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The impression I get is that Mero was world class at contract negotiation, but rarely more than passable in the ring.
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Lamuella posted:The impression I get is that Mero was world class at contract negotiation, but rarely more than passable in the ring. He was a drat good worker in WCW. I'm pretty sure injuries slowed him down and the WWF started focusing on his boxing background, which did no favours for him.
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quote:2. How is Marc Mero generally regarded as a wrestler? I first started watching heavily in '97 after he was already injured and switching into his TKO/heel persona, having fights with Butterbean and getting Sable bombed. I've since gone back and watched earlier WWF and WCW, but I still don't really have an opinion on the guy. Marc Mero is generally considered to be not very good/awful at wrestling depending on who you ask.
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Aug 26, 2011 20:10
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Mero was athletic but not a good wrestler. He was seemingly never trained to wrestle, just work as Johnny B Badd and even in WCW he was average in dthe ring.
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Aug 26, 2011 20:23
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I thought Mero was decent worker until he went with the boxing gimmick which severely limited his move set.
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Aug 26, 2011 20:29
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triplexpac posted:They completely did have screw job main events, yeah. I think the best example is the McMahon / Austin steel cage match, where Paul Wight debuts. It ended in a screwjob and a huge "TUNE INTO RAW TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!" moment, but holy gently caress, did we get our moneys' worth during that match. They gave us everything that we ever wanted, and then when the screwjob finish was tacked on at the end, it actually made the whole thing even more exciting. I wonder how the IWC reacted to it?
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Aug 26, 2011 22:12
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Tyma posted:I think the best example is the McMahon / Austin steel cage match, where Paul Wight debuts. It ended in a screwjob and a huge "TUNE INTO RAW TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS!" moment, but holy gently caress, did we get our moneys' worth during that match. They gave us everything that we ever wanted, and then when the screwjob finish was tacked on at the end, it actually made the whole thing even more exciting. Don't forget that the semi-main of that PPV was the Mankind/Rock Last Man Standing match, which ended in a no-contest. It was a great match, but they gave you a screwy finish and "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT?!"
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Aug 26, 2011 22:20
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Felony posted:I thought Mero was decent worker until he went with the boxing gimmick which severely limited his move set. I thought that was the idea because his knees were shot and he couldn't really do his high flying stuff as much. I liked him more as his boxer gimmick. I HATED the Wildman.
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Aug 26, 2011 22:22
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MisterGBH posted:I thought that was the idea because his knees were shot and he couldn't really do his high flying stuff as much. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hated the Little Richard gimmick.
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Aug 26, 2011 22:52
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Tyma posted:I wonder how the IWC reacted to it? Depends on where in the IWC you went. The place I used to post back then hated hardcore on those finishes, but they also kind of took a, "It's the WWF. It's not like I have high expectations" attitude. They watched WWF solely for entertaining storylines and watched Japan and Mexico for good pro wrestling.
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Aug 27, 2011 04:50
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What is Cody Rhodes's ceiling? He has a great look, has shown ability with vastly different characters and seems (to my untrained eye) to be at least a competent worker. I think he's great (mostly because of his American Psycho impression) but I don't know where he's headed long-term.
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Aug 27, 2011 06:08
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He's doing a lot of good things but I think he would best be suited to a long and successful IC Title run, it's way too early for him to be a main eventer. I see a bright future for him though.
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Aug 27, 2011 06:14
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Jerusalem posted:He's doing a lot of good things but I think he would best be suited to a long and successful IC Title run, it's way too early for him to be a main eventer. I see a bright future for him though. As long as he doesn't blow up like his dad and brother.
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Aug 27, 2011 06:15
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bobkatt013 posted:As long as he doesn't blow up like his dad and brother. Cody going fat would be great. It'd be like Mac from It's Always Sunny.
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Aug 27, 2011 07:20
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He would probably set world records for fastest time to ruined knees/number of knee injuries, given his refusal to wear pads.
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Aug 27, 2011 07:22
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I'm seeing a Daniel Bryan/Cody Rhodes feud that elevates both wrestlers and introduces them to the main card... but, you know, WWE.
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bobkatt013 posted:As long as he doesn't blow up like his dad and brother. I'm just sad we never got a Goldust vs Cody Rhodes match. I seriously was hoping when Cody was going out of his mind that Goldust in a moment of clarity would try and help his brother and just get a good feud out of them. It sounds good in my head as far as a match up goes.
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bobkatt013 posted:As long as he doesn't blow up like his dad and brother. I don't know. Adrian Adonis could still go when he was fat.
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Aug 27, 2011 14:23
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Alexander Hamilton posted:I'm seeing a Daniel Bryan/Cody Rhodes feud that elevates both wrestlers and introduces them to the main card... but, you know, WWE. They tried that feud and it went nowhere. I can't really take Cody seriously while he's acting like Dr. Doom, either. I don't see that "Star" look, like other guys have. Randy Orton had to really work at it, because he was just as skinny as Rhodes was for a long time, too.
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Aug 27, 2011 14:31
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Rusty Shackelford posted:I don't know. Adrian Adonis could still go when he was fat. Adonis was considered one of the better workers of his era, pre-fat.
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Flameingblack posted:They tried that feud and it went nowhere. I can't really take Cody seriously while he's acting like Dr. Doom, either. I don't see that "Star" look, like other guys have. Randy Orton had to really work at it, because he was just as skinny as Rhodes was for a long time, too. Randy also had everyone on the WWE payroll publically heralding him as a future star pretty much right away, even when it was obvious how green he was. Not that I got sick of hearing it or anything.
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After knowing what Hulk Hogan is capable of from his work in Japan, does the IWC gain a bit of respect for his ringwork or hate him more for knowing how to be a good worker and choosing not to? Mark Henry, for example, has gotten a lot of flack throughout his career for questionable ringwork but has improved a great deal over the years and is always trying.
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budreck posted:After knowing what Hulk Hogan is capable of from his work in Japan, does the IWC gain a bit of respect for his ringwork or hate him more for knowing how to be a good worker and choosing not to? The big problem with Hulk Hogan is his back stage stuff and that is where most of the hate comes from. The fact that he is doing the minimal amount of work possible just makes him worse.
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budreck posted:After knowing what Hulk Hogan is capable of from his work in Japan, does the IWC gain a bit of respect for his ringwork or hate him more for knowing how to be a good worker and choosing not to? I have no idea what you are talking about. Hogan was not some magically better worker in Japan. He was working a more demanding style and tried harder facing better wrestlers during his athletic prime. Compare that to to his athletic peak in the WWF where he faced a lot of bad workers and knew he didn't have to try. He always knew how to "work" he just wasn't very good for the most part. In Japan he worked to the best of his abilities and it mostly resulted in decent to good matches, not good to great. As for Mark Henry, he has not improved at all. He's still clumsy as hell, hard to work with and looks horrible taking offense. He's just been booked better in the last two months.
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budreck posted:After knowing what Hulk Hogan is capable of from his work in Japan, does the IWC gain a bit of respect for his ringwork or hate him more for knowing how to be a good worker and choosing not to? I don't know how much of it is him choosing. Vince McMahon seemed to have it ingrained in many of his main eventers not to push themselves too hard or else they would burn out too quick. Hogan hustled when he was an up and coming heel in the WWWF and he also hustled in AWA. It wasn't until he went to the WWF that he became quite formulaic and let the heel do most of the work with punching him as he sloppily sold before his comeback. He then just continued it for the rest of his career, with exception to whenever he had to goto Japan. Hogan vs. Inoki is still one of my favourite puro matches. Maybe it's not that great when compared to other matches but it's a personal favourite. I just imagine if we got that Hulk in the WWF as a heel and someone else like Savage or Piper or Backlund was the babyface, how different things would be.
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MassRayPer posted:looks horrible taking offense. This is something that I remember being a major bone of contention with my friends whenever we had discussions about pro wrestlers. I am by no stretch of the imagination a Mark Henry fan, but how the hell does he get better at selling offense without it looking absolutely ridiculous? I don't buy a man like that trying to sell clotheslines like Rikishi.
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balancedbias posted:This is something that I remember being a major bone of contention with my friends whenever we had discussions about pro wrestlers. I am by no stretch of the imagination a Mark Henry fan, but how the hell does he get better at selling offense without it looking absolutely ridiculous? I don't buy a man like that trying to sell clotheslines like Rikishi. I was always impressed with how well Brock Lesnar could sell, but pissed a guy like Brock Lesnar, who should have been an unstoppable monster, was selling his rear end off. The only time a monster really needs to sell is in the last match of a brutal feud and the babyface is taking it home. Then he can throw in a major sell or two to pop the crowd and make himself look vulnerable.
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The most impressive thing Mark Henry has ever done in a wrestling ring is be F-5'ed by Lesnar.
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balancedbias posted:This is something that I remember being a major bone of contention with my friends whenever we had discussions about pro wrestlers. I am by no stretch of the imagination a Mark Henry fan, but how the hell does he get better at selling offense without it looking absolutely ridiculous? I don't buy a man like that trying to sell clotheslines like Rikishi. It isn't his selling, it is his ability to actually perform moves his opponents do to him.
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I watched the 2001 Royal Rumble last night which got me thinking. How did they go from feuds like Triple H/Angle, Triple H/Austin, Undertaker & Kane teaming to Triple H/Undertaker, Rock/Austin, Kane/Big Show/Raven and Angle/Benoit at WrestleMania X7? Did anything ever come of a Big Show/Rock feud since Big Show put him through the announce table at the rumble after getting eliminated? How did Rock get a title shot at No Way Out and beat Angle? Did the Triple H/Angle feud ever really end? I'm assuming the 3 stages of hell match was the culmination to Austin/Triple H but it seems to me that blow off would've been suited better for WrestleMania. Was it just a case of running out of time and knowing that the money match was Rock/Austin again? Normally feuds start at the Rumble or earlier and WrestleMania is the big payoff for those. Here it seemed rushed or things just got forgot about? Hopefully this makes some sense. Sorry it's lot's of questions and kind of ranty, unfortunately I don't have access to any RAW or Smackdown from this era to answer these myself.
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kinda got me thinking with the mvp streak and also the gay rear end crimson tna winning streak thing is there any legitimate website with won/lost records? i understand that its not a real sport but i would love to see something where we could compare who the wrestler with the highest winning percentage in the last 20 years is
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Swamp Rapist posted:kinda got me thinking with the mvp streak and also the gay rear end crimson tna winning streak thing The Wrestling Accelerator ( http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/index2.html ) keeps count of W/Ls at PPVs to some extent, though they are often a year or more out of date. I think that site is one guy though.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The Wrestling Accelerator ( http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/index2.html ) keeps count of W/Ls at PPVs to some extent, though they are often a year or more out of date. I think that site is one guy though. would love to know overall, i've found ppv stats, but overall would be fantastic. i know theres somebody who spergs over this poo poo that has those numbers but thanks
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Swamp Rapist posted:would love to know overall, i've found ppv stats, but overall would be fantastic. i know theres somebody who spergs over this poo poo that has those numbers This one's got a lot of match history and stuff: http://profightdb.com/ but obviously it's missing really obscure or really old poo poo. I don't think the win-loss records are super accurate, but it should be pretty close.
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in the absence of complete records, as a secondary question, who in the wwe has the best winning percentage in the last 20 years? Cena? who the hell knows?
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this is a question from my 5 year old which im not able to answer so its driving me nuts. he believes w/l records are important
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Last 20 years going by that site looks to be either Ultimate Warrior or Bobby Lashley. Lashley, of course, had many more matches than Warrior in the past 20 years.
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http://profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-highest-wwwf-wwf-wwe-win-percentages.html Warrior
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Lloyd Boner posted:Last 20 years going by that site looks to be either Ultimate Warrior or Bobby Lashley. Lashley, of course, had many more matches than Warrior in the past 20 years. i said 20 to discount warrior... im talking from austin 3:16 onwards
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chazburgr posted:http://profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-highest-wwwf-wwf-wwe-win-percentages.html this is great, thank you
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