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Even if the Legion made progress in the west, they couldn't hold it - you can convince Lanius of this to make him retreat at the end. There's a big difference between fighting unorganised small groups of tribals, and the largest, most organised and advanced army in the post-war world. The Legion's refusal to use medical chems, or more advanced tech would hurt them too. It's interesting how people in the game compare Ceasar to House. But House offered the tribes the chance to work with him, and gave them access to his resources, and stays largely out of politics and personal freedoms, aiming instead to bulid a thriving economy, for Vegas and the people who live there. Ceasar, however, brutally murders people, crushes the cultural identity of those he captures, brain washes the children to mindlessly serve the Legion, and encourages awful crimes against women, in order to force his own facist society on the wasteland. Seriously go through Siri's dialogue, and see if safe trade routes are worth that. House is pretty chill, Ceasar is just a well spoken monster.  I love how the writing is that good, we're still talking about this, after the game has been out so long.
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OldMemes posted:I love how the writing is that good, we're still talking about this, after the game has been out so long. Fortunately Obsidian profitted from the good work they did on this game and... oh... oh wait 
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victrix posted:Fortunately Obsidian profitted from the good work they did on this game and... oh... oh wait  Are they not going to do the next one? I thought Fallout:NV was a lot more popular than Fallout 3?
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He's talking about how Obsidian worked out a deal with Bethesda where they'd get a larger amount of royalties if they got an 85+ reviewer metascore, and none if they got less (as opposed to a decidedly smaller portion of royalties, but guaranteed nonetheless, had they gone with "just give us royalties regardless of the metascore"). Bethesda really hosed 'em and it's pretty bullshit that this is the situation Obsidian faces, but I guess the moral of the story is gently caress games journalism.
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The White Dragon posted:He's talking about how Obsidian worked out a deal with Bethesda where they'd get a larger amount of royalties if they got an 85+ reviewer metascore, and none if they got less (as opposed to a decidedly smaller portion of royalties, but guaranteed nonetheless, had they gone with "just give us royalties regardless of the metascore"). Wow...That's actually really terrible. Bethesda is the Legion of gaming.
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:Wow...That's actually really terrible. Worse when you hear that they got a score of 84.
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How did that go down? Did they think they could easily pull 85+ enough to agree or were they in such a desperate bind they had no bargaining power to negotiate something more reasonable? Shits hosed yo.
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The entire concept is loving retarded. Literally the fate of their company in the hands of the monkies that write gaming reviews. Yes that's right, wheezing youtube guy got 30+ people sacked from Obsidian, then went to bed comfortably hugging his anime pillow. (I might be exaggerating... but only a little.) This isn't really new, or news though, dev/pub relations have been awful for an eternity, and while it looks completely evil, there are reasons pubs have to make tight contracts, or they get hosed by endless moneypit devs and go out of business themselves. ... what I'm saying is, Obsidian are cool guys and buy Wasteland 2 and more indie games I guess?
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Berk Berkly posted:How did that go down? Did they think they could easily pull 85+ enough to agree or were they in such a desperate bind they had no bargaining power to negotiate something more reasonable? Chris Avellone's Deleted Tweet posted:[Fallout: New Vegas] was a straight payment, no royalties, only a bonus if we got an 85+ on Metacritic, which we didn't
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Nope! Fallout 3 was by Bethesda, and was less thinky and more shooty, and had better QA and fewer crashes. Go back and read contemporary reviews of Fallout 3 and New Vegas- it's actually kind of stunning in retrospect.
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I never had a crash in NV playing since the initial release. You know.. unless I was loving with the console something fierce.
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Jul 19, 2012 02:55
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Pope Guilty posted:Go back and read contemporary reviews of Fallout 3 and New Vegas- it's actually kind of stunning in retrospect. New Vegas hit after the grace period had expired, and didn't change things up enough to get the same pass that Bethesda earns. Also I think Obsidian's buggy reputation is hard to shake off, everyone is looking for confirmation.
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Rebel Blob posted:Bethesda has really hit a pattern where the problems their games have aren't acknowledged at release, at least by the gaming press. A year later everyone can agree on the weak points, but the same journalists who glossed over problems when reviewing the last Bethesda release will point out how all those dreadful problems are fixed when it comes time to promote the next Bethesda game. This has repeated from Oblivion to Fallout 3 to Skyrim, and I'm sure we will see it in action again. "Games Journalism"
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OldMemes posted:Even if the Legion made progress in the west, they couldn't hold it - you can convince Lanius of this to make him retreat at the end. There's a big difference between fighting unorganised small groups of tribals, and the largest, most organised and advanced army in the post-war world. The Legion's refusal to use medical chems, or more advanced tech would hurt them too. You seem to be portraying the Legion as this bumbling group that wouldn't stand a chance against the NCR, and the NCR as this organised juggernaut that it's not. The NCR were just able to turn back the Legion at Boulder City, and it was essentially a Pyrrhic victory. If anything, it's suggested that the two groups are on equal footing (hence the PC playing an integral role in leading one side to victory.) It's also somewhat laughable that you're taking the extremes of both situations to prove your point: You describe the Legion solely by its flaws, apply those flaws wholesale, and pick a single thing it has made in return: only safe trade routes.
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Kharmakazy posted:I never had a crash in NV playing since the initial release. You know.. unless I was loving with the console something fierce.  I had repeated crashes when trying to trigger OWB, crashes when fast travelling from The Sink Balcony, crashes randomly all over the Mojave. Seriously though who the hell would agree to a deal like that, Obsidian? You're confident about your game and that's cool, but why play double or nothing with stuff like that? e: requoting, I'll settle for just adding the perk Synonymous posted:Is there a way I can force Veronica to trigger her dialogue regarding Dead Money's Elijah's Holomessage? My Dead Money bugged out hard and I needed to use console commands to get the gently caress out/trigger the end slides, so any console commands that Synonymous fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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Synonymous posted:Seriously though who the hell would agree to a deal like that, Obsidian? You're confident about your game and that's cool, but why play double or nothing with stuff like that? (Something about New Vegas odds)
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:You seem to be portraying the Legion as this bumbling group that wouldn't stand a chance against the NCR, and the NCR as this organised juggernaut that it's not. The NCR were just able to turn back the Legion at Boulder City, and it was essentially a Pyrrhic victory. If anything, it's suggested that the two groups are on equal footing (hence the PC playing an integral role in leading one side to victory.) Yes, the NCR is a majorly flawed government, but after listening to what some of the NPCs have to say, and watching the slides for an Legion ending, it's pretty clear that the Legion is deeply evil. Seriously, Boone's story about his wife is one of the saddest moments in the game. The Legion is basically a cult based around Ceasar, not a form of government - hence why it's called Ceasar's Legion, not just "the Legion", without Ceasar, the whole thing will fall apart. The NCR can just elect a new president, but without Ceasar the Legion will just become a power vacumn. Screw Legion and NCR, support House. It makes sense.
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House is a dick hiding behind the proceeds of over two centuries of exploiting the labor of others. Yes Man uber alles!
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Pope Guilty posted:Nope! Fallout 3 was by Bethesda, and was less thinky and more shooty, and had better QA and fewer crashes. Go back and read contemporary reviews of Fallout 3 and New Vegas- it's actually kind of stunning in retrospect. Does anyone know the sales figures and budgets for Fallout 3 and New Vegas? The only way I can see Obsidian getting FO4 is if NV made a much bigger profit then 3.
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Sam. posted:Does anyone know the sales figures and budgets for Fallout 3 and New Vegas? New Vegas outsold Fallout 3, as I recall. I doubt it cost more to make, as well.
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Pope Guilty posted:House is a dick hiding behind the proceeds of over two centuries of exploiting the labor of others. Yes Man uber alles! Actually, if I remember correctly, he built up most of his wealth and 'servants' then retreated to his pod thingy before the bombs dropped. He also spent a good chunk of his time after the war in a coma due to a system fault. It wasn't until the NCR stumbled on to Hoover Dam that he whipped New Vegas into shape.
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Rebel Blob posted:Also I think Obsidian's buggy reputation is hard to shake off, everyone is looking for confirmation.
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rope kid posted:Dungeon Siege III is stable as hell and had very few bugs at launch. Using our own engine helped. And yet no one seems to notice or care. I haven't played DS3 (shame upon me) but you guys deserve good reviews just for breaking out of your so-called "trademark" of many bugs.
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rope kid posted:Dungeon Siege III is stable as hell and had very few bugs at launch. Using our own engine helped. DS3 is indeed a great example of what you can do when not working with another developer's half-assed and buggy engine. Unfortunately it was also kind of mediocre so nobody really cares when you cite it as an example of when Obsidian didn't release a buggy game. OldMemes posted:Yes, the NCR is a majorly flawed government, but after listening to what some of the NPCs have to say, and watching the slides for an Legion ending, it's pretty clear that the Legion is deeply evil. Seriously, Boone's story about his wife is one of the saddest moments in the game. The Legion is basically a cult based around Ceasar, not a form of government - hence why it's called Ceasar's Legion, not just "the Legion", without Ceasar, the whole thing will fall apart. The NCR can just elect a new president, but without Ceasar the Legion will just become a power vacumn. The problem here is that you make the assumption that the Legion is some kind of war machine and nothing more, when there lands have been said to be the most peaceful in the wasteland. Without Caesar there ambitions of spreading farther and overtaking the NCR may be gone, sure, but you still have a united people in a society that is extremely harsh towards any who stray outside their boundaries of law and morality. Davos fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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So I'm trying to load my game and with about 3 tries now, every one sits at the loading screen for about 5 minutes, and won't let me Alt-Tab. I use Ctl-Alt-Delete to close the program and it says it's not responding. Did I just lose my save game?
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Danyull posted:So I'm trying to load my game and with about 3 tries now, every one sits at the loading screen for about 5 minutes, and won't let me Alt-Tab. I use Ctl-Alt-Delete to close the program and it says it's not responding. Did I just lose my save game? Start a new game or load an earlier, functioning save. Once it loads, load the problematic save file. IF it loads, delete the problematic save file and make a clean save. EDIT: Missing masters usually cause immediate CTDs, though, not hanging loads. VVVVV Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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Also make sure you've crossed the Ts and dotted the Is on your mod load order, if you have any mods that are .esms not loaded and you load mods that require those .esms, poo poo will get hosed up.
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Even after having spent hundreds of hours on the PS3 version of NV, I snagged the complete edition off of the Steam sale and am having a blast. Ropekid's personal mod has made the game feel like a whole new experience, and I am having as much fun with it as I did when the game first released. Question though, what's an easily repeatable way to raise your Karma positively? I'm trying to manage a playthrough where I recruit each of the companions and complete their personal quests, but by the time I get out of Goodsprings my Karma is always tanked because I just can't stop from taking all of the valuable items those idiots leave all over town (not to mention that a lot of the best loot in the game is flagged such that it has to be stolen). This isn't normally a huge deal for anything other than trying to recruit Cass and perform her quest, because she gets super bitchy about you having bad Karma. I've already given Boxcars the max amount of Med-X (although that was hours of play time ago) and I know that there's always ghoul / fiend hunting, but I was hoping there was something similar to donating fresh water to the homeless dudes in FO3 - something that I can gear up for and perform repeatedly with minimal hassle. I checked the wiki and the only things it lists are killing fiends / ghouls or giving Boxcars the Med-X the one time. Has anyone discovered anything else? I suppose I could just console the problem away, but I'm trying to do this without cheating, so to speak.
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homeless poster posted:I checked the wiki and the only things it lists are killing fiends / ghouls or giving Boxcars the Med-X the one time. Has anyone discovered anything else? I suppose I could just console the problem away, but I'm trying to do this without cheating, so to speak. The problem is that jsawyer changes some karma values, so the wiki won't be accurate. Try stealth-killing some Powder Gangers and see if you get good karma from it.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:The problem is that jsawyer changes some karma values, so the wiki won't be accurate. Try stealth-killing some Powder Gangers and see if you get good karma from it.  Yeah, I know I can just go headhunting and hopefully raise my karma back to neutral, but I was really hoping not to have to do that (it's just tedious and wastes perfectly good ammo). I'm actually playing a smooth talking dude who doesn't go out of his way to just murder folks, so I didn't really want to just go on a murder spree, even if the game does justify it by making all criminals unrepentant assholes (save that one dude you can elect to be Sheriff of Primm).The funny thing is that my character hasn't done anything quest related that would earn negative karma, I just steal everything even if it's nailed down and on fire. Guess it's time to whip up a mod that removes the karma penalty for stealing because that is seriously a dumb thing. EDIT: On that note, if I use the console to reset my Karma and then save the game, quit out, and start it up again, will the Steam achievements be permanently disabled on that save file forever, or are they just disabled fort the session in which I am currently playing?
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homeless poster posted:achievements...disabled for the session in which I am currently playing? This one.
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You can donate medical goods to the Followers, I think. I would hope that would give you good karma.homeless poster posted:The funny thing is that my character hasn't done anything quest related that would earn negative karma, I just steal everything even if it's nailed down and on fire. Guess it's time to whip up a mod that removes the karma penalty for stealing because that is seriously a dumb thing. One day, a mysterious rear end in a top hat comes through and takes it, along with everything in your house you worked all your life for. He takes everything you've struggled to earn in this godforsaken place for years, and he sells it all for less than 100 caps to a local merchant. Sorry. You're an rear end in a top hat and deserve your lovely karma.
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Eiba posted:You can donate medical goods to the Followers, I think. I would hope that would give you good karma. You know, I can completely see where you're going with that, but unfortunately the game just doesn't get the chance to give me that impression. Take skill books for instance - they're one of the most useful items that you can possibly find, and about half of them are tagged as needing to be stolen if you want to acquire them. Instead of having the Courier eat them immediately after reading them, why can't there be an option to have to go on a quest for the owner of each book in order to have them give it to you? Then, you could have just one book for each skill that gives a +20 bonus, rather than four to seven books for each skill that give a +2-4 bonus. You could still keep skill magazines in as the throwback items to FO 1/2 that are one use, and at the same time it'd make a hell of a lot more sense for the Courier to have to ask permission to read this fabled tome of knowledge, rather than having it be a semi-uncommon delicacy that can only improve your abilities if you consume it completely. Also, it really makes no sense when you consider areas with items that are tagged as needing to be stolen when there aren't any compelling reasons for this to be the case. Why do I need to "steal" old food from the fridge of an abandoned factory that is solely staffed by malfunctioning robots? What possible moral value are they deriving from a fridge full of Dandyboy Apples?
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You can reverse the karmic backlash from stealing everything by slaughtering anyone that could ever pose a threat to the ones who you've disarmed. Or, failing that, there are some perks you can take. Genocide or perks.
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homeless poster posted:Also, it really makes no sense when you consider areas with items that are tagged as needing to be stolen when there aren't any compelling reasons for this to be the case. Why do I need to "steal" old food from the fridge of an abandoned factory that is solely staffed by malfunctioning robots? What possible moral value are they deriving from a fridge full of Dandyboy Apples? And as for skill books and other semi-unique items, I stole all of them that were owned, in J.E. Sawyer's mod even, and never had any karma issues. There aren't that many of them. Stealing a few items, even a dozen or so total, won't make much of a difference overall. To really crater your karma like that, to the point that Cass is getting upset about it, you've got to be stealing a ton of poo poo you don't need... even if it might mean the world to the poor sap who actually owned it. Or else you've been making the wrong choices in quests. There are a ton of opportunities to get karma bonuses and penalties in all sorts of different quests. I have no idea what you might have done, but that mod generally makes karma sane, so if it's calling you evil, I trust there's a reason.
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Oh, on the note of the whole "Legion falls if Caesar dies" thing some of you keep mentioning, I recall Boone saying something if you talk to him after killing Caesar with him in your party about him having an entire line of succession, so even the death of Caesar wouldn't really slow the Legion down terribly. Course, if Caesar were to die AND they get pushed back at the drat who knows.
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I steal pretty much everything. I pick goodsprings clean. My karma is always fine. Kill a few bad guys and you can basically steal whatever you want in my experience.
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Yeah, if you don't use the JSawyer mod or something else that tweaks karma, it's pretty much impossible to go negative unless you murder every last good-aligned person in the Wasteland. My first character was a selfish, thieving, unrepentant killer who put people into two categories: people who do what I want them to, and people who get shot. The Mojave still sang my praises as its new messiah though I like to pretend it was out of fear, and every major faction thought I was on their side (except House, who was dead) until I turned on them all for an Indie Vegas right at the Hoover Dam battle. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jul 19, 2012 |
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Danyull posted:So I'm trying to load my game and with about 3 tries now, every one sits at the loading screen for about 5 minutes, and won't let me Alt-Tab. I use Ctl-Alt-Delete to close the program and it says it's not responding. Did I just lose my save game? What CoP said. Otherwise try typing pcb in the console.
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