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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Watching a documentary about the Tenerife airport disaster. Getting hella pissed at that KLM captain. That's the 747 ground collision one, yea?
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HeyEng posted:That's the 747 ground collision one, yea? Yep, KLM 747 into a Pan Am 747.
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Jun 12, 2012 01:24
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Watching a documentary about the Tenerife airport disaster. Getting hella pissed at that KLM captain. The other problem is there were soooo many ways it could have been averted. ATC could have been more direct in telling them that they had another plane on the runway, they could have responded when the first officer said "we are taking off now", the FO could have knocked out the Captain(clearly the best option).
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Jun 12, 2012 01:31
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Tenerife taught us one important thing. Never trust the Dutch.
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Jun 12, 2012 02:10
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Minto Took posted:Tenerife taught us one important thing. Never trust the Dutch. A thousand years of Dutch history taught us that.
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Jun 12, 2012 03:38
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I'm behind by about 900 posts... I hope this isn't a repost: https://vimeo.com/16117810 http://vimeo.com/16117810
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Jun 12, 2012 03:40
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Space Gopher posted:On the other hand, the slat system that was held in place solely with hydraulic pressure, and the warning systems that weren't on redundant power, were DC-10 problems. Fair point. Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Watching a documentary about the Tenerife airport disaster. Getting hella pissed at that KLM captain. Still blows my mind that up until that mishap readback was not standard procedure for critical ATC instructions, like clearance for takeoff. Even then, even with everything else that went wrong the mishap could've been avoided if the KLM and Pan Am crews hadn't stepped on each other on the radios and the Pan Am warning that they were still on the runway had been received by the KLM crew. Just another example of all the events in a mishap chain. The best solution was definitely to knock the KLM captain unconscious though.
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Jun 12, 2012 03:40
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Minto Took posted:Tenerife taught us one important thing. Teach millions of hours about crew resource management and how important 'Assertiveness' is in the cockpit That is still the textbook case of how rank doesn't matter when your hair stands up and you think, "Is this rear end in a top hat about to get me killed?"
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Jun 12, 2012 03:43
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Here is another textbook case of poor CRM
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Jun 12, 2012 04:43
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That gets brought up constantly in CRM classes.
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Jun 12, 2012 04:51
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A group in our class named themselves the "79 cent light-bulbs" or whatever it was.
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Jun 12, 2012 05:13
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Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search116.htm EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jun 12, 2012 |
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Jun 12, 2012 05:44
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iyaayas01 posted:Air travel has statistically (when you consider passenger miles) been the safest mode of transportation for some time and has only gotten safer over the past couple of decades. Though I suppose that's how statistics works. Wasn't like the third guy to build a car killed on the test drive? cars are statistically a lot safer now  Whatever, here's some pictures.    Click through for full size, if you want to laugh at my ancient lovely camera or print for personal use. Mags out/no sales, though.
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Jun 12, 2012 05:50
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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EnergizerFellow posted:Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North Those were really cool. Thanks for reminding me I need to get off my rear end this summer and hike up to Bomber Glacier in the Talkeetnas near Hatcher Pass: 
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Jun 12, 2012 08:23
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Watching a documentary about the Tenerife airport disaster. Getting hella pissed at that KLM captain. Putting all of the blame onto the KLM pilot is a bit unfair, there were mistakes made by pretty much everyone in the disaster... Granted he did hold more of the mistakes on his side, especially starting his roll without explicit 'you have takeoff clearance' and a readback of such (it's possible he heard the 'ok' as meaning he was ok to takeoff) , but even so. The easiest and earliest way it could have been averted was if they use the down-time of Gran Canaria to prepare the aircraft positions for when the airport re-opened, if noone had been taxiing down the runway, noone would have crashed. The KLM captain shouldn't have refueled so much on a short flight from a high altitude short strip. The PanAm captain should have been focusing on the turnoffs more, and the co-pilot should have been more emphatic about the fact that they were still on the runway, given that they knew there was a KLM aircraft in front of them. And so on... everyone takes a piece of the blame, but ultimately it was a collection of accidents and bad procedures (that were accepted as 'ok' at the time).
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Jun 12, 2012 17:58
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Post your favorite aircraft accidents? Don't mind if I do! Not a very notable accident, the crew didn't follow the proper checklist procedures, 1 survivor on the aircraft, 2 died on the ground. Notable to me because it's the only major accident in my area in my lifetime.
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Jun 12, 2012 19:04
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I'm behind by about 900 posts... It's going in this: (Guest-starring Duggy, the derpiest Skytrain ever)  vvvv Godholio posted:Duggy is a loving travesty and needs a fresh coat of paint. Aww, but the kids love him! Phanatic fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jun 12, 2012 |
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Jun 12, 2012 19:28
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HeyEng posted:That gets brought up constantly in CRM classes. Captain is an arrogant middle-aged man on the verge of a heart attack who's just been in a stand-up row with a colleague, co-pilot is young, wet behind the ears and totally lacking in confidence. End result: Plane drops out of sky in a deep stall and ploughs into a field next to a main road because the captain dicked with the leading edge droops and turned off the stall recovery system and nobody stopped him. Itzena fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 13, 2012 |
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Jun 12, 2012 19:58
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Duggy is a loving travesty and needs a fresh coat of paint.
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Jun 12, 2012 20:02
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Cockpit video of an ATR-72 landing very steep due to a pitch trim malfunction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNXaQpf26UA
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Jun 12, 2012 21:05
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Bugsmasher posted:Cockpit video of an ATR-72 landing very steep due to a pitch trim malfunction: Okay, gently caress those guys.
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Jun 12, 2012 22:05
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Seeing some comments on an aviation forum that it may not have been a pitch trim malfunction, but a flight crew just having some fun with an empty plane.
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Jun 12, 2012 22:43
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Bugsmasher posted:Seeing some comments on an aviation forum that it may not have been a pitch trim malfunction, but a flight crew just having some fun with an empty plane. Just a little innocent fun... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701
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Jun 12, 2012 23:18
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Bugsmasher posted:Cockpit video of an ATR-72 landing very steep due to a pitch trim malfunction:  I've done a combat descent (for training) in the E-3 before. That poo poo was loving batty. Literally dropping at 6000fpm will make the ground get big real fast.
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Jun 13, 2012 00:08
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Sometime last year somebody posted an incredible FAA accident report involving a hella stupid kitbuilding pilot. That is my favorite accident.
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Jun 13, 2012 00:28
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I've said it before. But the cockpit voice recorder transcript for the above Pinnacle Airlines accident is just awful.
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Jun 13, 2012 01:30
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Nebakenezzer posted:Sometime last year somebody posted an incredible FAA accident report involving a hella stupid kitbuilding pilot. That is my favorite accident. Was that the one with the autocoversion engine and nonfunctional prop governor that had obviously forged logbook times and pictures of it flying with the cowl attached with clecos?
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Jun 13, 2012 03:10
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The Ferret King posted:I've said it before. But the cockpit voice recorder transcript for the above Pinnacle Airlines accident is just awful. Dude. Dude. We're gonna hit houses, dude. 
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Jun 13, 2012 04:28
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Delivery McGee posted:Whatever, here's some pictures. New desktop image, thanks, that is a fantastic photo.
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Jun 13, 2012 05:20
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Bugsmasher posted:Cockpit video of an ATR-72 landing very steep due to a pitch trim malfunction: What, exactly, am I watching here?
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BonoMan posted:What, exactly, am I watching here? a retardedly steep and asspuckering landing.
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The flare and touchdown is fine though. Tactical.  Nebakenezzer posted:Sometime last year somebody posted an incredible FAA accident report involving a hella stupid kitbuilding pilot. That is my favorite accident. This one: Ola posted:Ok, I'm a big fan of experimental aviation a.k.a. kitplanes. Done right it is one of the finest home engineering hobbies and with easy access to the wealth of knowledge from fellow builders it can truly turn out a wonderful flying machine that puts comparable certified machines to shame. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654&pagenumber=54&perpage=40#post385022587 It's chilling to think that the accident flight in what was basically an untested, unfinished, not airworthy aircraft, was the owner "making sure" before taking his family up the next day.
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The Stargazer is getting ready for another Pegasus launch in about an hour and a half, this time with the NuSTAR x-ray telescope: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/pegasus/nustar/status.html 
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Jun 13, 2012 15:26
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KALB to KBWI on a CRJ, how bad can it be?
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Jun 13, 2012 19:29
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Polymerized Cum posted:KALB to KBWI on a CRJ, how bad can it be? That's not far at all and is the type of route that CRJs were intended for. How does ATL to YUL strike you?
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Jun 13, 2012 19:35
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:How does ATL to YUL strike you?  Though I am leaving ATL so....
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Jun 13, 2012 21:15
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Ola posted:The flare and touchdown is fine though. Tactical. Someone needs to send an investigator out and explain why the NTSB site is down.
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Jun 13, 2012 21:33
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Colonial Air Force posted:Someone needs to send an investigator out and explain why the NTSB site is down. It does that sometimes. I was watching it for a particular incident to show up last month, and it took weeks including a day or two it was down or on vacation or something.
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The NTSB is back up, but that link is outdated. You can search by accident number, NYC08FA023, or goto this link: Things not to do as a pilot/builder
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Ola posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654&pagenumber=54&perpage=40#post385022587 Yep, this is the one. It's like the guy confused building an airplane with restoring an old car, and assumed the risks were exactly the same.
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