave!" and starts treating you like poo poo or cutting your hours further or making you scrub bathrooms with your toothbrush or something. THAT'S why I assume that nobody would call a current employer. I'm pretty sure that would be very illegal, but in the land of "at will employment", who knows?
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Jun 11, 2011 19:06
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Meow Cadet posted:A store across the street got scammed, so we all got a memo/email/heads-up on what to look out for, and it's all too funny. "Here's your sandwich sir, that'll be $97.95." "Yeah, sure. Here's $100. Keep the change."
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Jun 11, 2011 19:08
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I'm pretty sure it's meant to be from a credit card transaction. I've had clerks fat-finger the amount into the credit card terminal before, and if I didn't make a habit of reading the charge slips I wouldn't have caught it until later myself.
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Jun 11, 2011 19:19
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That makes sense. Wasn't thinking. I pretty much only my credit card for online stuff. Just didn't think about it 
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Jun 11, 2011 19:31
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On the other side of things, I actually ended up visiting the same 7-11 twice on the same night (once to get some things, second time while I was out with a friend), and the cashier insisted that my original charge didn't go through on the stuff I bought the first time around. I should have told him to gently caress off considering how improbable that sounded, but guess who fell for it and had a double-charge of $10 on their account? 
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Jun 11, 2011 19:45
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The General posted:In Ontario Canada, previous employers can't say anything other than "Yes, Person X worked here." I'm guessing lovely employers giving lovely reviews for probably lovely employees was causing some job hunting problems. It's the same in the UK, as far as I've been told. It's not so much that it's against the law exactly, but employers just won't risk lawsuits by badmouthing former employees, especially when they can't really prove anything. The common thing is that the worst they'll do is confirm that you worked for them, and say that they wouldn't hire you again.
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Jun 11, 2011 19:56
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Pookah posted:I'm pretty sure that would be very illegal, but in the land of "at will employment", who knows? It probably is illegal. How could you possibly get caught? Who is policing this sort of thing?
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TShields posted:It probably is illegal. How could you possibly get caught? Who is policing this sort of thing? Well, there's always the option to sue the crap out of them. I mean, you'd stand a good chance of getting them on Slander, and loss of funds.
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Jun 12, 2011 01:47
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This has probably been asked a dozen times, but when is it ok to do a follow up call after you've submitted an application online?
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Jun 12, 2011 01:58
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TShields posted:It probably is illegal. How could you possibly get caught? Who is policing this sort of thing? Honestly probably not illegal, companies can say whatever they want about you. As long as they don't factually lie (i.e. TShields was late every day and stole merchandise) and instead just say something negative (i.e. TShield is inept and I am glad he is off my team) it is doubtful they are truly breaking any laws. However, in our litigious society, they would be foolish to say this. My brother owns a small company and one of their salesmen was terrible so when his contract ended it was not renewed. A firm he was interviewing with called and my brother wasn't in the office so one of the assistant managers picked up and says "Oh Mr. Bad Salesman? Yeah he was terrible and we let him go because he never came close to meeting his sales goal". Note this is 100% true and it is not like it was an unrealistic goal (every other sales person in the company hit it). Didn't matter, when the guy found out he lawyered up and contacted my brother stating he wanted compensation for the bad reference. My brother had to lawyer up and after some back and forth the salesman finally gave up, still though it was a handful of billable hours to the lawyer he had to hire. Moral of the story, almost all companies will usually only provide three piece of information to anyone inquiring about you 1) length of employment 2) title 3) eligible for re-hire. If you request in writing they might release your final salary as well. Any company that starts getting into your performance is begging to put some of the goons in the Lawyer & Law School Megathread #12: Started Out Barrister, Ended Up Barista thread to work.
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Jun 12, 2011 02:38
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We had a guy years ago pay one of my coworkers for an approximately $100 item with a $100 bill and then neither of them were thinking and they did the same transaction through the debit machine. So basically the guy paid twice. We didn't figure it out until the end of the night when we were over like $96.89 or something and there was one item in particular sold at that value. Unfortunately because it was debit there was no way to get his info, if it was credit we would have just called his cc company and asked them to call him and tell him to get his cash back, so we just sort of hoped he'd realize the mistake and come back so we could give him back his money but he never did.
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bombhand posted:Stores can contact your current employer. As far as I know, there aren't any laws against that anywhere (although there may well be in your area!), but overall I'd say the risk is low at the pre-interview stages. There's always the possibility that your application will fall into the hands of an abysmally stupid person, or that your resume ends up with a person who has connections with your current employer. It's been a bit since I had to fill out a retail application, but I do recall that there was a yes/no check box asking if it was ok to contact your current employer. Just like a current/former employer can be sued for badmouthing you, potential employers open themselves up to some liability if they start calling every applicant's current employer because some managers can be real dicks if they find out you're looking for work elsewhere. You really don't want to cost someone their job, especially if you don't ultimately hire them. quote:Unfortunately because it was debit there was no way to get his info... That...doesn't seem right. There should still be a paper trail going back to the guy's bank.
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TShields posted:No, he said that he'd pretend I still worked there if anyone called asking about me. He didn't want to let me go, it was the DM's decision, and the DM is a prick. The manager thinks he's helping me out, but I doubt it will even matter in the long run. Just say you were laid off and be done with it. poo poo talking former employees when asked "did XX employee work at your store" is so risky very few places will do it. even really retarded managers know what to and what not to gently caress with. As manager I had to ream out my first employee today. I do manager a mall kiosk, and i have 2 employees, small operation. The one employee is a kid, probably 22 (and acts like 17). The kid is a sex addict I swear, every topic is about chicks he is banging, or how he got wasted, etc (he's likely also a horrid binge drinker). Whatever, nice guy otherwise and he can sell pretty well. Dedicated overall too, been with us 1.5 years. I really try to run a loose shop, and overall it works, I only get bitchy when numbers are not getting met. Well, beyond having horrid numbers this month, I get approached by the owner of the cupcake kiosk yesterday morning. Apparently my good ole kid employee has not only been spending a shitload of time at the cupcake kiosk talking to the 17 year old girl that works there, but its been much worse. Mall cameras have them groping each other, going to outside areas for over the 30 minutes, and she said that a good customer of hers said they were making out when she stopped to by for a cupcake  Anyway, I was really pissed, it's just a retarded problem and mistake. So i told the dude to meet me at our main store instead of going right to work, and basically took him down a peg. Didn't yell or scream, but basically said "you screwed up royally, and seriously what were you thinking, and have some class." We aren't paying you to go make out with chicks. Then when he tried to talk, I stopped him, said i wasnt there to listen, just sign the drat paper and go to work. I hate poo poo like that. Spent a crapload of time prepping and thinking it over. I was actually way sterner than i thought i would be, i only wavered once. I'm pretty sure i scared him enough to get him to grow up a bit, which was the main goal. I'm not looking to fire him, he does good work and is really enthusiastic. Just need to tone down the immaturity and get him to grow up a bit. But yeah, my first time being on the other side of the table on that. Very weird. Duckman2008 fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 12, 2011 |
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Duckman2008 posted:But yeah, my first time being on the other side of the table on that. Very weird. It's not like you were doing it to place blame undue on him for something he didn't do, or just because you wanted to exert your authority onto him for no reason other than a twisted sense of satisfaction; he legitimately hosed up and you reprimanded him for it, as the standard should be. If more managers actually acted like this, I doubt we'd even need this thread.
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kazmeyer posted:I'm pretty sure it's meant to be from a credit card transaction. I've had clerks fat-finger the amount into the credit card terminal before, and if I didn't make a habit of reading the charge slips I wouldn't have caught it until later myself. Yeah, I once got charged something like £57.00 instead of £5.70 for a sandwich and drink. Thankfully it was the cashier who noticed, and I got all the money back immediately and ate for free. 
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Duckman2008 posted:Then when he tried to talk, I stopped him, said i wasnt there to listen, just sign the drat paper and go to work. I would have really liked to hear his excuse for that... what could he possibly say to defend himself?!
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Ornamented Death posted:That...doesn't seem right. There should still be a paper trail going back to the guy's bank.
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marshmallard posted:I would have really liked to hear his excuse for that... what could he possibly say to defend himself?!  "But we're in love! We're SOULMATES, you don't understand! I was totally on break all those times how was I supposed to know she was meant to be working?!"Update: All the casual staff at the supermarket I mentioned previously are making a huge joke of being forced to bring in their own pen (pink frilly ones, somebody keeps making jokes about bringing in the pen that he found in his dads garage with a likeness of Mussolini printed on it (I'd love to know where he got the Musso-pen from)  ).One person decided to bring in a comically oversized pen for customers to use. Then when he was told he needed to be more professional at work he told them that they were being unprofessional by forcing a business expense onto the employees and until they discussed this with his union representative he was going to use a pen of his choosing.  That guy's my new hero.Then the union told the store to get stuffed and what they were doing was completely unreasonable and if it was continued they'd be pursuing further action. I think this counts as a happy ending, right? froglet fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jun 12, 2011 |
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HookShot posted:No, we honestly did try. All it had was the first and last 4 digits of the card, and nothing to indicate which bank it was from or anything. At the time we had a really old POS system which didn't have all that much info. Yeah, a lot of times an extremely minimal amount of information is actually exposed on the stores end, theoretically, for security reasons. froglet posted:
Yes. Yes it does. Congrats on a well earned victory.
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miscellaneous14 posted:It's not like you were doing it to place blame undue on him for something he didn't do, or just because you wanted to exert your authority onto him for no reason other than a twisted sense of satisfaction; he legitimately hosed up and you reprimanded him for it, as the standard should be. If more managers actually acted like this, I doubt we'd even need this thread. Oh absolutely, but still weird. Although I felt kind of badass afterwards... marshmallard posted:I would have really liked to hear his excuse for that... what could he possibly say to defend himself?! He tried to make up an excuse that "no it was only one time when she followed me when i was taking out the garbage." I just cut him off, I knew it was BS. He learned from it, I got a big apology text an hour later about how he felt so stupid, would never let a girl get between him and work, etc. So it worked, dude straightened out and is selling again, so I have no complaints.
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I hate how people think they can just screw off whenever they want while on the job when no supervision is around. A few months back when we had our new clerk, the second day I told him to clean the shelves just like how he did it the previous day. I left at my schedule time and he had about 3 full hours to do just that, clean shelves. I come in the next morning and noticed not a single shelf was cleaned and it was painfully obvious. He could tell I was pissed off and was speechless when I confronted him. He couldn't even speak 3 words without stuttering. He learned his lesson good though that day.
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ijii posted:I hate how people think they can just screw off whenever they want while on the job when no supervision is around. A few months back when we had our new clerk, the second day I told him to clean the shelves just like how he did it the previous day. I left at my schedule time and he had about 3 full hours to do just that, clean shelves. Our baggers are notorious for doing this and this is why we never have baggers during the busiest parts of the day and cashiers are forced to bag $300 orders by themselves. The baggers will walk into the break room and gently caress around while on clock and never get an issue, but the second I, a cashier, walk into the bathroom because I've been holding it for an hour, my name is called over the intercom and I'm reprimanded.
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