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My biggest question about the PA kickstarter is why is it important to drop the adverts? What is having to run advertising preventing them from doing? What will they suddenly be able to do with 1 million a year from crowdfunding that they couldn't do with the same revenue from ads? I hope it's not just "now without having to worry about our advertisers getting all offended, we can finally bring you the 3-month dickwolves saga you have all been yearning for"
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Cicadalek posted:My biggest question about the PA kickstarter is why is it important to drop the adverts? What is having to run advertising preventing them from doing? What will they suddenly be able to do with 1 million a year from crowdfunding that they couldn't do with the same revenue from ads? The only possible answer I can come up with is that Penny Arcade is making the transition to hardcore pornography.
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Jul 11, 2012 01:09
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Azure_Horizon posted:The difference here is that they'll produce new content regardless. It doesn't change anything aside from ads disappearing. The money isn't really going towards new content. This doesn't make any sense at all.  How is the pile of money not going towards new content? It's replacing the old pile of money, but both piles pay for the content produced. If you subtract the advertising money and don't add the Kickstarter money to replace it, no content will be created at all. As for what getting the ads out accomplishes -- isn't all the money poured into advertising part of everyone's complaints about Video Game Journalism? I don't think there's any way not having banner ads will mean they're totally uninfluenced by Big Publisher, but it's a worthwhile start. No, I don't consider PA to be games journalism exactly, but the PR they provide games is undeniable.
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Jul 11, 2012 01:17
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Reading over the KS page again, I think they mean that they won't have to do promotional comics for videogames anymore, and they can spend the time on other stuff. It's easy to miss, since they seem to make a far bigger deal over the pictures of their websites without ads, which everyone without Adblock has already seen. I'm still skeptical though. How much time do they spend on these promotional comics? Will they really be able to pump out a bunch of amazing original content in that time? I guess I'm biased, since I don't really read PA anymore and I don't really care how much content they're putting out. NmareBfly posted:As for what getting the ads out accomplishes -- isn't all the money poured into advertising part of everyone's complaints about Video Game Journalism? I don't think there's any way not having banner ads will mean they're totally uninfluenced by Big Publisher, but it's a worthwhile start. No, I don't consider PA to be games journalism exactly, but the PR they provide games is undeniable. I'm still confused as to what influence publishers have over them currently. If they're not afraid to offend rape victims en masse, I doubt they'd be afraid to pan a lovely game just because they might lose out on advertising. Cicadalek fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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This may have been mentioned, but gently caress, we're up to 105 pages now so... The one thing that will make\break this kickstarter thing is the quality of the products released. For example, how much would it suck if you chipped in 2k to Tim Schafer, got put into his brand new game...but the game sucked rear end? Same thing applies to the 2 Guys from Andromeda.
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Jul 11, 2012 01:22
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NINbuntu 64 posted:They're saying they'll be able to make new content with the ads being gone. I'm not kidding, this is a thing they loving said. They spend a lot of time making ads for companies, if they're not doing that they'll spend that time making comics. What's confusing about that? This content is represented by the list of "Stretchgoals" on the Kickstarter page. For example: at $550,000 they'll make a bonus "Lookouts" comic. Nobody's actually going to pay $7500 to be an intern because they want work experience. If you think that's what those reward levels are for, you are an idiot. The higher level "meet the PA staff" rewards are "buy some time with the PA staff so you can pitch your game and hope that they post about it on the blog". It's like political fundraising- nobody is actually paying $500,000 to have dinner with Obama because they want to see if he chews with his mouth open. anotherone fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 01:27
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Cicadalek posted:My biggest question about the PA kickstarter is why is it important to drop the adverts? What is having to run advertising preventing them from doing? What will they suddenly be able to do with 1 million a year from crowdfunding that they couldn't do with the same revenue from ads? I don't have anger for this because I don't really think KS is a competition since every creator brings their own audiences to it. If their fans want it so badly, then they can have it, I guess. If it means new interesting content comes as a result then i benefit without having to pledge at all. Not having to cater to advertisers is a creative thing as much as it is a business thing, although I never considered PA a site that worried about pissing advertisers off. But with PAX I guess they have some conflict of interest? I don't consider myself a PA fan so it's not like it matters to me one way or the other. I think the rewards are goofy and show some kind of contempt, but a fool and his money are soon parted, I guess. I'd rather they ran a KS for expanding PATV into a larger network and adding more series.
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Jul 11, 2012 01:29
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anotherone posted:They spend a lot of time making ads for companies, if they're not doing that they'll spend that time making comics. What's confusing about that?
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anotherone posted:They spend a lot of time making ads for companies, if they're not doing that they'll spend that time making comics. What's confusing about that? They haven't made any of those in something like two or three years now.
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NINbuntu 64 posted:They haven't made any of those in something like two or three years now. OK, then I guess that they're just lying, and they're going to take all of the money and not do any new content ever. It's what's known as the long con- I bet Tycho Brahe isn't even his real name. anotherone fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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anotherone posted:OK, then I guess that they're just lying, and they're going to take all of the money and not do any new content ever. It's what's known as the long con- I bet Tycho Brahe isn't even his real name. They're going to remove ads. That doesn't mean they are going to do new content with it. Also I'd rather have donated to some woman claiming the sun is talking to her than donate so P-A has no ads for a year, wow-whee. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 01:42
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Azure_Horizon posted:They're going to remove ads. That doesn't mean they are going to do new content with it. They promise nothing other than no-ads if they only hit their initial target, but it's clear they're going to shoot way past that.
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Jul 11, 2012 02:19
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Attention all lovers of quality gaming: the Kickstarter campaign for Defense Grid 2 has just launched! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hiddenpath/defense-grid-2 Defense Grid is the king of the tower defense games, and one of the best games I've played in the last decade. I've logged over 250 hours in it. It features true mazing, the ability to fast-forward and rewind time, and a sophisticated system of challenge modes for replaying maps you've beaten in the storyline. The rewards tiers include interesting things like video cards, Razor mice, bonus DLC for the original, and bonus copies of the original game. I feel young again.
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Jul 11, 2012 02:26
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Cydereal, for what it's worth, cydereal posted:Youtube (via TotalBiscuit) is the reason I didn't pledge. I find TotalBiscuit so totally annoying that I won't support anything he covers.
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Jul 11, 2012 02:38
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Quest For Glory II posted:Well, it does if they reach $550,000 according to their stretch goal infographic. They'll do a new Lookouts story. They also have a bunch of goal rewards listed as "Locked", who knows if those will be new content or just new site features. They should have, honestly, worded it so that way new content was the main focus (and no-ads just happened to be a sub-feature). Instead, it just seems like a waste of a Kickstarter.
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Verdugo posted:Cydereal, for what it's worth, Likewise. Which was kind of a tear for me, because Retrovirus seemed really neat.
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Wait, so anything the guy reviews you automatically won't buy? That's rather peculiar, to say the least. I mean, it would make some sort of sense if you were automatically and blindly hating everything the guy likes, but hating everything he reviews is just, well, peculiar. And if you're not supporting a game you think you'd like and otherwise want to support because someone you don't like reviewed it, of all things, than that's just a whole other level. What precisely am I missing here?
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Jul 11, 2012 02:45
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Possibly the beginnings of a new protection racket on Totalbiscuit's part.
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Achmed Jones posted:Wait, so anything the guy reviews you automatically won't buy? Anything that he actively pimps, I won't buy, yes, which is pretty much what Cydereal said he was doing (actively promoting the game and driving coverage of it).
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Jul 11, 2012 02:53
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Axegrinder posted:Attention all lovers of quality gaming: the Kickstarter campaign for Defense Grid 2 has just launched! I finally signed up for kickstarter because of this. I loved Defense Grid, and really my only gripe was that there wasn't multiplayer. They could just add multiplayer and some new maps and I would be set.
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Jul 11, 2012 02:59
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Kyrosiris posted:Anything that he actively pimps, I won't buy, yes, which is pretty much what Cydereal said he was doing (actively promoting the game and driving coverage of it). You know you're allowed to enjoy media that people you dislike advertise? Right?
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Jul 11, 2012 03:02
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Kyrosiris posted:Anything that he actively pimps, I won't buy, yes, which is pretty much what Cydereal said he was doing (actively promoting the game and driving coverage of it). Why does a particular youtube personality have any bearing on whether or not you consider a project worth your money? Is it because he enjoys things you don't like so his endorsement means there's a good chance it's not up your alley? Or is it just out of pure spite? If the latter... well, that's loving retarded. Also, gently caress yeah Defense Grid. Donated. Played the everloving crap out of the first one, never disappointed for a moment.
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Jul 11, 2012 03:04
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Kyrosiris posted:Anything that he actively pimps, I won't buy, yes, which is pretty much what Cydereal said he was doing (actively promoting the game and driving coverage of it).
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Being able to get a video card worth 130 bucks with a kickstarter pledge of 325 bucks seems like a good deal if you are interested in supporting it. They mention they are working with the video card company, but still I wonder how much this is costing them.
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Al! posted:The Penny Arcade kickstarter for some reason reminds me of this Onion headline: Ironic Porn Purchase Leads To Unironic Ejaculation(NWS) I just wonder how many of Penny Arcade's backers also thought that funding someone to do actual research and produce video essays was somehow equivalent to a scam, and did so with no cognitive dissonance whatsoever.
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I heard that TotalBiscuit is quite fond of breathing air and eating food as well. I think you see where I'm going with this. I also don't get the PA hate. Seems like they're being pretty up front about what they're doing and there's nothing evil or crafty or malicious or whatever it is that people are accusing them of going on. Just looks like they want to see if they can fund their site from fan donations without ads. If that's not worth any money to you, don't give them any money. Problem solved, right? There, I think I've offended most everyone here now.
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http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console Currently at $1.8 million and "Trending toward $57 million." Wow, this is moving fast. Does that watch still have the record at $10 million?
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Axegrinder posted:Attention all lovers of quality gaming: the Kickstarter campaign for Defense Grid 2 has just launched! Funding the everloving crap out of this, yessssss! Please happen! Defense Grid is the modernized Tower Defense era. It kickstarted one of my very favorite genres. More than happy to toss in what I can to help get development going on a sequel, this is unbelievably awesome!
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Axegrinder posted:Attention all lovers of quality gaming: the Kickstarter campaign for Defense Grid 2 has just launched! If you have a soul you'll donate to this kickstarter. Already so so so in. Downside is that now I'm going to drop other games for another playthrough of the campaign and DLC. Sigh.
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A million is a lofty goal but it's nice that they set up tiers. Frankly I'll be happy if they make it up to 500k so we can get some multiplayer Defense Grid action going on, that's basically the only element I felt was missing from the original.
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anotherone posted:OK, then I guess that they're just lying, and they're going to take all of the money and not do any new content ever. It's what's known as the long con- I bet Tycho Brahe isn't even his real name. Ah yes, because if it's one thing those Penny Arcade guys are known for, it's for delivering on content promised in a timely and useful manner oh wait charity strips Lookout comic nevermind.
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Axegrinder posted:Attention all lovers of quality gaming: the Kickstarter campaign for Defense Grid 2 has just launched! Why's this need a KS? It's a sequel to a relatively popular and successful game. Why can't they just make a sequel like everyone else does?
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YOURFRIEND posted:Why's this need a KS? It's a sequel to a relatively popular and successful game. Why can't they just make a sequel like everyone else does? Because gently caress publishers, that's why.
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YOURFRIEND posted:Why's this need a KS? It's a sequel to a relatively popular and successful game. Why can't they just make a sequel like everyone else does?
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You would just think that whomever published it the first time wouldn't have a hard time greenlighting the sequel to a popular IP.quote:Hidden Path Entertainment (HPE) has been an independent game developer for over 6 years, with 32 passionate employees and tons of experience making hit games. HPE currently is developing Counter-Strike: Global Offensive for Valve, the first major update to Counter-Strike in 8 years. Prior to that, Hidden Path created Defense Grid: The Awakening and released it on PC & Xbox 360. The team has developed games and projects for Valve, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. Yeah. They could just get valve to publish it if they were really that hard up for a publisher. This just looks like greed to me, to be honest. YOURFRIEND fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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YOURFRIEND posted:You would just think that whomever published it the first time wouldn't have a hard time greenlighting the sequel to a popular IP. Here's the reasoning, fresh from their website: [quote We've heard your requests, read your emails, seen your posts, and we have been investing for a while in a brand-spanking-new Defense Grid engine with all sorts of cool features and abilities, but we don't have enough internal financing to finish the full game development on our own. Knowing this, we decided to approach publishers to see if they wanted to partner on a Defense Grid sequel, and while everyone we talked with got very excited about it, over time, they didn't end up doing a deal with us as the profit model they were looking for was simply much larger than the what indies often make. [/quote]
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YOURFRIEND posted:Why's this need a KS? It's a sequel to a relatively popular and successful game. Why can't they just make a sequel like everyone else does?
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YOURFRIEND posted:Yeah. They could just get valve to publish it if they were really that hard up for a publisher. This just looks like greed to me, to be honest.
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YOURFRIEND posted:Yeah. They could just get valve to publish it if they were really that hard up for a publisher. This just looks like greed to me, to be honest.
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I'm not going to sneeze at it for being a Kickstarter-- they're contracted to Valve to produce CS:GO, no more and no less, and Valve probably isn't interested in hiring them to do anything else. What strikes me as awkward is that they're starting off with improvements to Defense Grid, and only going on to finance development on DG2 if they make far more than their funding target. They say they need a million more than they have, but they're asking for 250K (and presumably hoping to coast the rest of the way).
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