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Arnold of Soissons posted:Valdis Story is in the Notable Ongoing list in the OP? Some of us are backing it because it's from the people who made Legend of Fae, a fun little Puzzle Quest-ish game that uses Panel de Pon/Tetris Attack instead of Bejeweled as its base. It's got a nice art style, keeps a good difficulty/mechanics balance, and was just an all-around good title from people who seemed to know how to keep their budget balanced and their ideas within scope. Seeing them go from a puzzle-RPG to an action-RPG seems like something worth gambling on. Seriously, go buy Legend of Fae if you like little casual games. It's pretty cool.
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mutata posted:I hope you have to work at a developer some day that has 1 test unit for the entire company. Also, wouldnt they probably want an iPad 1, 2, and 3 to cover the bases? With each one on a different iOS version, too.
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theblackw0lf posted:Interesting update from the guys who are making Star Command about some of the unexpected costs accrued after their successful Kickstarter campaign. Double Fine posted about their expenses so far on their backers only forum. http://www.doublefine.com/forums/viewthread/6443/ Some snippets for non-backers (note they raised $3,446,371 total): quote:For every payment made through Kickstarter, Amazon took 5%. After that, Kickstarter took their 5%. There were a handful of failed transactions that were never corrected as well, leaving our final total after fees and failed transactions at $3,099,660.  Two player production's cut was $393,964. This leaves them with $2,232,465. A far cry from their initial amount, but hopefully enough to make an awesome 2D adventure game with. edit: Double Fine kept track of how much all of their rewards were costing them from the beginning. It's important that people with kickstarters do this, otherwise the costs really could get away from you. It should never be 30% of your revenue like Star Command. DF's was 14%, perhaps still too high, but much more reasonable. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Apr 16, 2012 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Two player production's cut was $393,964. This leaves them with $2,232,465. A far cry from their initial amount, but hopefully enough to make an awesome 2D adventure game with. Considering that they were originally planning to make the game in, like, AGS, 2 million should make something nice. Although who knows if they're going to gear up and make their own set of design tools to make a 2D adventure game now to give the engine guys something to do, and to be ready to make more such games in the future.
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Al! posted:$1000 in iPads is what, 2 iPads? It doesn't seem too much to me to have 2 company ipads. However, the biggest thing to me is the $10,000 in prize fulfillment. I see a lot of kickstarters that look like they are setting themselves up to spend just as much as they earned in t-shirts, posters, vanity press books, etc. Doublefine will probably spend hundreds of thousands of dollars alone sending out their stuff. Doublefine actually did a breakdown of their costs so far quote:Doublefine also had a very good breakdown of their costs. Of the 3+ million they made, nearly a million went to various costs, such as prizes, fees, shipping, and the documentary. http://kotaku.com/5902280/what-the-hell-these-game-developers-did-with-your-kickstarter-money Trying to find where the actual breakdown was mentioned. edit: haha, nevermind. Already posted.
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People making kickstarters should really just offer digital rewards for a while. It probably wastes a lot of the company's time planning and making sure there's money for stuff like boxed releases on top of taking a lot of money from them. There's an art book at the 30$ tier for wasteland so I wouldn't be surprised if they lost a ton of money from that.
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theblackw0lf posted:http://kotaku.com/5902280/what-the-hell-these-game-developers-did-with-your-kickstarter-money My favorite thing about that is how the first comment on loving Kotaku is also "iPads?! What do they need iPads for?!"
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gokuesque posted:People making kickstarters should really just offer digital rewards for a while. It probably wastes a lot of the company's time planning and making sure there's money for stuff like boxed releases on top of taking a lot of money from them. That's a digital artbook, though.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Two player production's cut was $393,964. Uh, wasn't their part just supposed to be $100,000? That increased a bit. gokuesque posted:People making kickstarters should really just offer digital rewards for a while. I just complained earlier today that Shadowrun's boxed edition would cost me $150 as opposed to the $65 of Wasteland 2. If you wouldn't offer me anything physical, I wouldn't even bother increasing my pledge from the basic type. Sure is taking a lot more money than people expect considering it's everyone's first kickstarter, but without physical goodies, a lot of that money wouldn't even be there.
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Saoshyant posted:Uh, wasn't their part just supposed to be $100,000? That increased a bit.
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Saoshyant posted:I just complained earlier today that Shadowrun's boxed edition would cost me $150 as opposed to the $65 of Wasteland 2. If you wouldn't offer me anything physical, I wouldn't even bother increasing my pledge from the basic type. Sure is taking a lot more money than people expect considering it's everyone's first kickstarter, but without physical goodies, a lot of that money wouldn't even be there.
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Blodskur posted:I assume that the now extended development time has altered that. Not sure why four times, but it's the only thing I can think of.
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I forgot the bottom line from the DFA finance summary: "Instead of a team of 3 working for around 6 months, we’ll have a team of 11 working for around a year" They said that isn't accounting for additional contract help and such. Quite a difference! Saoshyant posted:Uh, wasn't their part just supposed to be $100,000? That increased a bit. quote:Originally, 2PP was asking for $100,000, but just like us they were asking for a bare bones budget and their production has expanded quite a bit in reaction to the unexpected amount of support and interest in the project. It meant not just following us for 6 months, but for an entire year. It also meant covering a lot more travel (they’re in Portland, we’re in SF), buying new equipment, and paying for an amazing score from Terrance Lee. Taking this all into account, we agreed that a fair split would be to give 2PP 15% of the money after fees and rewards. Having to cover a team 4 times as large, for twice as long will increase costs by quite a bit. Plus, now it will simply look a lot nicer since it will be filmed with better gear. They posted a list of their gear on the backers forum: http://www.doublefine.com/forums/viewthread/6608/
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Yodzilla posted:Especially with all of the iOS fragmentation there is now. Fuckin' this. I have to roll back my firmware soon just to make sure my poo poo will run on older versions of iOS and I'm a single person operation. This would all be far more smooth with more than one device.
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StevenM posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1465600975/echoes-of-eternia-a-modern-take-on-a-classic-desig Every time that comes up, I'm absolutely baffled as to how people can say that RPGs have strayed from their original design when many of them do little more than slap 3D graphics on to an ancient combat system. JRPGs are one of the most slow-moving (as far as evolution is concerned) genres there are right now. And poo poo, that kid can't be older than 21. What classic RPGs came out in 2003? How the hell did he grow up with these titles?
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Quarex posted:Arx Fatalis is not quite old enough, but despite having loved the game and played through it multiple times I do not remember anything about the developer--would people care if they got the "Arkane Studios" team back together? I don't think the Arx team was very large, and a number of them are still here at Arkane. We're working on Dishonored at the moment. Some people do recognize the studio name in connection to the studio's the previous titles though.
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Megalixir posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/chris-huelsbeck/turrican-soundtrack-anthology-by-chris-huelsbeck  Holy crap on a crap cracker. I remember sitting at the TV as a wee babe holding up my sister's walkman to the speaker so I could record bits of the Turrican soundtrack to listen to later. I don't think I ever liked another game soundtrack enough to do it again. Donating.
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Syrg Sapphire posted:Some of us are backing it because it's from the people who made Legend of Fae, a fun little Puzzle Quest-ish game that uses Panel de Pon/Tetris Attack instead of Bejeweled as its base. It's got a nice art style, keeps a good difficulty/mechanics balance, and was just an all-around good title from people who seemed to know how to keep their budget balanced and their ideas within scope. Seeing them go from a puzzle-RPG to an action-RPG seems like something worth gambling on. That sounds fantastic, added to my Steam list, thanks.
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Police Warfare Battlefield 3 meets cops and robbers. This looks really good, and they do a great job of showing what kind of game they want to make unlike Tactical Shooter.
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r1ngwthszzors posted:Didn't realize that Amazon and Kickstarter combined would get 10% of the cut. Whenever somebody makes money, usually 4 or 5 people make money from that.
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Still, when people are pledging $15 specifically for international shipping it's kind of silly to add that all up and then say "look how much we have to spend for shipping." If they want to inform people about what happened to the money shown on the final Kickstarter total, it makes sense for them to disclose the amount that went towards shipping. Ideally, the extra pledged for international shipping wouldn't be included in that total since it was never intended to go towards the game in the first place, but you can't fault them for taking it back out again and explaining where it's going.
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Alright so as mentioned before, Kinetic Void will be having a Kickstarter 'soon' we decided to wait a little while until our Shipyard demo has a few more gameplay features in it. Our dev thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3464522 and here is a preview of the Kickstarter, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seanpollman/1298494244?token=c45e9787 obviously not done yet as we keep improving the game I update things. I am hoping for another week or two until we launch it, but we will see.
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So this isn't really game related, more kickstarter related, but HOLY CRAP! Last week a company asked for $100,000 to create a watch that syncs to your iPhone or Android and has a bunch of cool features. The current total is now $3,244,755 And they still have 32 days to go. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
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seorin posted:If they want to inform people about what happened to the money shown on the final Kickstarter total, it makes sense for them to disclose the amount that went towards shipping. Ideally, the extra pledged for international shipping wouldn't be included in that total since it was never intended to go towards the game in the first place, but you can't fault them for taking it back out again and explaining where it's going.
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Is there any data on return investment, at least insofar as a game making a profit? I ask because I'm curious to see if the wave of nostalgic startups-Double Fine, Wasteland, Shadowrun, etc. constitutes the people who would of bought the game in the first place. Should these games be objectively good, I wonder if word of mouth will be enough to return a profit on them. Not that the companies are at any financial risk, it'd just be disappointing to see such relatively heartwarming stories fall flat in the end.
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LumberingTroll posted:Alright so as mentioned before, Kinetic Void will be having a Kickstarter 'soon' we decided to wait a little while until our Shipyard demo has a few more gameplay features in it. I've been following Kinetic Void off and on for a while now and you already have a pledge from me when you go live. However, I'd probably bump "Why do you deserve my money?" to just above the gamplay section. It's a short section and you already give a rough description of the game in the intro. Also, if you don't mind me asking, how did you handle the "snap to section" for your ship modules? I'm looking to do something similar for a level editor and any point in the right direction would be grand.
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Aurubin posted:Is there any data on return investment, at least insofar as a game making a profit? I ask because I'm curious to see if the wave of nostalgic startups-Double Fine, Wasteland, Shadowrun, etc. constitutes the people who would of bought the game in the first place. Should these games be objectively good, I wonder if word of mouth will be enough to return a profit on them. Not that the companies are at any financial risk, it'd just be disappointing to see such relatively heartwarming stories fall flat in the end. As far as Doublefine goes, when Psychonauts first launched it sold about as many copies as there are backers, was considered a huge disappointment, and nearly sunk Majesco. Now it has sold four times that many copies because of stuff like Steam. 87 thousand backers is seems like a lot, but isn't really for the industry.
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NINbuntu 64 posted:I've been following Kinetic Void off and on for a while now and you already have a pledge from me when you go live. However, I'd probably bump "Why do you deserve my money?" to just above the gamplay section. It's a short section and you already give a rough description of the game in the intro. Thanks for the feedback on the page, and it always makes us feel good when people say they want to buy already As for the modular system, I wont pretend to know how its done, Harabeck is a wiz at C# and he built the system from scratch.
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evilmiera posted:Not really. Clearly you didn't follow the thread, since half the posts, especially on the first page, were stupid tripe like "well, the game LOOKS beautiful and has a great pitch and a great gameplay concept, and the game is only  ...but Bioware devs! DRAGON AGE 2/ MASS EFFECT 3! I JUST DON'T KNOW!!!!"
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theblackw0lf posted:So this isn't really game related, more kickstarter related, but HOLY CRAP! Holy crap this thing looks awesome, I backed $1 until I can see if the wife will let me drop $115 on something this cool! I wonder how it will work with the iPhone, I thought it was pretty locked down at least e-mail wise, I know the normal phone stuff is normal bluetooth.
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theblackw0lf posted:So this isn't really game related, more kickstarter related, but HOLY CRAP! That reminds of how, for the longest time (since I joined KS (over a year ago) to a coupla months ago when KS finally had its first million dollar project (which I think was a documentary? maybe the oots ks?)), the most-funded project in KS history was the TikTok watch, a watch adaptator for your iPod Nano. People really, really love their watches built for iDevices.
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Scratch-O posted:Give me 25 grand so I can buy toys! He'd be better off starting a donation drive where people just outright mail him lego blocks.
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theblackw0lf posted:Last week a company asked for $100,000 to create a watch that syncs to your iPhone or Android and has a bunch of cool features. What was that people were saying about Kickstarter not being the proper venue to raise tens of millions for a true high-quality game? Apparently if BioWare went to Kickstarter and said "hey we need $50 million for Mass Effect 3 THE REAL ENDING" it would work. Well, not necessarily, but this is interesting. Why do people like watches in the year 2012 
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