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Nephilm posted:The plot of DoW2 has little to do with the DoW novel and outright contradicts it in several ways. Would not be GW unless the fluff contradicts.
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Also playing as nids the plot (for the Redemption expansion) would mostly be just "OM (NOM)* <end game>" with none of the actual story involved. Even as 40k plots go it was a retarded one.
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Jul 30, 2012 03:53
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They need to steal from Starcraft some more and just have an alpha+ psyker become the Queen of Blades.
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Jul 30, 2012 03:59
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The Ork plot of Retribution is fine because in the end because one of their main motivations is to get the Inquisitor's fancy hat. Screw your gear and relics, the Captain just wants to look smashing.
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Trast posted:The Ork plot of Retribution is fine because in the end because one of their main motivations is to get the Inquisitor's fancy hat. Screw your gear and relics, the Captain just wants to look smashing. The Ork campaign for that game is literally the only good part of the single player though.
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dongsbot 9000 posted:They need to steal from Starcraft some more and just have an alpha+ psyker become the Queen of Blades. Ugh, I hate when people go and do this. There is nothing worse than someone saying that 40K is a ripoff of Starcraft. Starcraft is just a gigantic rip off of Tremors and comparing it in any way to 40K is just wrong. Actually, now that I think about it, 40K is ripped off of Dune, and Dune is a retroactive rip off of Tremors as well. (And yes, my intent is to be sarcastic and make fun of the people who go back and forth on the whole "who ripped off who" argument. Everyone rips off everyone because that is how cultural influence works. That being said, I was still kind of annoyed that Gameinformer listed Space Marines as #5 on their list of the best Space Marines. It just seemed kind of odd. Like listing astronaut ice cream above regular ice cream on the list of the best ice cream like substance. Wow, I kind of ranted a bit here. Personally, I don't really get why people are upset about the ending/story line of the Nid campaign of DOW 2 Retribution. Nids eat things, and that is pretty much it... until Matt Ward gets a hold of them. Then I am sure they will get some sort of fleshed out backstory and will be portrayed as misunderstood. I personally can't read C.S. Gotos codex tie in novel about the Hive Tyrant Slashymurderkitten and his adventures along side the Ordo Xenos as they try and solve a Dark Tyranid cult's plot to stop the big Carnifex Surf off. (seriously, why am I trying to get through the Dawn of War Omnibus again? All it does is bring me pain, but at the same time, I paid money for it so I feel obligated.) Anyway, does anyone know if "Sons of Dorn" is good or not? I found it at a yard sale for 15 cents and decided to pick it up.
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I feel really bad for C.S. Goto because I was at a Games Day years ago and both he and Graham McNeill were signing, and he had no line whatsoever. So I grabbed a copy of one of his books out of sympathy. Nice guy he was too. It was like that photo of that famous wrestler at his empty signing booth. Nothing gets me sadder than lonely people.
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jadebullet posted:Anyway, does anyone know if "Sons of Dorn" is good or not? I found it at a yard sale for 15 cents and decided to pick it up. You overpaid.
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CommissarMega posted:And this is why the Enforcer books are awesome; what seems slow and plodding at one moment, suddenly takes everything into hyperdrive. I think the third book is a better example though. Oh yes, the ending for Legacy totally came out of left field and surprised me quite a bit. Going into Blind is going to be interesting. I really hope he'll return for more stuff. And I need to get the DH book Farrer wrote stuff for as well at some point.
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Cooked Auto posted:Oh yes, the ending for Legacy totally came out of left field and surprised me quite a bit. Going into Blind is going to be interesting. I really hope he'll return for more stuff. And I need to get the DH book Farrer wrote stuff for as well at some point. The fluff of the DH book (Book of Judgement) is great at fluffing out both the Arbites and their opponents- which is good, because in terms of mechanics, it varies between iffy and  (seriously, a 1d10+9 shotgun with semi-auto capabilities?).
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CommissarMega posted:The fluff of the DH book (Book of Judgement) is great at fluffing out both the Arbites and their opponents- which is good, because in terms of mechanics, it varies between iffy and What? Are you under the impression that a shotgun like that couldn't exist? http://www.undeadreport.com/2007/12/aa-12-shotgun-anti-zombie-weapon-of-choice/
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S.J. posted:The Ork campaign for that game is literally the only good part of the single player though. Yes but everything is better when it is more orky.
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berzerkmonkey posted:What? Are you under the impression that a shotgun like that couldn't exist? http://www.undeadreport.com/2007/12/aa-12-shotgun-anti-zombie-weapon-of-choice/
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Arquinsiel posted:A bolter does 1D10+5 and is only semi-auto 2. And has tearing, and has pen 4, and that's just the human version. So I don't think that shotgun is particularly crazy.
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Jul 30, 2012 22:37
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Mechafunkzilla posted:And has tearing, and has pen 4, and that's just the human version. So I don't think that shotgun is particularly crazy. A bolter also has all kinds of technotheology involved in its making and that of its ammunition. Hell, with the exception of range, this shotgun is somewhat better than a bolter- Pen 4 ain't gonna count for much against an unarmoured enemy. This is a human-use shotgun with Astartes weapon damage (seriously, check out Deathwatch's shotguns). That said, this kind of talk is better suited to Trad Games.
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Jul 30, 2012 22:47
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S.J. posted:The Ork campaign for that game is literally the only good part of the single player though. In what circumstance will anything Ork POV related not be the best part? On that note, have a Let's Play glorifying Orkiness http://lparchive.org/Dawn-of-War-II-Retribution/
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CommissarMega posted:The fluff of the DH book (Book of Judgement) is great at fluffing out both the Arbites and their opponents- which is good, because in terms of mechanics, it varies between iffy and I've always seen the Arbites glossed over or given a cursory mention, but they seem ripe for a good story. They're basically the Federal Marshals of the Imperium and would make a great vehicle for a hard boiled detective story.
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Finally read Xenos, and while it wasn't a high concept or speculative Sci-Fi novel like I usually read, I still found it really good. While the overall plot was fairly standard, what really fleshed it out was how Abnett is really good at growing characters and their relationships, better than even a lot of my so-called "high concept" Sci-fi authors. In 40k, everything has always felt so inhuman, and to see the humanity behind a character within the most monolithic and impersonal organization within the Imperium really fleshed out the entire universe for me. Also, I couldn't help but burst out laughing when Lord Glaw, who is set up as the supposed head of the entire heresy, is killed by an axle to the head. While I wouldn't suggest it to everyone, if you have even a cursory interest in 40k, I can see how you could enjoy it.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Finally read Xenos, and while it wasn't a high concept or speculative Sci-Fi novel like I usually read, I still found it really good. While the overall plot was fairly standard, what really fleshed it out was how Abnett is really good at growing characters and their relationships, better than even a lot of my so-called "high concept" Sci-fi authors. In 40k, everything has always felt so inhuman, and to see the humanity behind a character within the most monolithic and impersonal organization within the Imperium really fleshed out the entire universe for me. If you think Abnett is good at characterization, ADB is gonna blow your mind.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Which one is that? Sorry, haven't read any other WH40K books Aaron Dembeski-Bowden. He writes some pretty fantastic characters.
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Yeah he sure does. As much as I love Abnett's stuff, ADB is the best writer in the Black Library. Right now I'm almost done with Legion of the Damned by Rob Sanders and it's surprisingly decent for bolter porn with pretty good characterization and dialogue. Plus he wrote this sentence about a Chaos army, "The Cholercaust’s slaughterkin, united in common purpose: to work through the private deviancy of their murderous inclination while simultaneously feeding their faith and daemon deity with acts of wanton annihilation." which you have to admit is metal as gently caress. It isn't top tier for the BL, but it shows promise and is one of the better of the Battles series. Ok, and this bit too. quote:Those who had regressed. Those who were now no more than agonising expressions of the savagery from which they were originally crafted. The Scourge favoured these with the Thunderhawk’s remaining wrath. With 1.00 calibre mercy, the Scourge ended their torment and that of their followers. See, it's 1.00 calibre mercy because he's using the heavy bolters on a crashed gunship. At least when he gets tired of writing about endless carnage he goes mad in amusing ways.
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jadebullet posted:Ugh, I hate when people go and do this. There is nothing worse than someone saying that 40K is a ripoff of Starcraft. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear?
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Evil_Urna posted:Is this going to be a new trilogy?
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Baron Bifford posted:In all of W40K this is the only good cover I've seen. Something that isn't a Space Marine shooting at something. The Ravenor Omnibus is also pretty neat: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/reader/1844167364/ref=sib_dp_pt/279-7585082-7558618#reader-link
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Evil_Urna posted:Would not be GW unless the fluff contradicts. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Baron Bifford posted:In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear? Urgh, that book wasn't the best but I believe the reasoning behind it was that Spear was some kind of 'special' Pariah who Erebus forcefully bonded a minor daemon too in the same way that you can staple a heat pack on top of a block of ice. Sure it's both hot and cold but the two would automatically burn each other out. The whole thing doesn't really make a lot of sense.
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drkhrs2020 posted:I've always seen the Arbites glossed over or given a cursory mention, but they seem ripe for a good story. They're basically the Federal Marshals of the Imperium and would make a great vehicle for a hard boiled detective story. There have been a couple of stories with Arbites (a few by Abnett), but I think the problem is that most people who read 40K fiction want to read about Marines or Guard or Orks blowing poo poo up. A 40K detective story pretty much winds up being a regular detective story with random 40K buzzwords sprinkled in. Personally, this isn't a problem, but I think BL concentrates on the type of fiction that it can claim as its "own." You can get a detective novel anywhere, but you can't get a novel about vampiric space knights fighting fungus monsters.
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Baron Bifford posted:In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear? Nemesis reads like fan-fiction, I wouldn't think about it too hard. Keep in mind that is the same book that features an Eversor Assassin as the comic relief. So the answer is "stop reading James Swallow books", basically. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jul 31, 2012 |
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Except those involving the Sororitas  Seriously, I picked up his Blood Angels stuff after reading Faith and Fire, and uuurgh.
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Do Space Marines ever take off their armor? Is there a painting of a Space Marine just chilling in a bath robe or something?
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Baron Bifford posted:Do Space Marines ever take off their armor? Is there a painting of a Space Marine just chilling in a bath robe or something? Some of the books talk about the marines walking around in robes or tunics while on their ship during trips.
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Baron Bifford posted:In Nemesis, the Black Pariah known as Spear is bound to a daemon. How is this possible? If pariahs block out the Warp, how could a sorcerer have worked his powers on Spear?
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Baron Bifford posted:Do Space Marines ever take off their armor? Is there a painting of a Space Marine just chilling in a bath robe or something? Generally speaking, yes they take their armor off pretty often for things like repair, training, meditation, general downtime, what have you. In some cases Marines become unable to remove their armor, like Iron Hands that are 80% robot or Chaos Space Marines whose flesh has become fused to a set of demonic power armor.
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Baron Bifford posted:Ripping-off is often a two-way street for ongoing works of fiction. World of Warcraft was inspired by Dungeons and Dragons, but the latest edition of D&D has borrowed the mechanics of WoW. W40K will soon be pinching ideas from Starcraft. Also, originality is a little overrated. Hence my gigantic sarcastic paragraph about how Starcraft was a rip off of Tremmors.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Generally speaking, yes they take their armor off pretty often for things like repair, training, meditation, general downtime, what have you. In some cases Marines become unable to remove their armor, like Iron Hands that are 80% robot or Chaos Space Marines whose flesh has become fused to a set of demonic power armor. Nothing like a set of armor that decides when it wants to come off because it's got a demon living in it. It must make going to the bathroom pretty haphazard.
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So someone here (I think? Maybe it was the 40k Roleplaying thread) was talking about how Mechanicum had some big discussions of the reality of technology in 40k so we should read it. So I have started to. I'm something like 4 chapters in and regret it. It is very very bad. This is a bad book. Do not read this book. It changes locations and points of view without proper breakage. It is full of talking heads that info dump when they have plenty or reasons not to. Guards famed for their intimidating silence suddenly open up and talk about their master, their history, and their big plan. It has a page and a half long discussion of how sexy a robot is. As in, talking about "shapely curves of bronze, distinctly and appealingly female". The lead up to Horus' Rebellion is handled with all the subtlety of a brick through a window, with everyone across the galaxy knowing it is going to happen before he even turns to Chaos. This bad. At this point, I'm going to push through to see how bad it gets, but yeah. Treat this like me reading it so you don't have to.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Generally speaking, yes they take their armor off pretty often for things like repair, training, meditation, general downtime, what have you. In some cases Marines become unable to remove their armor, like Iron Hands that are 80% robot or Chaos Space Marines whose flesh has become fused to a set of demonic power armor. The Blood Angles main character in the Bloodquest graphic novel goes without his armour for a considerable amount of time just as an example.
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Fried Chicken posted:So someone here (I think? Maybe it was the 40k Roleplaying thread) was talking about how Mechanicum had some big discussions of the reality of technology in 40k so we should read it. So I have started to. I'm something like 4 chapters in and regret it. It is very very bad. This is a bad book. Do not read this book. It changes locations and points of view without proper breakage. It is full of talking heads that info dump when they have plenty or reasons not to. Guards famed for their intimidating silence suddenly open up and talk about their master, their history, and their big plan. It has a page and a half long discussion of how sexy a robot is. As in, talking about "shapely curves of bronze, distinctly and appealingly female". The lead up to Horus' Rebellion is handled with all the subtlety of a brick through a window, with everyone across the galaxy knowing it is going to happen before he even turns to Chaos. What I have to say of the three "good" HH books on the OP (Mechanicum, Outcast Dead and Eisenstein) is that I found the first borderline unreadable and lovely, the second borderline unreadable and filled with plot sins that made me drop it before I got to them, and the third lulls you into thinking its decent bolter porn with its first third and then turns into a boring shitfest. Speaking of which, I just finished Legion of the Damned. It starts strong, but once it gets to the cemetery world, you can almost hear the author go "oh poo poo I still have a hundred pages to go, what do I do?" It's like... the anti-Abnett ending.
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