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SouthLAnd posted:I am quite a fan of the new Ford Escape. Well,it's a lot better looking than the previous model(models?). IMO Ford has some of the best looking "normal" cars currently in production.
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oRenj9 posted:I'm completely disappointed. I remember hearing a while back that the U.S. was going to get a substantial power increase. I also don't see why such a small engine doesn't have a six-speed gearbox. 170 bhp in a car the size of a tin isn't good enough for you?
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Jesus the Vauxhall VXR8 used to look like a bit of a sleeper, now they've gone and ruined it http://www.autotrader.co.uk/articles/2011/03/cars/vauxhall/vxr8/vauxhall-vxr8-gts-2011-expert-review and im not sure who'd actually buy one with fuel prices pushing £1.40 a litre.... And maybe a Focus RS beater? http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259868/ warcake fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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SouthLAnd posted:I am quite a fan of the new Ford Escape. They ruined it.
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Boiled Water posted:170 bhp in a car the size of a tin isn't good enough for you? Oh god not the "x hp isn’t enough!?" argument again. He’s right about the gearbox. 80-180km/h: 160 hp/ ~1035kg '09 Fiat 500 Abarth EsseEsse: 21.6s 170 hp/ ~1200kg '07 R56 Mini Cooper S: 16.4s source: auto-motor-und-sport.de magazin eames fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Nov 16, 2011 |
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eames posted:Oh god not the "x hp isn’t enough!?" argument again. He’s right about the gearbox. The 500 is significantly smaller than the Mini, the engine compartment in particular. It significantly impacts the size and number of components you can use. The turning radius on the Abarth is already atrocious compared to the standard 500, a larger 6-speed gearbox would give you the turning radius of an F-150.
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Cream_Filling posted:The change to the side profile is atrocious. And the Camaro rear lights don't even make sense to me - why the hell would you want to remind people of your cheaper counterpart? Because the "cheaper counterpart" is a runaway hit and Chevrolet doesn't want to mess with it in the process of introducing a more coherent design language across both of their sporty cars.
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I wonder if the new Escape is still based on the Escort/323.
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I thought the old Escape was based off the 626.
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Boiled Water posted:170 bhp in a car the size of a tin isn't good enough for you? It's fairly slow for a tiny car with that much power.
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PeterWeller posted:I thought the old Escape was based off the 626. Yes, the Ford CD2 platform was based off of the 626 platform.
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It seems Chevy Volts are spontaneously combusting, including one used in NHTSA crash tests that burst into flames three weeks after the crash test. Makes it 4 fires so far attributed to Volts or Volt chargers. Video here, I couldn't find a good text link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...pm_business_vid
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NOTinuyasha posted:They ruined it. Going to agree with you on this, I actually like the way the Escape has looked, a nice boxy mini-SUV, now it just looks like a big dumb car.  Like the original Explorers, SUV genesis. The family that parks next to me has a dark grey one and it looks great.
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NOTinuyasha posted:They ruined it. It was always a heap of poo poo in the first place.
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the new escape is a lot better for its intended purchase segment (my mom) the old one was an unmitigated shitpile by the end of it's life it's almost like keeping a vehicle around without substantial updates for like ten years is a bad idea. at least at the beginning it was marginally competitive.
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Escape sold 20k units/month for the last 2 month, it's their 2nd or 3rd best selling name plate with F-series and Fusion. Who would have thought "Cheap" and "looks/drives like truck" are actually pretty desirable features in America? Even with the $5k on the hood standard they must be printing money with that thing, since all the tooling must have been paid off 8 years ago.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the new escape is a lot better for its intended purchase segment (my mom) Really? My mom has one that's a few years old. I'm not sure how the new one would be any more suitable for her. Like many people, she wants something taller than a car (like a truck) that rides reasonably well, gets reasonably decent fuel mileage, is reasonably quiet and that has room to throw groceries and dogs into. The old one fits that criteria just fine, as will the new model. Other than being horribly boring and mediocre, I don't see how it's such an "unmitigated shitpile." It starts and goes when you turn the key. They don't have particularly different quality/reliability stats from other similar things. For it's price range, that's pretty much what I would expect. Most people don't care all that much past that kind of thing. The Escape was not made for the kind of person who would be posting here. It only makes financial sense to update it when it starts looking tired in comparison to other offerings in its class. It's a Toyota Corolla for a slightly different market segment. Motronic fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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grover posted:It seems Chevy Volts are spontaneously combusting, including one used in NHTSA crash tests that burst into flames three weeks after the crash test. Makes it 4 fires so far attributed to Volts or Volt chargers. The thing I love about this is that the car had been wrecked 3 weeks earlier, and the NHTSA just ignored the huge 435lb Li-Ion battery in the middle of the car. Hell, even GM recommends that the battery be drained after a major collision to avoid fires. The only headline that should come from this story is "NHTSA Retarded: Wrecked cars can (still) catch fire". http://www.green.autoblog.com/2011/11/11/chevy-volt-battery-catches-fire-in-nhtsa-lab/z Completely unrelated, I would drive the new Hyundai Azera any day over a Buick or Avalon. It looks especially good from the side and rear 3/4 view.    3.3L GDI V6, 293hp 255lb-ft, 20/29 EPA rated. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Cream_Filling posted:The change to the side profile is atrocious. And the Camaro rear lights don't even make sense to me - why the hell would you want to remind people of your cheaper counterpart? Especially with that lame-looking trunk spoiler. The round taillights were pretty unique among modern cars, and also gently caress rectangles. The rear quarter panels in general also look more Camaro-y, especially since the 'scooped' rear-end look carried over from the C5 is now replaced by a more conventional box shape. I hope to god that was done for aero reasons, though I sort of doubt it. The best thing about the C7 will be that it will lower prices for used C6 Z06s so I can trade up from my C5Z sooner.
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SouthLAnd posted:I am quite a fan of the new Ford Escape. The new Ford Kia Sportage is quite striking
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Motronic posted:. Doesnt handle, poor build quality, ride is hosed up, pathetic performance, well behind in crash safety, good only for idiots that dont have any clue that up the road there is vastly superior cars that do exactly what you quoted as requirements for the same dosh. Ford even built a godawful load better one called the Territory, which was good in everyway that the Escape isnt. And that's really what is hosed up, the Territory IS good, the old Escape is a terrible piece of crap, all Ford had to do was RHD the Territory and you would have had something actually worth driving on a road. But no, they released one of the worst vehicles in the last decade.
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Cat Terrist posted:Doesnt handle, poor build quality, ride is hosed up, pathetic performance, well behind in crash safety, good only for idiots that dont have any clue that up the road there is vastly superior cars that do exactly what you quoted as requirements for the same dosh. While that is a good point (and I know of a few people with Escape/Tributes who have had no end of trouble with them), it's not possible to LHD the current Falcon/Territory platform.
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Cat Terrist posted:Doesnt handle, poor build quality, ride is hosed up, pathetic performance, well behind in crash safety, good only for idiots that dont have any clue that up the road there is vastly superior cars that do exactly what you quoted as requirements for the same dosh. Yeah...I don't think you seem to get my point here. I know these things (although you are being terribly dramatic about it, especially that there are "vastly superior" choices). People in the market for a car like that do not. It is "good enough", and Ford is printing money with the thing. Money from people like my mom, who are 100% perfectly happy with it. It's building a car to a market and making as much money on it as you can by not wasting it on modifications until you absolutely, positively have to. I have no intention of continuing this..... It just seems we don't agree that there is a market for terrible little faux-SUVs in which the people buying them really don't care about much of this stuff at all. Most cars are not designed or built for driving enthusiasts. Because most people are not driving enthusiasts.
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Motronic posted:It's building a car to a market and making as much money on it as you can by not wasting it on modifications until you absolutely, positively have to. No, don't you get it, it's better to have razor thin profits on an expensive-to-build platform that only survives because of an inherently protective market and fleet sales.
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While I fully agree with you, it is possible to build driving appliance type cars without them being anaesthetized or totally horrible for those who care about driving - for instance, 90s Hondas.
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Cat Terrist posted:Ford even built a godawful load better one called the Territory, which was good in everyway that the Escape isnt. And that's really what is hosed up, the Territory IS good, the old Escape is a terrible piece of crap, all Ford had to do was RHD the Territory and you would have had something actually worth driving on a road. But no, they released one of the worst vehicles in the last decade. Isn't the Territory significantly larger and more expensive?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:While I fully agree with you, it is possible to build driving appliance type cars without them being anaesthetized or totally horrible for those who care about driving - for instance, 90s Hondas. Totally agree, and I'm under no delusions with regard to the old Escape. It was a mediocre vehicle when it came out, and it's time has passed. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Isn't the Territory significantly larger and more expensive? Very much so, if anything it would have replaced the old truck-based Explorer. But it provided a chance to whine about how much better the Falcon is than anything else Ford builds or will ever build, so...
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SouthLAnd posted:The thing I love about this is that the car had been wrecked 3 weeks earlier, and the NHTSA just ignored the huge 435lb Li-Ion battery in the middle of the car. Hell, even GM recommends that the battery be drained after a major collision to avoid fires. The only headline that should come from this story is "NHTSA Retarded: Wrecked cars can (still) catch fire". I've always loved the Azera. Just think they look sharp.
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The first Escapes were really well received when they came out. It had V6 power and more room than the CR-V and Rav4. It also rode better and outperformed trucks like the Jeep Grand Cherokee of the day which had similar interior volume. Unfortunately a lot better competition came out and it quickly sunk to the bottom. My dad leased a 2009 Mercury Mariner, I have no idea why, but I absolutely hated driving it. The ride was bouncy and nervous, and the interior felt like it was made out of Tupperware storage bins. It did have 240hp and a six speed automatic so it wasn't completely gutless.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Isn't the Territory significantly larger and more expensive? Its not necessarily more expensive (in NZ the base Territory slots in below the Kuga) but it is a hilarious gas guzzler in the petrol versions, much much worse in the real world than its ratings. This is why the latest refresh is RWD only for petrol and the petrol turbo is gone. The other problem is typical Ford AU quality which is clearly not just a build issue.
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SouthLAnd posted:The first Escapes were really well received when they came out. It had V6 power and more room than the CR-V and Rav4. It also rode better and outperformed trucks like the Jeep Grand Cherokee of the day which had similar interior volume. Unfortunately a lot better competition came out and it quickly sunk to the bottom. My dad leased a 2009 Mercury Mariner, I have no idea why, but I absolutely hated driving it. The ride was bouncy and nervous, and the interior felt like it was made out of Tupperware storage bins. It did have 240hp and a six speed automatic so it wasn't completely gutless. It also looked a lot more truck-y than its competitors (I always thought the Rav-4 and CRV looked kind of ugly and girly) I would still never buy an escape
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BonzoESC posted:Because the "cheaper counterpart" is a runaway hit and Chevrolet doesn't want to mess with it in the process of introducing a more coherent design language across both of their sporty cars. What is the point of introducing a more coherent design language across their two sporty cars, both of which are famous enough that everybody knows that Chevy makes them? It's like saying that Ford should redesign the GT to make it look more like the Mustang (assume Ford still makes the GT). There is absolutely no reason that all the cars you make should look the same. If anything, the Ford situation shows the dangers of having your expensive high-end sporty car look too much like your affordable sporty car. With the introduction of the ZL-1, the Camaro is already edging dangerously close to the Corvette in terms of pricing and power/prestige. Given that situation, logically you would want to further separate the two cars to avoid competing against yourself. Making the more expensive of the two cars (which is still selling well and has received few complaints about its styling) look more like the cheaper one is really pretty pointless. If anything, you would want to take the car further upscale since the only way to get people to buy a base Corvette instead of the ZL-1 Camaro is to accentuate the sharper styling and smaller size from being a true two-seater sports car instead of a muscle car/pony car. Making it look fatter and more like the $25k Camaro makes no sense. Camaro Base - $24k Camaro ZL1 - 580 hp, $55k Corvette Coupe - 430 hp, $50k
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Hot Cops posted:It also looked a lot more truck-y than its competitors (I always thought the Rav-4 and CRV looked kind of ugly and girly) Yeah, I've rented a few Escapes, and while I wouldn't buy one (I'd rather buy a previous-gen Subaru Forester or a new Kia), I did like the clean and honest looking exterior styling (see also, the previous-gen Forester). It's a pretty good looking cute ute, and definitely better looking than the variously bulbous and weird looking competitors in that segment. That said, the trucky interior is a little low-rent and needlessly chunky/bulky for my tastes, but it's not awful.
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Jesus Christ, Lincoln. 2013 Lincoln MKS evolves new nose, bigger brakes Looks like a goddamned baleen whale. e: looks like they designed its mom, too...  2013 Lincoln MKT shows its toothier grin MrSaturn fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 17, 2011 |
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Lincoln, by Alienware.
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MrSaturn posted:Jesus Christ, Lincoln. Guys, I'm not having Acura have the last laugh. We can make a shittier grill.
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The hood crease going to/from the Lincoln badge  Thanks, brand managers.
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