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mod sassinator posted:So the Camaro ZL1 officially ran the Nurburgring in 7:41.27 which is a few tenths of a second faster than the $120k Corvette ZR1. Granted the track conditions and driver don't make it a fair comparison, but jesus christ you will soon be able to go to a Chevy dealer and exchange about $60k for something that runs the 'ring faster than cars well over 2-3x its price. That time is competitive with a Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, Nissan GT-R, Zonda, etc. and pretty handily beats a lot of other exotics like the Ferrari F430 (10 seconds faster), etc. It's interesting to see how wildly different the times can be when a car is tested by the factory and then by independent magazines. But if you're comparing apples to apples (factory versus factory times) the ZL-1 isn't even in the picture with most of those cars. It also looks like Nissan is upping the GTR's HP to somewhere around 570 for 2013. That's large hp bumps in consecutive years! Tuners have been saying that the GTR's internals are pretty much designed to handle 600 hp easily, so I wonder if there'll be another bump for 2014.
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Fuzzy1 posted:Tuners have been saying that the GTR's internals are pretty much designed to handle 600 hp easily, so I wonder if there'll be another bump for 2014. They must have really fixed the tranny issues. e: some camo shots of the BRZ: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/10/spied-subaru-brz-coupe-shows-its-face.html I want the final thing to avoid looking like either the Genesis coupe or the G37 coupe, which this seems to from under the camo. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 13:47
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Does anyone know if Hyundai has any plans to add their 2.4L 4cyl as an option to the Veloster? I've only bought Chevys so far but I kinda want one. Edit: vv I was hoping for something NA but that'd certainly be worth a look. davebo fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 15:56
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Only things I've seen on the Veloster is that a 200hp-ish turbo is a certainty, and they may be adding a five-door option.
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On the Hyundai speculation note: http://www.autofieldguide.com/blog/post/hyundais-450-hp-lab-rat quote:The Hyundai Genesis’s potential for causing someone to potentially find themselves on the wrong end of a radar gun has been previously noted. We can’t imagine what the special edition prototype Genesis Hurricane SC would do to one’s points standing.
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'the heck is wrong with BMWs design department? They are working hard to make Bangles work look better than ever. d-3er-p. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/14/pics-aplenty-2012-bmw-3-series-w-video/
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Oct 14, 2011 21:41
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I don't hate that as much as I hate the new 1.
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Oct 14, 2011 21:43
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You're crazy, the new F30 looks way better than the E90. Sharper front end, cleaner body lines, and the whole car just looks slimmer and lighter (and is ~90lbs lighter). Still no E46, but I think it's a good evolutionary redesign. Can't wait to see the coupe next year. M-Sport package: 
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Oct 14, 2011 21:44
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Guinness posted:M-Sport package: Ok, I have to admit that it very good in that picture, but that could be the angle. The 1-series-ish fascia with the headlights connected to the kidneys ruins the design for me in almost all other pictures. (and most likely in person too)
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Oct 14, 2011 21:53
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eames posted:'the heck is wrong with BMWs design department? They are working hard to make Bangles work look better than ever. This looks much better than the 5 series. I'm glad BMW chose to make at least one attractive car.
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eames posted:Ok, I have to admit that it very good in that picture, but that could be the angle. Should look better, not worse, in person. Re-posting real life photo from BMW thread to give a better idea of what it might look like to non telephoto eyes: 
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I rather like the front end, even the lights-connected-to-the-kidneys. Edit: ^^^^ Yeah, see, that looks awesome IMO. Compare to the mustache-grille of the early E90 sedans, which still just looks hilariously bad:  The new F30 is a huge improvement. Guinness fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 14, 2011 |
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Oct 14, 2011 21:57
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Cream_Filling posted:On the Hyundai speculation note: Why is autofieldguide so impressed that they supercharged a 3.8l v6 with 306 hp and got 150 more horses. Is that really that amazing... really. Might be nice if they did that on a completely stock engine then offered it as a cheap kit, but they upgraded the fuel pump and fuel injectors. Seems ho-hum to me. A mustang GT is about 100 pounds heavier than a stock genesis v6 coupe and is a far far better starting point. Plus theres about 10 superchargers and turbo chargers out there for someone to buy at this very moment.
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Oct 14, 2011 22:03
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Guinness posted:You're crazy, the new F30 looks way better than the E90. Sharper front end, cleaner body lines, and the whole car just looks slimmer and lighter (and is ~90lbs lighter). Still no E46, but I think it's a good evolutionary redesign. Can't wait to see the coupe next year. Hopefully the coupe will look better as with the E90. I'm guessing no pictures of that around yet?
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The coupe won't probably won't be launching until MY 2013. The coupes (or 4-series, as the case may be this time) typically don't launch for about a year after the sedans, and the convertibles another few months after the coupes. I think the coupe version has the potential to look really great with this generation. The coupes tend to look better than the sedans IMO (especially with the E90/E92s), so here's hoping the trend continues with the new generation. Guinness fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Oct 14, 2011 |
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coolskillrex remix posted:Why is autofieldguide so impressed that they supercharged a 3.8l v6 with 306 hp and got 150 more horses. Is that really that amazing... really. Might be nice if they did that on a completely stock engine then offered it as a cheap kit, but they upgraded the fuel pump and fuel injectors. Seems ho-hum to me. 150 HP with a supercharger pushing a very low amount of boost and a simple modification to increase fuel delivery is pretty impressive. They also noted that increases in boost (and therefore higher horsepower) is going to be simple.
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eames posted:Ok, I have to admit that it very good in that picture, but that could be the angle. I'm with you, I hate the picture that you posted, but the Guinness put up is really nice. It gives the front end a very low-to-the-ground look that we haven't seen recently. The last sedan that I remember pulling off a low front end was the BP Legacies. Cream_Filling posted:On the Hyundai speculation note: I really hope that Hyundai is looking to make a supercharged version of the GC available; and not as a special edition. I love the looks and the handling, but the Mustang GT is still a better car for not very much more. They are doing well enough at the boost game with their smaller engines, I imagine they can build a solid 'charged V6 if they tried.
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coolskillrex remix posted:A mustang GT is about 100 pounds heavier than a stock genesis v6 coupe and is a far far better starting point. Plus theres about 10 superchargers and turbo chargers out there for someone to buy at this very moment. That and Mustang fanboys just can't seem to grasp that not everyone wants a Mustang, for whatever reason.
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14 INCH DICK TURBO posted:That and Mustang fanboys just can't seem to grasp that not everyone wants a Mustang, for whatever reason. I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Since the retrofication they've looked dreadful.
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14 INCH DICK TURBO posted:That and Mustang fanboys just can't seem to grasp that not everyone wants a Mustang, for whatever reason. basically if i said nothing about mustangs you agree that the figures are unimpressive. If im reading it right it seems like magnacharger has no plans to bring the supercharger to the market either. considering theyve brought out stuff to cadillac cts-v, challengers, mustangs, corvettes, even G8s, whats stopping them from selling this supercharger? All i can think is hyundai doesnt want them selling it.
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coolskillrex remix posted:basically if i said nothing about mustangs you agree that the figures are unimpressive. HP to HP it really sounds very similar, V6 to V6 and supercharged V6 to V8. Weight is slightly different but negligible, and like I said some people just flat out don't want a Mustang. The only reason the Mustang 'is a better starting point' is because it's had what, nearly 50 years of being marketed and refined to the Genesis's how many? E: I guess the point I'm trying to make is "get a mustang" is becoming the new "get a Miata," regardless of what the person wants or likes. INCHI DICKARI fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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14 INCH DICK TURBO posted:HP to HP it really sounds very similar, V6 to V6 and supercharged V6 to V8. Weight is slightly different but negligible, and like I said some people just flat out don't want a Mustang. The only reason the Mustang 'is a better starting point' is because it's had what, nearly 50 years of being marketed and refined to the Genesis's how many? What im saying is supercharging a 300hp 3.8L V6 and getting 450hp is not as impressive as the article is making it out to be, regardless of whether or not youre comparing it to a mustang. I would think most 6 cylinder engines making 300hp N/A can do that nowadays, maybe im wrong though. Its especially stupid because apparently it isnt good enough to be brought to the market? I would imagine theres a lot of genesis owners that want to get their hands on this, no? Im all for companies who bring more aftermarket stuff to the table for any car, people should have those types of options available to them
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coolskillrex remix posted:whats stopping them from selling this supercharger? All i can think is hyundai doesnt want them selling it. You can't discount the fact that the GC doesn't really have much of a potential market for big-money engine modifications yet. It has only been out for two model years now and they really haven't moved that many units (a quick search suggests about ~2200/mo combined with the Genesis sedan numbers). When you consider the Mustang is moving 7-9,000 a month, it is fair to say the GC lacks market the necessary market potential right now. Plus, what would Hyundai do to stop them?
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Is this the supercharger that I posted a pic of earlier? If so it's the only application of a Roots type supercharger on a 60* V6 I've ever seen, and it looks like it's going to have some fancy/bulky intake piping too, with the blower mounted off to one side of the engine. That's got to count for uniqueness at least.
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Guinness posted:I rather like the front end, even the lights-connected-to-the-kidneys. Edit: ^^^^ Yeah, see, that looks awesome IMO. Holy poo poo. I hated on it at first but comparing it to the E90, the E90 just looks ridiculously outdated.
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Fuzzy1 posted:It's interesting to see how wildly different the times can be when a car is tested by the factory and then by independent magazines.  "Excuse me, Mr Factory-Test-Driver, but this car won't do 0-60 in your book time" "Sure it will!" *Makes a 1-2 shift without using the clutch or lifting the throttle*
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Guinness posted:You're crazy, the new F30 looks way better than the E90. Sharper front end, cleaner body lines, and the whole car just looks slimmer and lighter (and is ~90lbs lighter). Still no E46, but I think it's a good evolutionary redesign. Can't wait to see the coupe next year. Maybe it's just me, but I'm somewhat bothered by the hood's height being slightly lower than the trunk's. I know this has kind of become inbred in BMW's design language, and maybe it'll look better on the coupe, but from profile it just doesn't look that clean.
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travisray2004 posted:Holy poo poo. I hated on it at first but comparing it to the E90, the E90 just looks ridiculously outdated. What's wrong with it? I, personally, find the E90 to be a really attractive car and not old-looking in the slightest. It looks more conservative than the F30, but so does the E46.
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InitialDave posted:
E:VVVV Technology is cool. I'd love to see what a CVT M3 could do. Lowclock fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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Lowclock posted:*Or just does the test in the quicker automatic instead* Whoa it's 2011 already? Frozenphil? Is that you?
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travisray2004 posted:Holy poo poo. I hated on it at first but comparing it to the E90, the E90 just looks ridiculously outdated.
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Lowclock posted:E:VVVV Technology is cool. I'd love to see what a CVT M3 could do. I understand that in theory an CVT should be optimal, but in the real world has anyone actually produced a car that performs better in its CVT version than with a conventional manual?
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kimbo305 posted:They must have really fixed the tranny issues. really looking forward to this and the FT86 getting their camo off.
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Mr. Pither posted:I think that picture is a pre-facelift E90, though. Personally I'm surprised by how conservative they played the F30. Aside from the front fascia, I have a hard time telling it apart from the current E90. Is the new 3 Coupe also going to get unique sheetmetal from the sedan like last generation? Because the outgoing E92 coupe is in my opinion probably still BMW's best looking car right now.  post-facelift E90  mid-gen facelift E92 Also, from what I've read, despite the clever styling tricks, the new 3 series actually has a taller and longer front end than the outgoing model.
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Cream_Filling posted:Is the new 3 Coupe also going to get unique sheetmetal from the sedan like last generation? Because the outgoing E92 coupe is in my opinion probably still BMW's best looking car right now. Aren't coupe front ends way different though? You posted one sedan and one coupe. Also, I hate the current coupes. To soft and round. To much like a bar of soap.
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Cream_Filling posted:Is the new 3 Coupe also going to get unique sheetmetal from the sedan like last generation? Because the outgoing E92 coupe is in my opinion probably still BMW's best looking car right now. They might call it the 2-series though, which I think enthusiasts would grumble about as another dilution of BMW's branding and history, but if it's a good car then they'll get over it.
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dissss posted:I understand that in theory an CVT should be optimal, but in the real world has anyone actually produced a car that performs better in its CVT version than with a conventional manual? I think CVTs have higher frictional losses than conventional gearboxes, and make up for it by being in the "right" gear vis a vis the engine at all times, which makes them better suited for certain types of vehicles, like Japanese kei cars that otherwise can only fit a 4 speed autos and mostly do city drive cycle(I think they have a clutch that just freewheels when not moving?). For larger cars/engines and highway cruising they aren't very good. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Oct 18, 2011 |
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