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Kirk posted:yeah all the SFX were done on tape and look like poo poo and they're ALL getting redone i would actually pay the ridiculous sums of money they want for star trek blurays if they did this
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amf5 posted:its worse than that i think, poo poo looks hosed up until the 4th season or so yeah they got a new lighting director sometime around season 3 or so and better panavision cameras
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Sep 29, 2011 05:13
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Luigi Thirty posted:yeah they got a new lighting director sometime around season 3 or so and better panavision cameras granted theres a pretty huge gap in time between these its still p. lol   when i was scrubbing through encounter at farpoint for the first screencap i realized the first season was not only dark as poo poo but also really, really red for some reason
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Luigi Thirty posted:there's a big empty gray spot on the CGI voyager in the opening titles because some texture information was lost sending it from lightwave for PC (developed on) to lightwave for amiga (rendered on). berman said they didn't need to re-do it because nobody would notice. voyager.txt yeah but don't you think flaws like this actually add to it, make it more interesting? Steven Speilberg said this in an interview and I agree: quote:Quint: Is there a Jaws Blu-Ray in the works?
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Sep 29, 2011 05:43
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Amethyst posted:yeah but don't you think flaws like this actually add to it, make it more interesting? Steven Speilberg said this in an interview and I agree: i think if they can make the newer effects just look like higher res versions of the old ones (the TNG intro comparison a few pages back is a good example of this) it doesn't really detract too much from the way it was originally presented the TOS remasters are a good example of this too in that everything but the new effects looks great, the CGI enterprise looks terrible even in comparison to the original effects (thankfully they included those on the blu-rays too) i just got done watching the new remaster of empire strikes back actually and the old effects still look really great, and i think the CGI yoda looks enough like the puppet that it's not totally offensive. i also had the misfortune of looking through episode 2 to see what that CGI yoda looked like and it actually looks really horrible in comparison. if george lucas were to completely re-do some effects shots he should redo the new trilogy because that shits not holding up well at all, not to mention that nobody would really give a gently caress since the movies themselves are terrible
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amf5 posted:i think if they can make the newer effects just look like higher res versions of the old ones (the TNG intro comparison a few pages back is a good example of this) it doesn't really detract too much from the way it was originally presented I didn't even know about the TOS remaster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l44Xrsgonw They seem to have drained all of the 1960s bright rainbow spectrum colour from the effects. EDIT: granted I'm probably being unfair since this is some random dude transfering from hi-def to 240p youtube
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Sep 29, 2011 06:27
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Amethyst posted:I didn't even know about the TOS remaster yeah, they drained the color from the effects and injected it into the live-action scen-  (air force uniforms should not be purple) Sniep posted:wait i thought TNG was filmed for TV (As well as animated) and there were no film level processed archives from which to do that with they used 35mm film just like nearly any movie production, and they obsessively archived and cataloged every foot of film they shot. from what i remember reading, the actual act of "okay which pieces of film did they use in this scene" will probably be the easiest part because they wrote it all down as they did it and it's all very carefully filed away. the biggest difficulties will probably be any animated/visual effects that they did directly in video, because those would only be at NTSC resolution. everything else could basically just be scan it in and put it together again, but i imagine that there may be bits where they'll want to touch it up some. i think what's going to be jarring is seeing when they transition to the four-foot enterprise model, because it was meant to show "more detail" on the TV screen than the original ILM six-footer did. but if you look at the high-def capture, that six-footer actually has plenty of detail, it just got lost in low-resolution. the four-footer might be really jarringly over-exaggerated and different now.   Luigi Thirty posted:b5 they lost all the cgi meshes so they'd literally have to re-do every single effects shot from scratch unlike tng where they have all the stock footage and optical effects on film and they just have to re-composite it all ehh by now you'd really want to have new meshes and textures made anyway, the ones they used back then would be pretty low-res by now. i mean yeah it would still look substantially better if it were re-rendered at a higher resolution, but even then it might not be so good as to warrant a BD release.
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Amethyst posted:I didn't even know about the TOS remaster lmao the difference isnt anywhere near as subtle as that makes it look   granted the cgi enterprise is clearer and sharper and whatever but it just looks cartoony and out of place i'm still impressed by the planets and poo poo they made for the original effects shots though, poo poo still looks pretty believable even if it is kinda fuzzy
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Sep 29, 2011 07:46
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I also really like how the star field is colorful in the original, kinda like hubble telescope composites are.
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Sep 29, 2011 07:54
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qirex posted:if any of you saw the "remastered" Red Dwarf you can understand why I'm nervous your post reminded me of the existence of "white dwarf" 
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that awful man posted:your post reminded me of the existence of "white dwarf" what's that? The warhammer magazine?
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Amethyst posted:what's that? The warhammer magazine? the nickname everyone seems to give him once they've seen his penis
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Amethyst posted:what's that? The warhammer magazine? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114926/ a terrible idea for a sci-fi/fantasy series. fox aired the pilot but fortunately didn't end up buying the series and everyone forgot about it yes, i want a tv series about a doctor from new york who does his internship on a planet where the weather is controlled by steampunk machines that are breaking down and nobody knows how to repair them and half the planet is always facing the sun and the other side is always in darkness and there are pinworms from hell that will burrow up through the soles of your feet and kill you unless a doctor puts on magic loving gloves that let his hands move through your body like it's made out of water and pull it out and if the things are allowed to mature they turn into giant monsters that have spit that makes you immortal and gently caress this poo poo forever somebody had the poor taste to put the whole thing up on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgNY7qal_oU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATeBNzK3C4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKDwdWZp6lI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBoNWz_26sw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9HZPJbJzFU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OHylXJraM&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5h1kEoHhQY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Em7sWTzzy0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFzARjSpkBM&feature=related
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qirex posted:if any of you saw the "remastered" Red Dwarf you can understand why I'm nervous I didn't know that it existed until recently but yeah  From this   to this   And loving up the colors with filmizing. 
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Sep 29, 2011 09:39
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The newest back to earth special was embarassingly bad. They should leave Red Dwarf in the early 90s where it belongs.
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Amethyst posted:The newest back to earth special was embarassingly bad. They should leave Red Dwarf in the early 90s where it belongs. It should be left in the late 80's, that's when the only good episodes were made.
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Sep 29, 2011 09:57
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I read and liked the novels way back, before I even saw the show. I wonder if they were actually good?
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Amethyst posted:I didn't even know about the TOS remaster based on the logos on the remaster, it's also from TV, not the discs
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Sep 29, 2011 11:39
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jesus gently caress who cares
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that awful man posted:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114926/ Wow. Holy poo poo, that was so bad it actually made me start using capital letters and punctuation and poo poo.
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Sep 29, 2011 15:53
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God, I remember White Dwarf. There really isn't a plot, it's just "Look at how much crazy stuff we can cram in! Can we have a series?" And Red Dwarf was shaky in the sixth series but it didn't get really bad until Rob Grant left. He said he wanted to be known for more than Red Dwarf, but I'm sure that "Red Dwarf writer" is still going to be in the first line of his obituary.
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why didn't they just make White Dwarf a fantasy instead of scifi? that would at least make it slightly easier to swallow some of the bullshit and ridiculous costume design and anachronisms.
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graph posted:jesus gently caress who cares its u
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Sep 29, 2011 17:12
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inigo monz0rya posted:its u 
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HYMEN.SYS posted:why didn't they just make White Dwarf a fantasy instead of scifi? that would at least make it slightly easier to swallow some of the bullshit and ridiculous costume design and anachronisms. their brains are broken edit: science fantasy = cool like star wars (this was before the special editions/prequels) edit 2:  normally i'd assume it's a different guy with the same name, but the whole thing was so crazy and unlikely to succeed that i can't help but wonder... that awful man fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Sep 29, 2011 |
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Sep 29, 2011 22:36
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alastair reynolds is bad at endings
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yo whoever said that the third fire and ice book was a high point was right but at the same time while poo poo is actually happeneing i can't help feel that even martin was tiring of these plot lines and some of them feel contrived and rushed to closure thus showing his weakness as a writer welp that's my post hope u liked it 
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inigo monz0rya posted:yo whoever said that the third fire and ice book was a high point was right but at the same time while poo poo is actually happeneing i can't help feel that even martin was tiring of these plot lines and some of them feel contrived and rushed to closure book 3 really does pay off all the set up done in books 1 and 2. big important (and mostly tragic) events just keep happening wham wham wham wham one right after another. it's pretty impressive, and it helps push the story past some of martin's flawed writing. the only thing i've read like it was joe abercrombie's "the first law" trilogy, where the third book was just plot twist after plot twist after plot twist - every single one of which had been fairly set up in the first two books. quite an achievement for a first-time author. enjoy it while it lasts - martin's books 4 and 5 are 1900 pages of literally nothing happening.
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are they even worth reading? i just finished book 3 btw
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inigo monz0rya posted:are they even worth reading? the real flaw with books 4 and 5 was that they were never supposed to have been written in the first place - martin was originally going to have five years pass between the end of book 3 and the start of book 4, so the (surviving) young characters from the first series could grow up and be ready to finish the jobs their parents started. but that turned out to be unworkable (every chapter he wrote had to have someone do the whole basil exposition thing of explaining what they'd been up to for the last five years, and it read like poo poo) and he realized he couldn't just skip over five years like he'd hoped, so we get books 4 and 5, which are full of long stretches of not much happening and characters being moved into place for the conclusion of the series). the best thing about them is that they're over and done with and hopefully he can move on to writing the books where his laid-out plot actually happens. in all honesty, they're not too bad as long as understand going in to them that not a lot of import happens in them. most fans's disappointment is from the long delay and the "that's it?!?" reaction when they finally came out.
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inigo monz0rya posted:are they even worth reading? i just finished book 3 btw 5 somewhat, 4 not so much
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i think Martin missed some really good opportunities with his plot lines i don't care about danyreus after book 3, jon snow with the wildlings was interesting but too short, arya with the hound could have been a book by itself, tyrion could have had a better plot, the whole jaime thing felt forced
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tbh i ended book five thinking some of the stories are headed to really interesting places, but there are so many threads going that the progress of any one of them is incredibly slow
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Sep 30, 2011 04:23
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Trig Discipline posted:tbh i ended book five thinking some of the stories are headed to really interesting places, but there are so many threads going that the progress of any one of them is incredibly slow gave up on wheel of time for this reason
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