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I was at the opening show of CWI's East Coast Invasion tour last night, and they have poo poo like X-Pac, Billy Gunn, and Road Dogg using their WWE names, and coming out to their WWE music. How do they get away with this? Are they just small enough to fall under the radar? Does WWE just not care if it's not on TV?
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Aug 19, 2011 12:25
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I think it's just a case of no one knowing about it. I remember reading about a very small indy show that had paid to bring in Harvey Wippleman once. The promotion was using WWE music themes, so Harvey took the money for the appearance, then promptly ratted them out to WWE.
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Aug 19, 2011 12:30
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This wasn't that small a show, though. They are touring all across Canada, and sold out an arena with 1,600 in attendence last night. The Nasty Boys, Brutus Beefcake, Bushwacker Luke, Tatanka, Scott Steiner, X-Pac and The New Age Outlaws all came out to their WWE themes. Like the local media outlets here have been promoting the show for months, and Hulk Hogan is on the next leg of the tour. Kevin Nash pulled from the tour to work for WWE. There's no way WWE doesn't know this is happening. If they don't they're stupid.
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Aug 19, 2011 13:09
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Worst wrestler? Nathan Jones - Here was a dude who had a great look, natural charisma and a great background story (he spent 10 years in jail for armed robbery, where he took up powerlifting and started entering world strongest man competitions.) Unfortunately, he was the drizzling shits in the ring and apparently had no real interest in the business. His first angle when he came in was with the Undertaker, as his disciple. He apparently was so bad in the ring that his big tag match for...I think it was Wrestlemania...had him not participate in it, as Big Show and A Train jumped him backstage. Oh, and apparently he was lactating out of one of his nipples. (  ) He was Australian and his nickname was awesome: The Colossus of Boggo Road. Had he shown any interest he probably could've been a decent midcard guy. Phantasio - Back in the 'everyone has a job' gimmick days of mid 90s WWF. He was a magician who used flash paper and not much else. His finishing move was pulling his opponents underwear out of their tights and then getting a rollup for the win. I think he only had like 1-2 matches. Greg Gagne - Son of Verne. Was being groomed to become heavyweight champion until it was realized he...wasn't very good. So instead of having his son hone his craft off camera or perhaps move him into another area, Verne created the TV Title just for him. Had a ridiculously bad dropkick and is probably the most decorated 'worst wrestler' (ignoring guys like Hogan, who weren't good technical wrestlers, managed to draw.) Tiger Ali Singh - Can't remember much of him. His gimmick was a Million Dollar Man knockoff, including his own manservant, Babu. Dude had ridiculous delusions of grandeur and was pretty lovely in the ring. I think he blamed racism as one of the reasons why he didn't succeed in the WWF. Retired after having a match in the rain and then filed a $7M lawsuit against WWF, claiming religious and ethnic discrimination.
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Aug 19, 2011 13:26
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:This wasn't that small a show, though. They are touring all across Canada, and sold out an arena with 1,600 in attendence last night. [...]There's no way WWE doesn't know this is happening. If they don't they're stupid.
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Aug 19, 2011 15:03
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Perdido posted:Greg Gagne - Son of Verne. Was being groomed to become heavyweight champion until it was realized he...wasn't very good. So instead of having his son hone his craft off camera or perhaps move him into another area, Verne created the TV Title just for him. Had a ridiculously bad dropkick and is probably the most decorated 'worst wrestler' (ignoring guys like Hogan, who weren't good technical wrestlers, managed to draw.) Greg wasn't a bad wrestler, he just got a main event push from his dad and never had the charisma or size to justify it. Besides, Erik Watts' dropkick was much, much worse. Actually, poo poo, Erik Watts is a good contender for worst wrestler ever.
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Aug 19, 2011 15:34
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Perdido posted:Worst wrestler? Jones' big match was Mania, he was supposed to tag with BikerTaker against those two, but it became an impromptu handicap match with a Jones run-in because they knew he sucked so much. Gagne wasn't the worst ever, though, he was just below average. He's not even the worst 'child of a legend' ever. That's either Lacey Von Erich or one of the Flairs. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 19, 2011 |
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Aug 19, 2011 15:36
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David's whole gimmeck was how he was a horrible wrestler and only there due to who his father was. Reid apparently was a good amateur but now likes black tar heroin.
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Aug 19, 2011 16:06
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My favorite Nathan Jones story is that when he decided to quit he didn't tell anyone. He waited until WWE's tour of Australia, flew with everyone, worked, then just didn't fly back to the US. Then he gave notice.
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Aug 19, 2011 16:28
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wow I haven't thought about Erik Watts in probably years. He was actually the first guy I ever saw do the STF. I googled him and just now realized he was one half of Tekno Team 2000 in mid 90s WWF, whose gimmick was that they were kind of futuristic because they wore shiny shirts to the ring. Was there a different team that was supposedly FROM the future?
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Aug 19, 2011 16:40
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Monkeycheese posted:wow I haven't thought about Erik Watts in probably years. He was actually the first guy I ever saw do the STF. I googled him and just now realized he was one half of Tekno Team 2000 in mid 90s WWF, whose gimmick was that they were kind of futuristic because they wore shiny shirts to the ring. There was in WCW. I remember them because they kept calling Dusty Rhodes "President Rhodes". e:http://webhome.idirect.com/~xds/WCWgoofy2.html This has all sorts of awesome poo poo. The team was called the New Breed.
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Aug 19, 2011 16:48
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Gaz-L posted:Jones' big match was Mania, he was supposed to tag with BikerTaker against those two, but it became an impromptu handicap match with a Jones run-in because they knew he sucked so much. Jones was so bad that he basically put this Taker tag match into the opening match of the show. I saw Jones at the fan axxess the day before and remarked to a friend that he'd be gone in a week. Perdido posted:Tiger Ali Singh - Can't remember much of him. His gimmick was a Million Dollar Man knockoff, including his own manservant, Babu. Dude had ridiculous delusions of grandeur and was pretty lovely in the ring. I think he blamed racism as one of the reasons why he didn't succeed in the WWF. Retired after having a match in the rain and then filed a $7M lawsuit against WWF, claiming religious and ethnic discrimination. Singh’s failure was even more pronounced because the class he came out of with the WWF[E] at the time was one of their best ever in the developmental system. I’m trying to remember the entire list but Edge, Christian and Val Venis were on that roster.
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Aug 19, 2011 17:18
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Semiru posted:I can't believe vs Fake Kane isn't on that list for Worst Feud. It didn't last long enough. I remember arguing the Edge feud wasn't the worst feud but it was definitely poo poo. Also Cornette swears that the worst wrestler is Linda Miles and cut one of her matches off of OVW because it was the worst match he'd ever seen.
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Aug 19, 2011 19:02
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The Edge feud was OK, except the face was pretending to murder the heel's father, and the payoff was the heel murdered his own father. Otherwise good stuff! Oh except the ringwork
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Aug 19, 2011 19:05
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Golden Bee posted:The Edge feud was OK, except the face was pretending to murder the heel's father, and the payoff was the heel murdered his own father. Otherwise good stuff!
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Aug 19, 2011 19:31
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Kane and Edge's feud was entertaining as hell.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:04
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Gaz-L posted:So it was OK, except for the story and the wrestling? THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Kane and Edge's feud was entertaining as hell. All of this is somehow true. Kane defies all logic.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:20
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DannoMack posted:All of this is somehow true. Kane defies all logic. Well, yeah. I mean, he voted for Ron Paul, didn't he?
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Aug 19, 2011 20:38
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Gaz-L posted:Gagne wasn't the worst ever, though, he was just below average. He's not even the worst 'child of a legend' ever. That's either Lacey Von Erich or one of the Flairs. What about David Sammartino?
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Aug 19, 2011 21:34
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Tom Magee is probably the worst wrestler ever to get a serious opportunity.
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Aug 20, 2011 04:00
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Gaz-L posted:Gagne wasn't the worst ever, though, he was just below average. He's not even the worst 'child of a legend' ever Didn't he have a decent run in the 80's as part of a tag team in the WWE?
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Aug 20, 2011 04:21
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BigRed0427 posted:Didn't he have a decent run in the 80's as part of a tag team in the WWE? You're thinking of Jim Brunzell (one half of the WWF's Killer Bees), who was partners with Gagne (as The High Flyers) in the AWA. But yeah, the High Flyers has some greats matches, especially against The East-West Connection.
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Aug 20, 2011 14:50
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jeffersonlives posted:Tom Magee is probably the worst wrestler ever to get a serious opportunity. He did probably have the worst puro match I have ever seen, by far.
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Aug 20, 2011 20:58
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:He did probably have the worst puro match I have ever seen, by far. hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXAGZtMxU8
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Aug 20, 2011 21:11
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Lamuella posted:hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport: Yeah, at least there was something real about the Inoki match.
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Aug 20, 2011 21:28
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I think we can at least agree that while Tom Magee was probably a worse wrestler, he was probably a smarter human than The Great Antonio. Simply by virtue of the fact that at no point in his dreadful match did he attempt to shoot on Antonio Inoki.
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Aug 20, 2011 21:38
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Lamuella posted:hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport: I met The Great Antonio in person often when I was a child. When he was homeless 
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Aug 20, 2011 21:42
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When did people start doing "run-ins"? I'm not talking about managerial interference, but a wrestler running in from the back to assist/disqualify.
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Aug 21, 2011 06:37
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:When did people start doing "run-ins"? I'm not talking about managerial interference, but a wrestler running in from the back to assist/disqualify. Not sure, but before the 80s. Bruiser Brody wanted to do a shoot run-in from the crowd and attack Hulk Hogan at the first Wrestlemania. He figured Vince would be embarrassed and forced to pay Brody a ton of money to work for him and job to Hogan.
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Aug 21, 2011 13:52
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Lamuella posted:hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport Speaking of great asskickings, Dirtbike Kid paid the price for pissing off Great Sasuke once...ONCE.
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Aug 21, 2011 16:41
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Psychlone posted:What about David Sammartino? David was really short (like, Rey short) and average but he definitely wasn't the worst of the kids. That would probably goto David Flair. He couldn't do anything particularly well. He couldn't even run the ropes properly when he first started his angle where Ric Flair was getting prelim guys to take the fall against him. Which, by the way, gently caress Ric Flair for ever putting David in such a ridiculous position to fail. He had an alright run with Crowbar and Daffney but to put him in the ring when he couldn't even run the ropes properly was a travesty.
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Aug 21, 2011 16:50
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Lamuella posted:hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport: I have a wrestling question, why aren't all referees exactly like this referee?
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Aug 21, 2011 16:59
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What would you call a valet in lucha libre/Spanish? Would it just be valet? Or do they have their own term for it.
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Aug 21, 2011 19:33
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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:I have a wrestling question, why aren't all referees exactly like this referee? listen, not everyone can carry off white flared jeans and zebra stripes.
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Aug 21, 2011 19:53
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Lamuella posted:hmm... I'd argue that Inoki versus The Great Antonio is worse, although it does include on the the greatest asskickings seen in the sport: Of all the people to no-sell and then shoot..Antonio loving Inoki.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:33
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WeaponX posted:Of all the people to no-sell and then shoot..Antonio loving Inoki. Well Great Antonio was apparently a mentally handicapped person.
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Aug 21, 2011 23:40
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KungFu Grip posted:Well Great Antonio was apparently a mentally handicapped person. He most certainly was after the match
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Aug 22, 2011 01:24
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So were there any non mentally handicapped wrestlers who got a deserved rear end kicking?
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Aug 22, 2011 04:52
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Chunky Delight posted:So were there any non mentally handicapped wrestlers who got a deserved rear end kicking? I can't find any videos, but The Dirtbike Kid is a lovely english wrestler who frequently went into business for himself, doing unplanned high spots without even so much as whispering them to his opponent. In one match, his opponent got so pissed off with his antics, that he waited until Dirtbike Kid went to the top rope, for some completely unplanned twisty flippy poo poo to the outside of the ring, and instead of trying to catch him, completely ignored the spot, and crawled back into the ring as planned, watching Dirtbike Kid fall to the concrete, and legit injuring himself to the point that he was rushed to hospital. In 1:50 in this video, Dirtbike tries the same poo poo on The Great Sasuke. Sasuke was already hugely pissed off at the guy, who had been invited to a prestigious "masked wrestlers" tournament, where the finalists would wager their most prized possession (their masks), for the chance to be crowned the grand champion. Dirtbike kid was booked to job to The Great Sasuke in the opening round, and threw a hissy fit. After his entrance, he unmasked himself in the middle of the ring, completely making GBS threads on the whole concept of the tournament, in the opening match. Dirtbike Kid was told that Sasuke's first spin-kick would be the finisher, but even though Sasuke is shooting on him, he no-sells it, and the referee stops the match to try and avoid Sasuke literally killing the guy. Tyma fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Aug 22, 2011 |
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