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i read most of the first dune then moved place and stopped for some reason. Imma gonna get it on my kindle. Also can i get a holla for all my foundation and empire brothers and sisters out there!
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kirk, excellent ST:V posts the second the dominion signed the peace treaty i stopped watching all start treks until jj trek.
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Jun 24, 2011 13:16
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Lyric Proof Vest posted:i read most of the first dune then moved place and stopped for some reason. Imma gonna get it on my kindle. 
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Jun 24, 2011 17:24
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Kirk posted:remember how an entire multi-episode story arc ended with voyager crashing into an almost literal reset button http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBIyGxV7Ek
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Jun 24, 2011 17:38
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Lyric Proof Vest posted:Also can i get a holla for all my foundation and empire brothers and sisters out there! foundation owns foundation and empire owns second foundation owns foundation's edge is not that good foundation and earth and robots and empire were both terrible ideas never read prelude or forward they're ok I guess unless daneel shows up
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Jun 24, 2011 17:47
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i was willing to accept foundation's edge as a decent if not weak ending to foundation and i see no reason to read foundation and earth
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Jun 24, 2011 17:50
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Firefly was a pretty ok series, fanboyed grossly out of proportion to its actual quality.
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Jun 24, 2011 18:56
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Come at me Bro I wouldn't want to stand so close to that guy. LinuxGirl87 posted:Firefly was a pretty ok series, fanboyed grossly out of proportion to its actual quality. Pro-button-click.
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Jun 24, 2011 21:52
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pls dont quote that person i have them on ignore for a reason
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Jun 24, 2011 22:46
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Firefly would have been great if River Tam wasn't in it at all.
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Jun 24, 2011 23:05
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haveblue posted:foundation owns
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HYMEN.SYS posted:Firefly would have been great if River Tam wasn't in it at all. Wisdom.  MY LOLICON FANTASIES
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Jun 25, 2011 15:18
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haveblue posted:foundation owns ugh, I started reading this, got about 1/3 the way in, characters keep popping in every chapter with the time skips and i'm bored to tears with it. i'm basically at where they introduce the space traders before i started reading "Robots of Dawn" which i'm much happier with. should i finish foundation? does it get any better from there and do they actually establish some drat protagonists??
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Jun 25, 2011 19:21
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rotor posted:R. Shagaar Olivaw quoting from the past to appreciate this reference
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Jun 25, 2011 20:08
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Bedshaped posted:ugh, I started reading this, got about 1/3 the way in, characters keep popping in every chapter with the time skips and i'm bored to tears with it. i'm basically at where they introduce the space traders before i started reading "Robots of Dawn" which i'm much happier with. p much the closest that happens to this in the good first trilogy is the second half of foundation and empire and first half of second foundation which is basically a single story and is loving awesome if they ever made a movie out of foundation, that would probably be the best story to mine for it, the rest of the books are just cool speculative fiction about the future of humanity, and i can see why people wouldn't be into that necessarily
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Jun 25, 2011 20:16
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also i just watched through all of andromeda starring kevin sorbo and it is exactly as bad as the fact that you all forgot about it implies yet it somehow made it five seasons
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Forum accident posted:also i just watched through all of andromeda starring kevin sorbo and it is exactly as bad as the fact that you all forgot about it implies Andromeda was a Canada based production in all senses of the words so it got a huge amount of tax breaks and grants from the government that made it almost impossibly cheap to produce. It was classified as Canadian content, which made Global want its dick, and it was cheap which made SciFi want its dick. It lasted for five seasons because it was so impossibly cheap to produce that there was almost no way for it to lose money.
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qirex posted:B5 was the first time on sci-fi TV anyone blew up a whole solar system which was pretty cool for the mid-90s. I think you could do a pretty cool remake with a streamlined plot, maybe 3 seasons. I think at one point they were making filler episodes just to give themselves more rendering time. / 
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Jun 25, 2011 20:38
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uhh they blew up an entire universe in lexx fighting one armed robots lol
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Jun 25, 2011 22:03
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in foundation the stories just keep getting longer and longer as you go on until about 75% of second foundation is one continuous plot also in foundation and empire they drop the whole "hi I'm hari seldon here to debrief you on doing exactly what I predicted you'd do" gimmick in an awesome way
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Jun 26, 2011 17:22
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i thought all that psychic poo poo in the foundation novels was poo poo
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Jun 26, 2011 17:25
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nah the mule was cool
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Amethyst posted:nah the mule was cool nerds in yospos love the bignose, sterile, ugly gimp character who ends up ruling the universe, quelle surprise!
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Jun 26, 2011 17:34
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the psychic poo poo wasn't as cool as the hari seldon poo poo but it was still good writing imho
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Jun 26, 2011 18:41
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finished dune a couple days ago and watched the david lynch movie of it yeah if i hadn't read the book beforehand i woulda been  the whole timeand even then i was doing it for large parts.
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Jun 26, 2011 18:42
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Kirk posted:finished dune a couple days ago and watched the david lynch movie of it it's incredibly boring, and it really doesn't help. dune just may be an unfilmable book, and the lynch film might be as good an effort as possible. it's hard to imagine a better cast.
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i think that if you wanted to sperg out and explain every little detail exactly as it was in the book, then yes it's entirely unfilmable but i can very easily see how you could film a somewhat satisfying dune movie that stayed roughly true to the plot of the book. you just need a decent writer who isn't afraid to break away here and there, and also a director that isn't insane. the narration in the 84 movie was loving awful since it randomly crept back in again and again, often in areas that didn't need explaining.
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Jun 26, 2011 18:55
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FMguru posted:it's hard to imagine a better cast. yeah
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z0ratio fartboner posted:yeah 
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dune is unfilmable today because it's a naked parable of opec rising up and subjugating the west
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haveblue posted:dune is unfilmable today because it's a naked parable of opec rising up and subjugating the west nah
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haveblue posted:dune is unfilmable today because it's a naked parable of opec rising up and subjugating the west lol no
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haveblue posted:dune is unfilmable today because it's a naked parable of opec rising up and subjugating the west bush himself would stop the production
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Kirk posted:barclay owns because he's basically a nerd transplanted from the 20th century and shoved into the 24th he's not just the viewer, he's one of the executive producers. that's right. michael piller, who came on board TNG in season 3, said in an interview that when he came up with barclay he wasn't thinking about the fans at all; he was thinking about himself and how awkward he thought he was. contrast with gene roddenberry who, while senile in his elder years and having a lot of really bad ideas, pulled a hell of a lot of tail
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Amethyst posted:I love David Lynch and Dune but that movie was bad. someone, Lynch or one of the studio execs, was afraid of having the climactic finish of the movie turn into a huge kung-fu action set piece. so they decided to go with a huge ray-gun action set piece instead. keep in mind they were making this in the early 80s and the Star Wars perception of "holy poo poo special effects loving sell movies!!" was still pretty strong. it also massively simplifies the reason for the emperor getting involved. "the atreides are making a new weapon and they might get too powerful. we need to take them out before that happens." i can understand people not liking it. i think it's fun, but that's just me.
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how the represnted shields in the movie was laffo as hell
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Dune isn't completely unfilmable, but to film it in a way that actually captures the thing that made the book so great would be really hard I think. For instance, how do explain why Paul and Jessica fit the fremen religious prophecy? For that one plot point not to come across as a the boring and confusing "paul is literally the messiah", you need to know about a) the bene gesserit's breeding program b) the missionaria protectiva arm of the bene gesserit that plants messanic myths throughout the universe to protect the result of this breeding program. Now, how the poo poo do you film that? Dialogue? Flashback? Subtle insinuation? The first two are terrible, and the third too difficult to get to the audience who haven't read the book. There are a million parts like this. Why is Leto walking straight into an obvious trap? WTF is so great about the melange? Why arn't there any computers or guns? I guess what I'm saying is that without the spergy details, dune isn't a great story.
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Amethyst posted:I guess what I'm saying is that without the spergy details, dune isn't a great story. Does this even mean anything anymore?
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ugh dialouge in a loving movie NO THNAKS ill pass on this one
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Sneaking Mission posted:ugh dialouge in a loving movie NO THNAKS ill pass on this one I think he means blatantly expository dialogue.
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