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Oatgan posted:Medusa and Evan were a couple until Medusa caught Evan hitting on Spice backstage. Medusa was scheduled to be in a match that night to determine who gets a shot at the cruiserweight title against Mona. Evan, who is on commentary, enters the ring for some reason and Medusa distracts him with her enormous breasts then hits a german suplex on Evan and pins him for the win ( Didn't the Medusa/Evan relationship start up following Medusa complaining that she wasn't treated as a serious competitor due to her gender, after which she would be booked in huge mismatches against monsters where she would still put in a real effort while the commentary team mocked her for daring to want to be considered more than just tits and rear end? Then she fell in love with a male wrestler and basically became his arm-candy?
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't the Medusa/Evan relationship start up following Medusa complaining that she wasn't treated as a serious competitor due to her gender, after which she would be booked in huge mismatches against monsters where she would still put in a real effort while the commentary team mocked her for daring to want to be considered more than just tits and rear end? Then she fell in love with a male wrestler and basically became his arm-candy? Yes she was in the heavyweight tournament against Ming.
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bobkatt013 posted:Yes she was in the heavyweight tournament against Ming. In literally one week she went from demanding serious competition and being forced to wrestle Chris Benoit to wearing hot pants, a tube top, and platform heels, laying across the commentary desk and talking about how sexy Evan Karagias is, and hypnotizing the ref with her breasts. Vince Russo hates women.
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Jerusalem posted:I have seen that match once and only once, and it disgusted me enough that it was one of the major reasons I started actively avoiding WCW, but tell me if I remember this right: Really adds credence to Meltzer's constant claims that Russo hates women.
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Jerusalem posted:We just watched Souled Out 1997 - the PPV that was sponsored completely by the nWo and my God it was loving terrible. This COULD have been amazing, the concept of a stable completely taking over and running their own PPV and making the WCW wrestlers the "outsiders" could have been brilliant - if it had ended with the WCW guys doing the standard nWo run-in and beating down a top nWo guy could have, I think, made for incredibly compelling television. The Giant proves, much like Sting did at War Games '96 that he can take out the nWo by himself. WCW likely has a guy who knows the New World Order better than anyone being a former member and can take out several guys at once, and do the WCW wrestlers get out of their chairs to saved him? Meh. What bugs me most about Hogan matches back in '97 is he wasn't immobile. Hogan was moving better in the ring than in years. He could go... if he wanted to. But he never did.
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Lone Rogue posted:The Giant proves, much like Sting did at War Games '96 that he can take out the nWo by himself. WCW likely has a guy who knows the New World Order better than anyone being a former member and can take out several guys at once, and do the WCW wrestlers get out of their chairs to saved him? Meh. What would Hogan get out of it?
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Oatgan posted:Vince Russo hates women. but what did Russo have against JR? The whole thing seemed very mean spirited and spiteful.
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bobkatt013 posted:What would Hogan get out of it? Exactly. It's just frustrating to watch any wrestler do that. coconono posted:but what did Russo have against JR? The whole thing seemed very mean spirited and spiteful. Ed Ferarra hated him.
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I saw one random YouTube match of DDP wrestling Hollywood Hogan on Nitro and Hogan was transitioning holds and mat wrestling and poo poo. It was the craziest thing.
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Oatgan posted:Medusa and Evan were a couple until Medusa caught Evan hitting on Spice backstage. Medusa was scheduled to be in a match that night to determine who gets a shot at the cruiserweight title against Mona. Evan, who is on commentary, enters the ring for some reason and Medusa distracts him with her enormous breasts then hits a german suplex on Evan and pins him for the win ( I thought the explanation was: lesbians.
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coconono posted:but what did Russo have against JR? The whole thing seemed very mean spirited and spiteful. It was mostly Ferrara and I guess they did not get along back stage. Since one respected the wrestling business and good taste and the other is 
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Bocc Kob posted:I saw one random YouTube match of DDP wrestling Hollywood Hogan on Nitro and Hogan was transitioning holds and mat wrestling and poo poo. It was the craziest thing. Is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCwcll5gwDQ I kind of skimmed it and did not see much, but just randomly stopping in the middle and seeing Hogan do a flipping armbar made me stop and think "if he was able and willing to do things like this in a random match with DDP on Nitro, why did he not normally do any of this?" Then again, given how incredibly hot the crowd is (pro-Hogan, which means it is some point in WCW history I have forgotten about), maybe this was a huge match at the time. But it still would hardly explain why Hogan did not put this much effort into his pay-per-view matches in the same era, seemingly.
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Quarex posted:Is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCwcll5gwDQ I don't remember it being in German, but yeah that's it. Look at Hogan wrestle like a wrestler. 
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Russo was on the way out of the WWF as Chyna was starting to get pushed as a credible competitor. Given we've established he hates women, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Medusa thing and making it stupid was kind of his smug revenge for having to push Chyna. Exhibit B on this theory: Asya. See? It's bigger than Chyna. 
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Russo was on the way out of the WWF as Chyna was starting to get pushed as a credible competitor. Given we've established he hates women, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Medusa thing and making it stupid was kind of his smug revenge for having to push Chyna. That is not true I am pretty sure he booked a bunch of the Jarret Chyna stuff. That showed his opinion of women. Good house keeping match
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Starrcade 97 is such a terrible card. So many major stars are not on it. Scott Hall is in a manager role for Eric Bischoff, Nash doesn't have a match, Giant doesn't have a match, Savage was only added because KONNAN was injured. No Flair and no Horsemen aside from Benoit and McMichael (Benoit plays face, Mongo plays heel?) Only three belts defended. It's just poorly booked for the biggest show in your company's history. Also, it was pretty clear in late 97 they had no idea really what they were booking from week to week. It made little sense for Savage to turn heel after everything Hogan and the nWo did to him. Ted Dibiase leaving was okay but I think that was because he was unhappy as a heel. Adding Big Bubba was one of the dumbest things they did because he was an early example of the nWo saying no to hanger-on's. Guess they lost that narrative quick (I'd say the moment they brought in Vincent they lost it). It's so amazingly easy to assemble a better card. I always thought it would have been great to set up a Savage/Hall/Nash vs. Steiners/Mystery Partner at Starrcade, a reverse Bash 96 and have Bret Hart come out then. nWo was already building up from while Bret was still in the WWF that he was coming to the nWo so having him debut as the mystery man for WCW would have been a cool twist. It would have put him on the right foot for WCW as well. Oh well, I'm back into fantasy booking territory again :P
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Wheresmy5bucks posted:Russo was on the way out of the WWF as Chyna was starting to get pushed as a credible competitor. Given we've established he hates women, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Medusa thing and making it stupid was kind of his smug revenge for having to push Chyna. Joey Styles made that Asia is bigger than Chyna joke about Nicole Bass all the time so WCW stole that too. If there's one thing I can't stand it's a joke thief 
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Lone Rogue posted:Starrcade 97 is such a terrible card. So many major stars are not on it. Scott Hall is in a manager role for Eric Bischoff, Nash doesn't have a match, Giant doesn't have a match, Savage was only added because KONNAN was injured. No Flair and no Horsemen aside from Benoit and McMichael (Benoit plays face, Mongo plays heel?) Only three belts defended. It's just poorly booked for the biggest show in your company's history. There is no Flair since that was the time that he decided he would rather see his junkie son then go to a WCW event.
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bobkatt013 posted:There is no Flair since that was the time that he decided he would rather see his junkie son then go to a WCW event. Ah yes, I thought that was prior to this PPV. This makes his feud with Bret at Superbrawl even worse. So much momentum coming back and ripping Bischoff apart and you have him feud with Bret Hart? The guy who is just coming in to prove he's for WCW? Good god what a mixed up feud. Always bothered me.
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Lone Rogue posted:Ah yes, I thought that was prior to this PPV. Wait I was wrong that was in 1998. Ric Flair was suppose to face Curt but either an actual injury of back stage shenanigans DDP replaced him
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Sue Denim posted:From the years I watched WCW Starrcade never really had much of a special aura about it. 94 had a Hogan v Beefcake match! When WCW was NWA it had some amazing matches like Flair v Harvey Race, The I quit match with TA Magnum, along with being the end feuds. However, it quickly become just another PPV bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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bobkatt013 posted:There is no Flair since that was the time that he decided he would rather see his junkie son then go to a WCW event. Isn't that WCW's version of how it went down?
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Isn't that WCW's version of how it went down? WCW's version is he gave them no notice and because they had planned on him being at a Thunder taping they had to rewrite everything at the last minute. Flair's version is he gave them advanced warning and was given the time off by Bischoff.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Isn't that WCW's version of how it went down? Sort of. He told WCW he was going to see his junkie son wrestle, but being WCW they still had him on Thunder. He did not show up so Bishoff sued him.
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bobkatt013 posted:Sort of. He told WCW he was going to see his junkie son wrestle, but being WCW they still had him on Thunder. He did not show up so Bishoff sued him. To compound that, if I'm remembering correctly, they decided at the very last minute that they needed Flair on Thunder for literally no reason and no advance promotion, and chartered him a private flight.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:To compound that, if I'm remembering correctly, they decided at the very last minute that they needed Flair on Thunder for literally no reason and no advance promotion, and chartered him a private flight. I could go read the Death of WCW but I'd have to get out of my chair to do it...I thought they wanted him to pay for the flight to Thunder out of his own pocket because I remember him saying "Would they make Hogan or Nash pay for their ticket?"
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Moose Bigelow posted:I could go read the Death of WCW but I'd have to get out of my chair to do it...I thought they wanted him to pay for the flight to Thunder out of his own pocket because I remember him saying "Would they make Hogan or Nash pay for their ticket?" I wouldn't put it past them, but then again I wouldn't put it past WCW to charter a private flight to get someone like Lodi to a WCW Saturday Night. All dumb realities are equally probable when it comes to WCW.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:All dumb realities are equally probable when it comes to WCW. The Manflurry Postulate.
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Moose Bigelow posted:The Manflurry Postulate. We haven't even delved into the sheer depths of my WCW Multiverse hypothesis, and we needn't go down that rabbit hole just yet. The condensed version is WCW in all universes perpetrate equally moronic missteps and all go out of business at the same moment.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:We haven't even delved into the sheer depths of my WCW Multiverse hypothesis, and we needn't go down that rabbit hole just yet. The condensed version is WCW in all universes perpetrate equally moronic missteps and all go out of business at the same moment. I hope that in one of these universes they had used Leapin' Lanny Poffo to manage Meng in his new gimmick of Haiku Haku.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:We haven't even delved into the sheer depths of my WCW Multiverse hypothesis, and we needn't go down that rabbit hole just yet. The condensed version is WCW in all universes perpetrate equally moronic missteps and all go out of business at the same moment. As much as it may interfere with causality, I'd love to see the Multiverse where they put the heavyweight strap on Jerry Flynn.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Haiku Haku. I... can't... stop... laughing...
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CombineThresher posted:As much as it may interfere with causality, I'd love to see the Multiverse where they put the heavyweight strap on Jerry Flynn. I'll say without any irony that Flynn has been one of the brightest spots in our rewatches of WCW - not that's he's actually any good at anything - and if WCW had made him World Champion I would have loved it completely.
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Moose Bigelow posted:I hope that in one of these universes they had used Leapin' Lanny Poffo to manage Meng in his new gimmick of Haiku Haku. I was once a King And was once an Islander Now my Face breeds Fear
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