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These guys have balls of steel These guys... not so much
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# ? Aug 26, 2011 21:55 |
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Probably didn't want to fly their shiny Gulfstream IV into a hurricane. P-3? Those things are goddamn tanks. Btw, the Orion's are named Kermit and Miss Piggy. Kermit and Miss Piggy: http://i.imgur.com/sg39a.jpg The GFIV: http://i.imgur.com/8CPPm.jpg Cygni fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 26, 2011 |
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Different missions (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Hunters )quote:The Lockheed WP-3D Orion aircraft flown by the NOAA Hurricane Hunters are heavily instrumented flying laboratories specifically modified to take atmospheric and radar measurements within tropical cyclones and winter storms. The WP-3D's service ceiling is 28,000 feet, while The G-IV's is 45,000 feet.
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# ? Aug 26, 2011 23:29 |
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Tide posted:That is incredible. Absolutely incredible. Do we (the US) have anything that can compete with that sort of manueverability? Granted it seemed relatively low speeds and the pilot was probably Russia's absolute best they have and it had no armament (adding weight), but it just seemed so effortless. Pretty sure it doesn't have a radar up front either. So in a "real world" situation I'm not sure how it would compare to an F-15C in maneuverability, but it would probably do better. F-22 is still more maneuverable, however.
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# ? Aug 27, 2011 00:03 |
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Jt8d has a spool up time under 10 seconds or it doesn't pass test cell or fuel control swap. I'll check what cfm56-5a has but I know the pw4168a is also under 10 seconds. Time and temp, and altitude all factor into it. Why do aircraft come in for approach above idle? Unstable approach criteria means engine has to be spooled up slightly else the response time would result in an accident. One of many things flight safety monitors for and reports back to pilots at a major airline.
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# ? Aug 27, 2011 03:18 |
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PatrickBateman posted:Jt8d has a spool up time under 10 seconds or it doesn't pass test cell or fuel control swap. I'll check what cfm56-5a has but I know the pw4168a is also under 10 seconds. Time and temp, and altitude all factor into it. Every time I've come in to FLL from the west (i.e. TPA, SFO, IAH) we've stabilized about fifty miles out, and they still throttle up about five miles off the field (University Drive). On some ATL-FLL and TPA-FLL flights, the pilots basically keep I-75 off the port side of the plane the whole flight. Florida seems like an easy state to fly over.
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# ? Aug 27, 2011 16:40 |
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BonzoESC posted:Every time I've come in to FLL from the west (i.e. TPA, SFO, IAH) we've stabilized about fifty miles out, and they still throttle up about five miles off the field (University Drive). An aircraft isn't on a stabilized approach that far out. For a precision approach like an ILS approach, your goal is to stabilize as soon as possible after capturing the glideslope. Ideally, you've configured the aircraft so that it automatically settles into a stabilized descent right at the moment you capture the glideslope; in reality, however, this isn't all that common. Traffic, winds and other factors can often delay achieving a stabilized approach. As long as you achieve a stabilized approach within the parameters of your company's SOPs (which can differ dramatically from company to company; where I work, it's 1000' AGL for an ILS approach in IMC), there is no issue. On a somewhat related note, while executing a missed approach at ILS minimums, many jet aircraft can actually touch down on the runway briefly before the engines have spooled up enough to produce a positive rate of climb; this is especially true of older aircraft without digital engine control.
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# ? Aug 27, 2011 20:09 |
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I went to the RAFA Shoreham airshow this year. Was a good display as usual, but the day was cloudbound. Here's a few of the better shots. Excuse the mostly grey backgrounds.
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 00:09 |
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Excellent pictures frankenbeans, I particularly like the swordfish. Here's a shot I snapped last night whilst out at the airfield.
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 00:26 |
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Colonel K posted:Excellent pictures frankenbeans, I particularly like the swordfish. Is that a Lightning in the background? And great pictures frankenbeans.
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 00:47 |
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iyaayas01 posted:Is that a Lightning in the background? Good spot, it certainly is.
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 00:56 |
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And a Jet Provost? Vampire? Where is that?
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 16:33 |
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MrChips posted:On a somewhat related note, while executing a missed approach at ILS minimums, many jet aircraft can actually touch down on the runway briefly before the engines have spooled up enough to produce a positive rate of climb; this is especially true of older aircraft without digital engine control. Well, if the wheels touch the runway, it becomes less "missed approach" and more "aborted landing".
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 21:44 |
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frankenbeans posted:I absolutely adore these Silence Twisters. I'd love to own one and it isn't even that unrealistic. The designers said they wanted a Ducati 999 Monoposto (Italian for single seat) of the sky - and if the engine manufacturers numbers are to be trusted it actually gets better fuel mileage than a sport bike.
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monkeytennis posted:And a Jet Provost? Vampire? Where is that? Yes and yes, good spots. Cheating somewhat and looking at the full res picture I think in addition to those you can just about spot the Meteor and the Percival Sea Prince. It is a small aviation museum in cumbria.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 00:18 |
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frankenbeans posted:God almighty that's breathtaking. Are those Hurricanes or Spitfires (or one of each) escorting that Lancaster?
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 04:28 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isP1LVVZ6nU Some great footage of an old Convair-880. The engines are civilian versions of the General Electric J79 used in the F-104, F-4 Phantom, and several other military jet aircraft of the time. That's one smoky takeoff. Love the backdrop of wind turbines, too.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 04:29 |
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BSAKat posted:God almighty that's breathtaking. Are those Hurricanes or Spitfires (or one of each) escorting that Lancaster? Foreground fighter is a Spitfire, background is a Hurricane.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 04:36 |
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Who watched a Dreamlifter take off after touring the Everette plant today? This guy.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 05:58 |
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This is kind of cool. I know there has been a lot of talk about new gen airships being built for heavy lifting, but this one sounds like it might actually happen. http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story/2011/08/26/nwt-discovery-airship.html Agreements signed and deliveries aren't being talked about in the far future, 2014 is pretty close. quote:A British manufacturer will build a fleet of airships for Yellowknife’s Discovery Air to supply remote communities and enterprises in the North, the two companies say.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 19:48 |
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185 km/h is a pretty decent speed. If it was to replace ice trucks it would have to be able to deal with some nasty weather. The speed would help against unfavorable winds en route, but it will probably be very difficult to land. I really like lighter-than-air flying, this guy is absolutely amazing: http://www.clusterballoon.com/ He crossed the English Channel in a lawn chair-like contraption. And a house to 10,500 feet. I want to build a balloon chair some time.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 20:03 |
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Ola posted:I absolutely adore these Silence Twisters. I'd love to own one and it isn't even that unrealistic. The designers said they wanted a Ducati 999 Monoposto (Italian for single seat) of the sky - and if the engine manufacturers numbers are to be trusted it actually gets better fuel mileage than a sport bike. I saw these two at another airshow this year (good show, even greyer, and 95% of my pictures came out poo poo), and remarked that they look like modern spitfires, especialy from above/below. At shoreham, the commentator said they were built by a couple of German guys, and they based it very heavily on the Spitfire. My vindication was palpable. Edit: On the subject of the Eastbourne airshow, I dragged out a couple of shotsthat didn't blow total rear end. The lighting was awful, the distance was about double that of Shoreham, and to cap it all, I had my camera set up wrong. Shutter speed to high on the props, and too low on the jets. Also, I uploaded them at desktop res, so I linked them. Still: P-40 P-40 and F-16 More P-40 and F-16 F-86 Here is the Mustang that lawn darted a few weeks ago. This photo was from Shoreham in '09. Probably the cleanest plane I have ever seen. And yes, the RAFA show is a WWII LARPfest, with a full on simulated Jerry air attack and scrambling of allied forces. It's great. Lastly, as my place backs onto a valley through the south downs, we get a bit of military traffic (apparently one of the best places in this part of the country for low-level flying). Every now and then, this massive fucker turns up and practices hovering/parallel parking/whatever at the football pitch just outside. Chinook I'm sure there's an emoticon for that, but I can't be arsed to find it. frankenbeans fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 29, 2011 |
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Epic Fail Guy posted:Well, if the wheels touch the runway, it becomes less "missed approach" and more "aborted landing". I could sperg out about why touching down in a missed approach isn't an "aborted landing", but I won't. Suffice it to say that once you commence a missed approach, there is no intent to land the aircraft. slidebite posted:This is kind of cool. I know there has been a lot of talk about new gen airships being built for heavy lifting, but this one sounds like it might actually happen. I honestly can't see this happening. Beyond the issues surrounding Discovery Air, there are all kinds of issues, technical and otherwise, that work against airships operating in the environment up north.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 21:29 |
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Boomerjinks posted:Who watched a Dreamlifter take off after touring the Everette plant today? Everett. I live on one of the flight paths to Paine Field and get to see those things pretty often. Haven't caught one taking off yet, though. Did you make you make it up the street to the Flying Heritage Collection? I haven't been yet, but they had free flight days all summer. I was really looking forward to the Sept. 10th one because they apparently have a Mig-29 they were going to show off, but they just mentioned it was going to be a static display rather than a flight demo on facebook There's also a hanger where they are building ME-262's at Paine Field as well. Now if we could only have an actual airshow there again like when I was a kid.
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# ? Aug 31, 2011 21:01 |
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BeastOfExmoor posted:Everett. Fuckin iPad. Nah, but I did get to spend a bunch of time at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field. Got to see one of the red 747 dash 8s blow by, FILLING the loving windows of the cafe. Also, oggled the new P-8 Poseidon and a bunch of Japanese and Turkish AEW aircraft undergoing testing. Also this. Also, I could live very well in Seattle so long as my porch had a view of floatplanes landing all day.
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# ? Aug 31, 2011 23:25 |
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Boomerjinks posted:
Live in Kenmore.
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 04:05 |
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Boomerjinks posted:Also, I could live very well in Seattle so long as my porch had a view of floatplanes landing all day. Some of my friends have an office across the interstate from the big runway at MIA, the one that all the TATL beasts (MD-11, B747, A380) use. I could probably not get work done there.
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 04:59 |
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Holy poo poo the P-8 is a 737 with a BOMB BAY How cool is that poo poo?
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 05:30 |
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For some reason I think military versions of civilian aircraft are cool. I was pretty much when I first found out that the Canadian Forces' A310 derived CC-150 Polaris could actually do air-air tanker duty.
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 05:40 |
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MA-Horus posted:Holy poo poo the P-8 is a 737 with a BOMB BAY AND external hardpoints. A 737 carrying missiles! Someday, they will be pitted in furious battle vs missile carrying L-1011s.
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 06:30 |
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Cygni posted:AND external hardpoints. A 737 carrying missiles! The bomber version of the 737 has been an idea for a long time, and it's a cool concept and a lot cheaper than developing something like a bomber version of the C-17. But as someone who only flies civilian... part of me worries about the 737 becoming a potential warplane. Are those windows real or painted on? Do I get fighter escorts when flying into certain countries, just in case? Do we have to start patrolling 737s flying into American airspace? "I'm just a little lost Southwest plane, nothing to see here..." Not paranoia, not whining, just slightly worried about blurring the lines between civilian and military aircraft, especially given the massive number of countries that have used the 737 for civilian purposes.
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benito posted:The bomber version of the 737 has been an idea for a long time, and it's a cool concept and a lot cheaper than developing something like a bomber version of the C-17. But as someone who only flies civilian... part of me worries about the 737 becoming a potential warplane. Are those windows real or painted on? Do I get fighter escorts when flying into certain countries, just in case? Do we have to start patrolling 737s flying into American airspace? "I'm just a little lost Southwest plane, nothing to see here..." This is nothing new. KAL007 was shot down after the fighter pilot saw the window lights and assumed they were a decoy, so I don't see it making much of a difference if there are military versions or not when poo poo gets real. Privately I agree though. And also the A330MRTT shits all over every other military conversion. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:given that rightfuckingnow you could cut a hole in the bottom of Civilian Airliner X and install a munitions-delivery system i don't see how having it be a factory option is really gonna make a difference not if you want the aircraft to take off again. That's load bearing sheet metal. Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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given that rightfuckingnow you could cut a hole in the bottom of Civilian Airliner X and install a munitions-delivery system i don't see how having it be a factory option is really gonna make a difference you sound pretty paranoid for what it's worth
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 12:16 |
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Wish I could take pictures for you guys. I was on this one a few days ago: India's own P8. It'll be interesting to see where the new 737 MAX will be built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_kKD6g53AA
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 15:27 |
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ack! posted:It'll be interesting to see where the new 737 MAX will be built. I thought the engines stuck out way more forward off the wing than the -NGs did, but they don't: (from about 1:00 in the youtube above) (from http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Boeing-737-832/1972740/L/ ) The scalloping on the engine exhaust is quite cool; the E-170/-190s have had that for a while, and it's quite prominent on the 787 and 747-8. Cocoa Crispies fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Sep 1, 2011 |
# ? Sep 1, 2011 16:08 |
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quote:commercial airliners with missiles what the gently caress is going on in here???
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 19:16 |
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:what the gently caress is going on in here??? Badassery
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 19:24 |
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Captain Postal posted:not if you want the aircraft to take off again. That's load bearing sheet metal. If you wanted to bad enough I am sure you could figure out a way to make it work.
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# ? Sep 1, 2011 20:19 |
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Boomerjinks posted:
I knew a guy who lived on a houseboat on Lake Union just north of downtown. It was literally like living on a runway since float planes would be landing within a 1/4 mile of him all day long. I've lived here my whole life, so it's funny to hear you talk about float planes with such high regard. They are probably the least exciting plane to see to me.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:I knew a guy who lived on a houseboat on Lake Union just north of downtown. It was literally like living on a runway since float planes would be landing within a 1/4 mile of him all day long. I've lived here my whole life, so it's funny to hear you talk about float planes with such high regard. They are probably the least exciting plane to see to me. I live in Colorado. Our largest natural lake is 1 mile long. edit: even though those things don't really relate, my point is that we don't have float planes here, EVER. Also, I have a thing for seaplanes. Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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