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OldMemes posted:
Remove "NCR" from that list and you might have a true statement 
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Penis Ouija posted:Started a 9 STR/9 END/9 LCK/Unarmed run, and holy jesus punching everything to death is so viscerally satisfying. Now I'm regretting not changing up my skills more thoroughly on previous reruns. That Vault... 3? place with all the Fiends outside was kicking my rear end for about thirty minutes until I realised how many drugs I had in my pocket. I promptly took them all and Turboed around in a buffed-out blur, making people explode into giblets with my brass knuckles. TLDR 
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Jul 27, 2012 05:52
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And Ropekid, if you ever get to work on another Fallout game again, you have to put a record company or a copyright law firm in the game and have the terminals reveal that the reason there is no new music in the games is due to the fallout universe having spawned it's own version of the RIAA, which fearing for loss of capital due to easily copied and nearly indestructible Halotapes, launched a massive misinformation campaign followed by a series of aggressive lawsuits establishing that new music would only be recorded and sold on Fallout's RIAA approved Halotapes, which were intentionally designed to wear out. So 200 years later the world is stuck with nothing but old records.
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Jul 27, 2012 06:08
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I wonder where Caesar found enough football equipment for an entire army.
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Jul 27, 2012 06:37
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:I wonder where Caesar found enough football equipment for an entire army. Something, something, Penn State.
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Jul 27, 2012 06:40
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Wolfsheim posted:So completely would've owned. I refer back to my earlier rant post on House for why he is a far less solid choice than he appears. One man distantly ruling over Vegas while developing new tech for mankind can only end badly if he ever dies, which wouldn't be terribly hard so long as someone could just get into the Lucky 38, or if there was some random error with his life-support system. 20-30 years down the line under a House leadership the Strip would be so dependent on him for protection and using all this fancy tech nobody else fully understands that things would fall apart if he suddenly died. It's similar to the Legion's long-term survivability in terms of leadership really, except that House is almost certain to have more time left than Caesar, but arguably his goals of scientific advancement and space travel are even more difficult to achieve than turning the Legion from a conquering horde into a stable empire.
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Jul 27, 2012 07:23
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Davos posted:I refer back to my earlier rant post on House for why he is a far less solid choice than he appears. One man distantly ruling over Vegas while developing new tech for mankind can only end badly if he ever dies, which wouldn't be terribly hard so long as someone could just get into the Lucky 38, or if there was some random error with his life-support system. 20-30 years down the line under a House leadership the Strip would be so dependent on him for protection and using all this fancy tech nobody else fully understands that things would fall apart if he suddenly died. It's similar to the Legion's long-term survivability in terms of leadership really, except that House is almost certain to have more time left than Caesar, but arguably his goals of scientific advancement and space travel are even more difficult to achieve than turning the Legion from a conquering horde into a stable empire. Counterpoint: House mentions briefly that, after all the hubbub is over with Hoover Dam, he will freely share his life-extending technologies with you, the Courier. So if House dies, guess who assumes control as the new immortal ruler of Vegas, presumably after years of being prepped as his protege (it is, after all, the only ending where the Courier sticks around)?
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Jul 27, 2012 07:29
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Wolfsheim posted:Counterpoint: House mentions briefly that, after all the hubbub is over with Hoover Dam, he will freely share his life-extending technologies with you, the Courier. So if House dies, guess who assumes control as the new immortal ruler of Vegas, presumably after years of being prepped as his protege (it is, after all, the only ending where the Courier sticks around)? Same end result there then as in the Yes Man endings, except you're living through a machine and essentially detached from humanity in the same way House is. I don't think anybody will argue though that, for the Courier, House and Independent endings are easily the best for you. Living a life of luxury under House and acting as his lieutenant, or ruling New Vegas yourself and still probably living a life of luxury. Meanwhile the NCR and Legion both seem to kinda just go "Alright well thanks for the help Courier. Here's some money. I guess you can stay, if you want, just don't get in the way any more."
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Jul 27, 2012 07:35
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Davos posted:One man distantly ruling over Vegas while developing new tech for mankind can only end badly if he ever dies, which wouldn't be terribly hard so long as someone could just get into the Lucky 38, or if there was some random error with his life-support system. 20-30 years down the line under a House leadership the Strip would be so dependent on him for protection and using all this fancy tech nobody else fully understands that things would fall apart if he suddenly died. First point, people have been trying to break into the 38 since the bombs dropped. No one has ever succeed. One of the reasons that Yes Man, Ceaser and the NCR all want you on their side is that you are the only person in the Mojave with any chance of killing House, because you're the only person he lets through his security. Second point, House's life support has been working for centuries, it's not going to crap out any time soon. Third point, why do you assume that House would be the only person who understands how to use the tech he develops? He's fully aware that he can't do everything himeself, that's why he hires you in the first place. You can't build what he's dreaming of without a support structure and you can't have a support structure without trained workers. He'll need scientists and engineers to build his space program and that means an educational system. A good one. Even if he somehow died thirty years down the line there would be plenty of people capable of using technology around.
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Jul 27, 2012 07:44
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True enough, true enough. I suppose I'm just trying to find flaws in House's ending since, other than the whole dictatorship thing, his ending seems like it's so obviously the objective best for the people of the Mojave, and I dislike that. I still assert that he's building himself to be a god-like figure in the eyes of the people of Vegas, whether it's deliberately done or not. And he's an arrogant rear end much of the time.
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Jul 27, 2012 07:50
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Davos posted:Same end result there then as in the Yes Man endings, except you're living through a machine and essentially detached from humanity in the same way House is. Well, the House and Yes Man endings don't necessarily destroy the NCR or the Legion, they just have a new buffer state between them. In the case of the NCR it might actually help them out. Since it would stop some of the big complaints against them, their forced expansion and corrupt government. The loss at Hoover Dam could lead to some reformists getting elected, hopefully cutting down on the corruption, and a possible reform of the military, similar to the U.S. military after Vietnam. The Legion would probably be a bit worse off, since it is more a marauding army than an actual state. So Caesar could try to change things up and try to just found a New Rome, or he could try to keep the soldiers happy by turning them North, South, or East for more pillaging and raping.
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Jul 27, 2012 08:09
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I may be biased since I favor the NCR but the complaint that they are corrupt expansionists could be equally applied to House. Expansion is part of his grand plan and his notion that he is infallible denotes a corruption at the core of his being. He's not a bad guy but his actions speak pretty loudly despite his words. While he has brought some stability to Vegas, he's put corrupt, horrifying tribes in charge of operations while Vegas itself is very much split into a hill of haves and a ghetto of have-nots. He's also rebuilt Vegas, a corrupt city known for eating up, chewing up, and spitting people back out. The NCR is definitely no picnic but most of the decent human beings in the game comes from the NCR, whether they work for the government, they're traders, they're idealists, or they're former Enclavers. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Jul 27, 2012 10:06
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Seeing as bethesda are going to be busy with the elder scrolls mmo any chance they'll give Obsidian the creation engine and ask them to do Fallout 4? Even if it didn't get an 85% on metacritic, New vegas must have made piles of loot.
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Jul 27, 2012 10:20
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JohnnyBigPotatoes posted:Seeing as bethesda are going to be busy with the elder scrolls mmo any chance they'll give Obsidian the creation engine and ask them to do Fallout 4? Sadly, a completely separate team is making the MMO.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:32
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I straight up will probably never buy another Bethesda game ever again. I pray they let Obsidian do Fallout. Just throw some money at them and let them do whatever they want.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:34
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bloodychill posted:I may be biased since I favor the NCR but the complaint that they are corrupt expansionists could be equally applied to House. Expansion is part of his grand plan and his notion that he is infallible denotes a corruption at the core of his being. He's not a bad guy but his actions speak pretty loudly despite his words. While he has brought some stability to Vegas, he's put corrupt, horrifying tribes in charge of operations while Vegas itself is very much split into a hill of haves and a ghetto of have-nots. He's also rebuilt Vegas, a corrupt city known for eating up, chewing up, and spitting people back out. agree, i've never understood the dislike towards the NCR. To me they seem like the guys trying to help rebuild civilization. My tendency in every game I play through has been to gravitate towards them.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:42
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They do a lot of things that, while understandable in the context of human fear and ignorance, are very very bad, namely slaughtering civilians at Bitter Springs and trying to disperse Jacobstown.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:44
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Wasse posted:agree, i've never understood the dislike towards the NCR. To me they seem like the guys trying to help rebuild civilization. My tendency in every game I play through has been to gravitate towards them. I gravitate toward them for gameplay reasons, mainly because you are cut off from certain quests/items if you mess with them. The Legion on the other hand only cuts you off from the Lucky Shades which you can still get without pissing anyone off.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:45
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Hey so... I'm pretty much out of luck in becoming a (veteran) Desert Ranger, right? WIll they ever give me that gear? I don't want to kill one for it, because... well, this is an NCR run, that would be bad.
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Jul 27, 2012 11:58
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Hey so... I'm pretty much out of luck in becoming a (veteran) Desert Ranger, right? WIll they ever give me that gear? I don't want to kill one for it, because... well, this is an NCR run, that would be bad. IIRC the NCR safehouse has a suit and you can also find one or two on dead rangers. Failing that the Honest Hearts DLC has a desert-themed variation of it.
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Jul 27, 2012 12:00
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Really the main reason to get chummy with the NCR is so you can buy stuff from their quartermaster at Hoover Dam. Nobody else matches him for the sheer volume of ammo he sells.
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Jul 27, 2012 12:18
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poptart_fairy posted:IIRC the NCR safehouse has a suit and you can also find one or two on dead rangers. Failing that the Honest Hearts DLC has a desert-themed variation of it.
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Jul 27, 2012 12:51
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I think that House's dialogue if you remove him from his tube shows his real character. There's none of the smooth businessman, just a man utterly defeated. He sounds so heartbroken if you tell him that you're working with Ceasar.He also says that even if you didn't like him, he could have given you anything you wanted, and you could have worked together for the greater good.  And he's classed as a "good" character, karma wise. I hope Ropekid works on the next Fallout game - it's nice to see someone who has such a good understanding and respect for the franchise and setting. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Jul 27, 2012 14:46
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OldMemes posted:I think that House's dialogue if you remove him from his tube shows his real character. There's none of the smooth businessman, just a man utterly defeated. He is "good" because he was the proverbial god of the Fallout Universe. Without him, the Vault Dweller, the Lone Wander and the Chosen One and most certainly not the Courier will be able to survive the wasteland. He brought upon a cornucopia of inventions which gave you the ability to survive the wasteland. That little device on your hand allowed you to save or drat humanity. gyrobot fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Jul 27, 2012 15:40
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JohnnyBigPotatoes posted:Seeing as bethesda are going to be busy with the elder scrolls mmo any chance they'll give Obsidian the creation engine and ask them to do Fallout 4? This is what I've been hoping for since Skyrim came out. Sadly it probably won't happen but maybe there's hope for Fallout 4.5 
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Jul 27, 2012 15:42
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Heti posted:This is what I've been hoping for since Skyrim came out. Sadly it probably won't happen but maybe there's hope for Fallout 4.5 There's no probably about it, it WON'T happen. Bethesda bought the Fallout IP for a reason, they're going to make the next game. One of their other studios is doing the MMO. I would be surprised if Todd Howard's team hasn't already started development on Fallout 4. I'm not crying like the rest of you over the thought of another Bethesda developed Fallout. Their games have gotten consistently more fun to play, and I like the direction their company has taken with regards to things like DLC, and patches. To me it seems like they keep learning from their mistakes as they keep making games and that bodes well for the future.
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Jul 27, 2012 16:03
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Wolfsheim posted:Counterpoint: House mentions briefly that, after all the hubbub is over with Hoover Dam, he will freely share his life-extending technologies with you, the Courier. So if House dies, guess who assumes control as the new immortal ruler of Vegas, presumably after years of being prepped as his protege (it is, after all, the only ending where the Courier sticks around)? Am I wrong in thinking this is true? Been awhile since I finished the game let alone a yes man ending. I seem to remember the Courier basically just nodding his head and that ending and wandering off his job done there. Not pulling up a chair and crowning himself the new king. Also for the sake of discussion I've never been able to finish with House. Everything he says is so clearly paper thin. As others said he only really cares about himself, and maybe a few of whatever cronies HE deems worthy to tag along. Personally I always preferred the Yes Man ending because it seemed like the one that would benefit the Followers of the Apocalypse the most. They were the ones I always imagine my character to really be working for.
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Jul 27, 2012 16:06
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HappyHelmet posted:Am I wrong in thinking this is true? Been awhile since I finished the game let alone a yes man ending. I seem to remember the Courier basically just nodding his head and that ending and wandering off his job done there. Not pulling up a chair and crowning himself the new king. I'm pretty sure it leaves that ambiguous.
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Jul 27, 2012 16:10
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Epi Lepi posted:There's no probably about it, it WON'T happen. Bethesda bought the Fallout IP for a reason, they're going to make the next game. One of their other studios is doing the MMO. I would be surprised if Todd Howard's team hasn't already started development on Fallout 4. Too bad their writing is still completely terrible. Everything else has gotten a lot better though, you're right.
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Jul 27, 2012 16:19
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Heti posted:Too bad their writing is still completely terrible. Everything else has gotten a lot better though, you're right. It's good enough for sandbox games. If they were trying to put out RPGs like other developers do where the whole point of the game is the EPIC STORY I'd be harder on it, but since the writing isn't as much of a draw to me as the setting and atmosphere I can let some goofy-rear end writing slide. Not saying they shouldn't improve though, and I think they've occasionally had some brilliant side plots in their games, but besides Morrowind their main plots lack. I never did do the main quests in Oblivion or Skyrim, I always get sidetracked with guilds and side quests.
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Jul 27, 2012 16:38
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The thing about Bethesda is that it seems like they're really great at creating an interesting world with events going on that are worth experiencing, but are really bad at giving you stuff to do in that world that's as interesting. This was especially the case with Skyrim, to me. Just look at the civil war: it's pretty much the main big event of the game's backstory (other than the war with the Thalmor on a larger scale), everyone talks about it constantly, there's tons of depth between character in their thoughts on the war, how it started, who's really on the right side, etc. Yet when you try and actually take part in it? 2 or 3 fetch quests per side, then go kill some guys with like 5 braindead soldiers on their your side, and then bam you've won the civil war on your own. No political intright, no great battles, just fetch quests and some fighting.
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Jul 27, 2012 18:46
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Davos posted:The thing about Bethesda is that it seems like they're really great at creating an interesting world with events going on that are worth experiencing, but are really bad at giving you stuff to do in that world that's as interesting. This was especially the case with Skyrim, to me. Just look at the civil war: it's pretty much the main big event of the game's backstory (other than the war with the Thalmor on a larger scale), everyone talks about it constantly, there's tons of depth between character in their thoughts on the war, how it started, who's really on the right side, etc. Yet when you try and actually take part in it? 2 or 3 fetch quests per side, then go kill some guys with like 5 braindead soldiers on their your side, and then bam you've won the civil war on your own. No political intright, no great battles, just fetch quests and some fighting. Isn't that what all wars are really? A few fetch quests then some fighting. Heck, we failed the fetch quest to find proof of WMDs, so we made a bluff check and skipped to the fighting!
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Jul 27, 2012 19:28
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Bethesd'a strong point is definitely world-building. The main storylines of Fallout 3 and Skyrim are snorefests, but the worlds of those games reward incidental exploration better than anything else I've played (other than maybe the Baldur's Gate games.)
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Jul 27, 2012 19:33
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I always found it weird how the in-game books in ES games are so well written and have such interesting stories compared to the plot in the actual games.
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Jul 27, 2012 20:22
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Davos posted:I always found it weird how the in-game books in ES games are so well written and have such interesting stories compared to the plot in the actual games.
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Jul 27, 2012 21:10
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Just wanted to chime in because I finally bought the DLCs through the Steam summer sale. Old World Blues was amazing. I love how Obsidian managed to create a "parallel" world to Mojave. It's almost as lengthy as an extension of its own, I loved it. I wish I could go back and pay the full price now that I know I liked it. I love how the robots were written, even if maybe sometimes the dialogues dragged on for too long. You get a huge info dump when you first meet the Think Tank (loving the pun by the way) and then not much. I feel it wasn't really clearly communicated to me that leaving my brain with Dr Mobius meant while going back to the Think Tank meant I would have to give up on it, but that's fine. I also loved how you get a real sense of closure at the end, as you know exactly what happens as a result of your actions. I couldn't help but imagine the Obsidian guys with a  face and saying "See BioWare, it's not that hard." The Lonesome Road was amazing for immersion, but I felt that Ulysses didn't make much sense. Too mystic for me maybe. Yet I remember my girlfriend calling me at 1am when I thought it was still 11pm. When time flies like this, you know you've got a good game. Also very good game design to remove ED-E around the end. Since the map is full of enemies in a complex environment, when you lose his ability you really get a sense of danger that you wouldn't have felt if you never had the ability in the first place.  I loving love Obsidian and they make the best games, I don't care what everybody says. What bugs? gently caress your bugs, I'll have bugs any day if that means I get to play a proper RPG. rope kid posted:Writing compelling dialogue requires a different skill set than writing compelling exposition. This is why somebody at EA needs to come to their senses and have you guys involved in DA3 somehow. And thanks in advance for Wastelands 2. Furism fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Jul 27, 2012 22:14
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Isn't Chris Avellone the only Obsidian guy working on Wasteland?
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Jul 27, 2012 22:22
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Yeah, I think with Skyrim and the DLC Bethesda has made some big gains in the quality area, to the point where while I certainly have other developers I'd much rather see it from, I wouldn't mind a Fallout 4 from them. Back to New Vegas, I legitimately feel the Legion would be hands down better at dealing with the waste and its creatures. That said, the mere existence of the NCR would indicate we're living in a post-"the greatest threat to human life is horrifying giant things eating us all" society
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Jul 27, 2012 22:23
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CommissarMega posted:Isn't Chris Avellone the only Obsidian guy working on Wasteland? This is correct, it's just Chris, not the rest of the studio.
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I'm about to start my second proper run-through, and play Lonesome Road for the first time. It came out right after I finished my first run, but I decided to hold off simply because I knew someday I'd want another adventure in the Mojave and it would be awesome to have something left to uncover. I have new content for my favorite game of all time. I hate that Zenimax seems to have shafted Obsidian over a single metacritic point, but I too still hope they can reconcile and give us an Fallout 4.5.
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