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InitialDave posted:Look what Lego have just done: The Lego Zeppelin kit better be massive 
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Jun 7, 2012 22:09
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InitialDave posted:Look what Lego have just done: The stick in the cockpit actually moves the ailerons and elevators via the cables you can see looping over the roundels and attached to the top of said elevators. Not the rudder though. Tommy don't get no rudder.
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Jun 7, 2012 22:14
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Geizkragen posted:I wish I remember where these guys were from, but they were nice enough to email us some pics they took one day (they liked the flags).
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Jun 7, 2012 22:18
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InitialDave posted:Look what Lego have just done: This is loving awesome and I wants it.
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Jun 7, 2012 22:29
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Godholio posted:This is loving awesome and I wants it. Easy there Gollum.
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Jun 8, 2012 01:31
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grover posted:Does the super bug need to deploy air brakes to refuel? Haha no. They asked to see the flags. I fell out of the basket about .000001 sec after that was taken.
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Jun 8, 2012 03:38
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Geizkragen posted:Haha no. They asked to see the flags. I fell out of the basket about .000001 sec after that was taken. Better than the basket falling out of the plane. The incidents in this video must have led to a lot of headaches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckOaHGMEQ68
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Jun 8, 2012 04:26
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Do I see a flash in that F-14's engine? Also, I loving love that helo video at the end.
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Jun 8, 2012 05:28
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I.D. this aircraft: Hint: It's somewhere in here: The Virtual Aircraft Museum, which I haven't seen posted in this thread, but looks to be very comprehensive.
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Jun 8, 2012 17:06
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joat mon posted:I.D. this aircraft: http://www.aviastar.org/air/latvia/vef_i-16.php
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Jun 8, 2012 17:18
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Well, we sweet talked our way into media day at the MN Air Spectacular today. Saw the Blues, Sean Tucker, and I got to lay on the edge of a taxiway as two Superhornets rolled nearly over me. Got some kick rear end pictures but it's going to take a while to sort 30gb...
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Jun 9, 2012 03:39
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Denzels new movie about being a pilot. Suspend realism now before watching the trailer. http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/films/flight-trailer
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Jun 9, 2012 03:52
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Well the public is going to eat that poo poo up.
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Jun 9, 2012 04:08
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Does he...land it upside down?
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Jun 9, 2012 04:27
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Godholio posted:Does he...land it upside down? No. Looks like he figures out a way to gain some directional control on the pitch axis using trim then aileron rolls it prior to the impact right side up.
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Jun 9, 2012 05:41
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HeyEng posted:Well the public is going to eat that poo poo up. Me too looks like fun and a great cast cheadle/Denzel .
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Jun 9, 2012 05:55
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I'm glad I hadn't heard of that before, and it's unfortunate I've heard of it now.
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Jun 9, 2012 07:52
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The upside down bit not only plausible, but has been done. Unfortunately, it was a brave but ultimately unsuccessful attempt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261 quote:1619:43 CAM-2 mayday. http://www.tailstrike.com/310100.htm I guess the film is more about the role of a hero who is not supposed to have flaws, such as drinking. Interesting, but far less gripping than the CVR transcript.
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Jun 9, 2012 16:13
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Ola posted:The upside down bit not only plausible, but has been done. Unfortunately, it was a brave but ultimately unsuccessful attempt. True story, I was sitting in the SeaTac Alaska Airlines boardroom waiting on my flight back to Juneau when Flight 261 went down. Lots of horrified looks when that appeared on all the TVs, and it was a...somewhat apprehensive flight back to Juneau. I took comfort that only 737s did the SEA-JNU run.
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Jun 9, 2012 17:25
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SyHopeful posted:True story, I was sitting in the SeaTac Alaska Airlines boardroom waiting on my flight back to Juneau when Flight 261 went down. Lots of horrified looks when that appeared on all the TVs, and it was a...somewhat apprehensive flight back to Juneau. I took comfort that only 737s did the SEA-JNU run. Even though that accident wasn't entirely the aircraft's fault. Sure, the DC-9/MD-80 is susceptible to a certain type of failure, but had that aircraft not been pencil-whipped through maintenance and had its horizontal stabiliser serviced properly, that accident would have never happened.
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Jun 9, 2012 18:08
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Er, yeah. You know there was a problem with the 737 rudder, and that it could decide it fancied jamming full-on? And that the FAA didn't order an upgrade until two years after the Flight 261 incident? Your comfort may have been misplaced. While we're on filmchat, I have a free cinema ticket I need to use this month. Is Red Tails any good?
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Jun 9, 2012 20:49
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InitialDave posted:Er, yeah. You know there was a problem with the 737 rudder, and that it could decide it fancied jamming full-on? And that the FAA didn't order an upgrade until two years after the Flight 261 incident? Your comfort may have been misplaced. NO gently caress NO On a scale of "drat" to "OMGFUCK" this one ranks high for me in terms of aircraft mishaps--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
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Jun 9, 2012 22:21
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I've heard Redtails is alright as long as you know they were aiming for a 1940s ra ra America sort of movie. Also the Gimli Glider for me is second only to that roof ripping off that airliner near Hawaii in terms of "Jesus! And they lived through that?!"
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Jun 10, 2012 00:02
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Godholio posted:There's a difference between passing an English exam and being intelligible. I've worked with PLENTY of foreign pilots that sounded like gibberish on the radio. A couple days back, but I can't count the number of times this week I've had to go do a face to face with a guy from one of the many foreign units we have up here for a Flag because I couldn't understand him or her over the phone or radio. Obviously there's some of their mx dudes who just flat out don't speak English, but almost all the guys I had to do a face to face with actually speak relatively easily understandable English in person, it's just the accent/syntax/etc that makes it hard to understand over the radio or phone. Godholio posted:Do I see a flash in that F-14's engine? Also, I loving love that helo video at the end. Probably a compressor stall.
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Jun 10, 2012 00:19
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Nebakenezzer posted:I've heard Redtails is alright as long as you know they were aiming for a 1940s ra ra America sort of movie. The Aloha 737 mishap isn't that insane due to Boeing's remarkable over-engineering of their airplanes. Boeing prides themselves on the fact that their jet's could suffer significant structural damage but only to compartmentalized area and continue flying. The book "Jet Age" explains this using the example of Boeing exec's showing prospective buyers a video of a a new 707 under a mammoth guillotine-like device that drops a huge metal slab on the fuselage. The short story is the jet remained structurally intact minus the immediate area surrounding the impact. Much of Boeing's jet design philosophy came from watching De Havilland deal with their seriously compromised early Comet's. Anyhow! My point being that outstanding piloting saved the Gimli crew and pax where good jet design seriously aided the Aloha flight. They're both situations I never ever want to be in.
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Jun 10, 2012 00:22
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InitialDave posted:While we're on filmchat, I have a free cinema ticket I need to use this month. Is Red Tails any good?
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Jun 10, 2012 02:52
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HeyEng posted:On a scale of "drat" to "OMGFUCK" this one ranks high for me in terms of aircraft mishaps--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider I've always been partial to United Flight 232. I think it was the first case of an airliner using primitive thrust vectoring ("differential engine power") alone to fly and land a plane. Reading the similar accidents are of the wiki article, it mentions an incident where all the hydraulics failed and they successfully landed the plane using differential engine power alone.
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Jun 10, 2012 08:16
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Fire Storm posted:I've always been partial to United Flight 232. I think it was the first case of an airliner using primitive thrust vectoring ("differential engine power") alone to fly and land a plane. Reading the similar accidents are of the wiki article, it mentions an incident where all the hydraulics failed and they successfully landed the plane using differential engine power alone. That is a very dramatic mishap, too. The DC-10 had a few of those potentially catastrophic engineering choices made during its design. A KC-10 eng told me that the leading edge flap device can ruin a day if one side doesn't deploy due to differential lift.
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Jun 10, 2012 08:53
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People need a little perspective on how "bad" things are when you fly. I'm sure this was posted earlier, but whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
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Jun 10, 2012 15:25
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Godholio posted:People need a little perspective on how "bad" things are when you fly. I'm sure this was posted earlier, but whatever. Yeah, if the worst thing about hurtling through the air in a metal tube at 600mph is a bit of a delay, consider yourself lucky to live in modern times. I'm scanning the list of commercial aircraft mishaps on wikipedia, and they averaged two or three crashes a year between the wars; 1947 to present, it's more like 15-20 a year. But when you consider the volume, we're doing pretty good these days -- I'd like to see airline incidents compared to total flights per year; I have a feeling the first midair collision of airliners in 1922 killed a statistically significant portion of the year's commercial air passengers, while last year's 19 fatal crashes and 3 with all surviving (and that includes cargo flights) wouldn't even really show up as a percentage of the total.
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Jun 10, 2012 20:11
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:Yeah, if the worst thing about hurtling through the air in a metal tube at 600mph is a bit of a delay, consider yourself lucky to live in modern times. I'm scanning the list of commercial aircraft mishaps on wikipedia, and they averaged two or three crashes a year between the wars; 1947 to present, it's more like 15-20 a year. But when you consider the volume, we're doing pretty good these days -- I'd like to see airline incidents compared to total flights per year; I have a feeling the first midair collision of airliners in 1922 killed a statistically significant portion of the year's commercial air passengers, while last year's 19 fatal crashes and 3 with all surviving (and that includes cargo flights) wouldn't even really show up as a percentage of the total. I looked through that list for American carriers after 2001 and I think there were less than five with fatalities.
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Jun 10, 2012 21:04
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HeyEng posted:That is a very dramatic mishap, too. The DC-10 had a few of those potentially catastrophic engineering choices made during its design. A KC-10 eng told me that the leading edge flap device can ruin a day if one side doesn't deploy due to differential lift. That played a role in the American 191 mishap; when the aircraft lost a hydraulic system as a result of the engine falling off it caused the slats to retract on one of the wings and the asymmetric lift/stall condition caused the aircraft to uncontrollably roll inverted before impact. Although to be fair, asymmetric lift because of a mismatch between which high lift devices are deployed between the two wings isn't really a specific DC-10 problem. Delivery McGee posted:Yeah, if the worst thing about hurtling through the air in a metal tube at 600mph is a bit of a delay, consider yourself lucky to live in modern times. I'm scanning the list of commercial aircraft mishaps on wikipedia, and they averaged two or three crashes a year between the wars; 1947 to present, it's more like 15-20 a year. But when you consider the volume, we're doing pretty good these days -- I'd like to see airline incidents compared to total flights per year; I have a feeling the first midair collision of airliners in 1922 killed a statistically significant portion of the year's commercial air passengers, while last year's 19 fatal crashes and 3 with all surviving (and that includes cargo flights) wouldn't even really show up as a percentage of the total. Air travel has statistically (when you consider passenger miles) been the safest mode of transportation for some time and has only gotten safer over the past couple of decades. I'm too lazy to break the numbers down, but I would bet that it's even safer if you only consider modern regulated scheduled airlines, which are going to be what the majority of people like us spend most of their time flying on (excluding stuff like bush pilots, African charter operators, etc.)
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Jun 10, 2012 21:16
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iyaayas01 posted:That played a role in the American 191 mishap; when the aircraft lost a hydraulic system as a result of the engine falling off it caused the slats to retract on one of the wings and the asymmetric lift/stall condition caused the aircraft to uncontrollably roll inverted before impact. Although to be fair, asymmetric lift because of a mismatch between which high lift devices are deployed between the two wings isn't really a specific DC-10 problem. It's the degree of the differential lift that makes it especially dangerous on a DC-10. I've read it at a few places that the wing design on the DC-10 is not outstanding due to the amount of lift it generates for the aircraft size.
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Jun 10, 2012 21:33
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HeyEng posted:It's the degree of the differential lift that makes it especially dangerous on a DC-10. I've read it at a few places that the wing design on the DC-10 is not outstanding due to the amount of lift it generates for the aircraft size. Good point, I didn't think about that.
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Jun 10, 2012 22:17
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If you are at all interested in what happened on United 232 watch this I bet after part one you will not be able to leave your computer until you have finished the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPu0chBQeUk
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Jun 11, 2012 17:50
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cobra_64 posted:If you are at all interested in what happened on United 232 watch this I bet after part one you will not be able to leave your computer until you have finished the whole thing. This is awesome. And the DC-10 was a death trap.
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Jun 11, 2012 18:36
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Like a DC-10 guaranteed to go down But baby your black box is the one that I found The Bloodhound Gang - Kiss Me Where It Smells Funny
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Jun 11, 2012 18:53
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iyaayas01 posted:That played a role in the American 191 mishap; when the aircraft lost a hydraulic system as a result of the engine falling off it caused the slats to retract on one of the wings and the asymmetric lift/stall condition caused the aircraft to uncontrollably roll inverted before impact. Although to be fair, asymmetric lift because of a mismatch between which high lift devices are deployed between the two wings isn't really a specific DC-10 problem. On the other hand, the slat system that was held in place solely with hydraulic pressure, and the warning systems that weren't on redundant power, were DC-10 problems.
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Jun 11, 2012 21:44
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Watching a documentary about the Tenerife airport disaster. Getting hella pissed at that KLM captain.
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