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Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

Veeta posted:

I agree with you on the scouts sent to Black Mountain and the RobCo factory, but the note found on the scouts at Nellis is as follows:

Mission Code: KH-792
Temporary Password: And to dare to do it
Summary: Paladin Raseleanne, you and and escort are to investigate the military base to the northeast for components we need. We’ve had reports that the current occupants are fiercely territorial, but it's highly unlikely they have any weapons that can seriously threaten someone in full power armor. The threat level is considered minimal.
McNamara
(with thanks to the Fallout Wiki.)

As far as I'm concerned, that's a prime example of the sort of hubris that Veronica is railing against. Their belief that energy weapons and power armour offer an unassailable advantage has reached the point of becoming pure dogma, regardless of changing realities. The thing is, I'm not sure if Hardin would be any less guilty of this, despite his superior military expertise.

He would have screwed that up as well, since there shouldn't have been anything at Nellis that could threaten someone in power armor. The Boomers brought in the heavy weapons and artillery themselves when they decided to take over.

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HitTheTargets
Mar 3, 2006

I came here to laugh at you.

Man Whore posted:

Judging by the fancy font and strange names,it looks like a fantasy game. If i'm right,so much for Chris Avellone being done with fantasy.

Fake Edit:or the 4 stands for Fallout 4.

It's a three today, so I assume it's a countdown & your first guess is correct.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Acebuckeye13 posted:




He's just got premature baldness (It's been a while since I played that part of the game and for some reason I thought he was younger than he was :saddowns:)

Weirdest loving thing with Hardin, and I'm pretty sure this actually happened because I was weirded out by it when I noticed it before your post. My first playthrough, I could have SWORN Hardin was young and had a beard and long blonde hair. On the second playthrough, though, he was bald with no facial hair. I looked around that place for a solid 20 minutes for that Thor looking motherfucker.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

Count Chocula posted:

I'm almost Level 20 and barely completed half the vanilla game'a quests, so I'm pretty worried. And gently caress Vault 34; all that for an okay gun, a locked chest, and a redone version of the Trolley Problem from my Ethica class. And I apparently need to make another trip for that pulse gun.

I think I bugged Veronica's quest by getting my space laser; I haven't even met Veronica and when I talk to McNamara there's no option to talk about it. Hopefully it'll sort itself out when I find her.

I started Old World Blues at level 8 and finished it at level 21.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another

Stroth posted:

He would have screwed that up as well, since there shouldn't have been anything at Nellis that could threaten someone in power armor. The Boomers brought in the heavy weapons and artillery themselves when they decided to take over.

They had artillery in vault 34? I wonder where they kept it 'cos that poo poo is Massive

NotALizardman
Jun 5, 2011

Cicadalek posted:

They had artillery in vault 34? I wonder where they kept it 'cos that poo poo is Massive

No. Well, maybe. The Boomers wheeled in the artillery pieces from some other military base they looted. You can ask the kid in the "museum" about it.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Yeah, he says they had weapons in the vault to start with, but they didn't get the artillery until they got to Nellis and found out where an army base was. Then they looted that, and there you go.

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


Boomer's loot is from Area 51 and Area 2 I believe. The biggest of the guns were straight military hardware from a depot(s), not things they had in the vault underground. Same for their flight sim gear.

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Man, why wasn't Area 51 in this game? Other than Las Vegas it's like the only notable thing about Nevada.

Boogle
Sep 1, 2004

Nap Ghost

That DICK! posted:

Man, why wasn't Area 51 in this game? Other than Las Vegas it's like the only notable thing about Nevada.

It would be functionally similar to Big MT, maybe with a more fascist military flavor and less SCIENCE! :science:

NotALizardman
Jun 5, 2011

Chronojam posted:

Boomer's loot is from Area 51 and Area 2 I believe. The biggest of the guns were straight military hardware from a depot(s), not things they had in the vault underground. Same for their flight sim gear.

No, the flight sim pods were already at Nellis. The museum kid mentions that they thought the pods were fancy chairs and slept in them until they discovered what they really were. And I'm sure at least some of the heavy ordinance (probably not the missile launchers) came from the Vault, I mean hell, the mural explicitly shows them roasting "raiders" with Flamers before they found Nellis.

quote:

more fascist military flavor


We really did need a little more Enclave in this game.

NotALizardman fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Sep 11, 2012

Hamlet442
Mar 2, 2008
Maybe the Big MT is Area 51?

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.

Hamlet442 posted:

Maybe the Big MT is Area 51?

Big Mountain is Big Mountain http://tinyurl.com/8el266x.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

NotALizardman posted:

We really did need a little more Enclave in this game.

Fallout 3 kinda ruined them as villians. And Arcade's quest works perfectly as far as the Enclave storyline goes.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Are there any companions in Old World Blues? I could use the backup. Rolling with Boone and Veronica has spoiled me, and these monsters have a shitton of HP and do a lot of damage.

loving Night Stalkers.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


rotinaj posted:

Are there any companions in Old World Blues? I could use the backup. Rolling with Boone and Veronica has spoiled me, and these monsters have a shitton of HP and do a lot of damage.

loving Night Stalkers.

Not without mods.

Stroth
Mar 31, 2007

All Problems Solved

HitTheTargets posted:

It's a three today, so I assume it's a countdown & your first guess is correct.

Obsidian posted:

"The book unread is unwritten. The reason we don't explain it is the reason we use it. Its power is in its mystery. That is the Leaden Key, in part, in whole. Is it clear?"

"Digging for truth buries the seeker."

Two centuries ago, your divine champion told the people of Dyrwood to grovel at his feet. If you've come on pilgrimage to the blasted crater that was our reply, Godhammer Citadel is *that* way.

I have to admit, I'm intrigued by this.

NotALizardman
Jun 5, 2011

OldMemes posted:

Fallout 3 kinda ruined them as villians. And Arcade's quest works perfectly as far as the Enclave storyline goes.

I agree on the villains thing. I just want to see more of them as "allies". Like the BoS but even bigger assholes.

quote:

Are there any companions in Old World Blues?

Nope. In one of the labs you can make a cyberdog who'll follow you around, but only inside said lab and they aren't an "actual" companion.

thedouche
Mar 20, 2007
Greetings from thedouche

:dukedog:

Sir Unimaginative posted:

Not without mods.
My friend "modified Elijah's LAER with overcharged MF cells" was very helpful.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

Sir Unimaginative posted:

Not without mods.

Doesn't Roxie the cyberdog count? She's not great, but she's better than nothing, I guess. And she makes friends with Rex in her endings. :3:

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.

Cicadalek posted:

They had artillery in vault 34? I wonder where they kept it 'cos that poo poo is Massive

The artillery was stationed at Nellis.

HitTheTargets posted:

It's a three today, so I assume it's a countdown & your first guess is correct.

My money is on a Black Hound kickstarter. Barring that, I imagine a spiritual sequel to Planescape could justify the Ouroboros.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


NotALizardman posted:

I agree on the villains thing. I just want to see more of them as "allies". Like the BoS but even bigger assholes.

So does Chicago's Enclave compound become more insular or less when they realize the other two big sites got leveled and all their viable genocide plans would probably kill them too?

Or do they even follow American orders or still work on genocide after they saw the last two groups to do it get A-Teamed into oblivion?

And if they DO pretty much give up on being America (even if they don't give up on claiming it), what do they do now?

Figure that out and you probably have the basis for a DLC for a future Great Lakes edition of Fallout, if the DLC isn't itself the most concise answer.

On that note: Given how we've heard of the Brotherhood having the idea that they should inherit the earth simply by waiting for the 'tribals' to die out (albeit from hearsay from Veronica, so take with a jigger of salt), why haven't we seen one of their chapters go scorched earth yet? (Boulder Dome doesn't count.)

Warning: This post is based on a hell of a lot of assumptions, like Bethesda actually acknowledging anything in New Vegas as canon, or deigning to use the Enclave anymore in any capacity. Although I suppose any remaining Enclave compounds could be pretty much wherever; edit locations accordingly.

HitTheTargets
Mar 3, 2006

I came here to laugh at you.

Merry Magpie posted:

My money is on a Black Hound kickstarter. Barring that, I imagine a spiritual sequel to Planescape could justify the Ouroboros.

Wouldn't that interfere with the remake of the original? Marketing-wise or whatever?

KnightLight
Aug 8, 2009

If I found Hardcore More more annoying than immersive, would it still be worth it to get Courier's Stash just so I can use the JSawyer mod? It has lots of fixes that look awesome (perk fixes, weapon durability changes, karma fixes), and lots of things I'm ambivalent about (carry weight nerf, level cap change, etc.) On one hand, no more level 40+ bulletsponge hordes, on the other, no ubergod Courier.

Any advice?

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Isn't Courier's Stash a buck now? Probably worth it just to try it out and form your own opinion on it.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp

Sir Unimaginative posted:

So does Chicago's Enclave compound become more insular or less when they realize the other two big sites got leveled and all their viable genocide plans would probably kill them too?

Or do they even follow American orders or still work on genocide after they saw the last two groups to do it get A-Teamed into oblivion?

And if they DO pretty much give up on being America (even if they don't give up on claiming it), what do they do now?

Figure that out and you probably have the basis for a DLC for a future Great Lakes edition of Fallout, if the DLC isn't itself the most concise answer.

On that note: Given how we've heard of the Brotherhood having the idea that they should inherit the earth simply by waiting for the 'tribals' to die out (albeit from hearsay from Veronica, so take with a jigger of salt), why haven't we seen one of their chapters go scorched earth yet? (Boulder Dome doesn't count.)

Warning: This post is based on a hell of a lot of assumptions, like Bethesda actually acknowledging anything in New Vegas as canon, or deigning to use the Enclave anymore in any capacity. Although I suppose any remaining Enclave compounds could be pretty much wherever; edit locations accordingly.


I'd like to think that if the Chicago Enclave is anything other than a tiny group, that they'd look at the rousing success of the NCR, Legion, whatever solidified in the DC Wasteland and any other nations that might be floating around and say "Oh wow, a big fuckoff army... that's way better than our idea."

Commissar Ken
Dec 9, 2006

Children STILL love me, dammit!


Had a problem pop up a few days ago and checked back aways on here but didn't see it, hoping you folks can help. Played NV once all the way through with no bugs or problems, wiped my computer awhile back and just starting again after buying all the DLCs for dirt cheap and getting the itch. Been playing this run through awhile but a couple of days ago the game itself started for lack of a better word stuttering. I'll start it up, everything loads fine but after the first couple of minutes the framerate seems to drop terribly. It looks and feels like every step and a half there's a pause and then it goes. Fast traveling/entering a new area/alt tabbing to the desktop and going back fixes it sometimes for a minute or so at a time, sometimes longer but it always comes back after awhile. I've tried moving the latest save file away and deleting all of NV off my comp and then reinstalling but it still kept doing it. Also tried that New Vegas Stutter remover whatever thing you throw in the data file that is supposed to fix something like it but still have the same problem. Any ideas?

Commissar Ken fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Sep 12, 2012

Chronojam
Feb 20, 2006

This is me on vacation in Amsterdam :)
Never be afraid of being yourself!


West Coast Enclave had a pretty big army with logistics bases and transportation figured out. Proper training and barracks and research facilities, even.

Mushball
May 23, 2012

Chronojam posted:

West Coast Enclave had a pretty big army with logistics bases and transportation figured out. Proper training and barracks and research facilities, even.

The only problem is that there in a world where this one guy who is freakishly good at every discipline know to man running amok in the wasteland that so happens to wreck what ever master plan and well-trained army they have.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp

Chronojam posted:

West Coast Enclave had a pretty big army with logistics bases and transportation figured out. Proper training and barracks and research facilities, even.

They were more focused on their evil schemes than they were about building an unassailable empire, though. And then they lost a ground war against the NCR after their schemes were foiled, so I gotta wonder how big that army actually was.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

rotinaj posted:

Are there any companions in Old World Blues? I could use the backup. Rolling with Boone and Veronica has spoiled me, and these monsters have a shitton of HP and do a lot of damage.

loving Night Stalkers.

You could get the Animal companion perk.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


computer parts posted:

You could get the Animal companion perk.

With Charisma 6. It might be a little late for that by the time you're in OWB.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another

KnightLight posted:

If I found Hardcore More more annoying than immersive, would it still be worth it to get Courier's Stash just so I can use the JSawyer mod? It has lots of fixes that look awesome (perk fixes, weapon durability changes, karma fixes), and lots of things I'm ambivalent about (carry weight nerf, level cap change, etc.) On one hand, no more level 40+ bulletsponge hordes, on the other, no ubergod Courier.

Any advice?

I'm playing a hardcore melee guy with Jsawyer and I find it a pretty interesting change. You can still deal massive amounts of damage at high levels (Gehenna + Pyromaniac + Cloud Kiss pretty much destroys everything) but you're a lot less invulnerable. Charging into a group of several enemies can be dangerous, and deathclaws can still one shot me. This has lead to me actually putting a little planning into fights rather than headshotting everything from a mile away. Specifically, I have learned to love Turbo, a lot.

Playing a melee character made the carry weight less of an issue, but you can still pick up the relevant perks (Pack Rat, Strong Back, Burden To Bear) to remedy a lack of space. Plus you appreciate your companions that much more.

ClearAirTurbulence
Apr 20, 2010
The earth has music for those who listen.

Stroth posted:

He would have screwed that up as well, since there shouldn't have been anything at Nellis that could threaten someone in power armor. The Boomers brought in the heavy weapons and artillery themselves when they decided to take over.

I can't see how the BoS could have operatives wandering around the Mojave and not hear about how the Boomers are extremely dangerous and anybody who goes near them gets blown up. Surely Veronica would have heard something hanging out around the 188.

Even if they didn't know, there's a difference in how Hardin and McNamara would have handled it. If Hardin sent troops to Nellis, their commanding officers would have known about the mission and would be looking after their troops. When they got blown up, somebody would know about it and he wouldn't rely on some third party to find out what happened.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010


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Merry Magpie posted:

The artillery was stationed at Nellis.

No, the other guy was right. They secured Nellis, discovered the location of other military depots, and dragged the heavy equipment back to the airbase. I mean, it's an airfield in the middle of Nevada. There's absolutely no reason to store anything resembling artillery there.

Rex Deckard
Jul 15, 2004

rotinaj posted:

Are there any companions in Old World Blues? I could use the backup. Rolling with Boone and Veronica has spoiled me, and these monsters have a shitton of HP and do a lot of damage.

loving Night Stalkers.

There is nothing in OWB that cannot be dealt with with either Proton Axe or Knock Knock. And melee does not even need to be that high.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Kalos posted:

They were more focused on their evil schemes than they were about building an unassailable empire, though. And then they lost a ground war against the NCR after their schemes were foiled, so I gotta wonder how big that army actually was.

I got the impression that it was small, but very well equipped.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Rex Deckard posted:

There is nothing in OWB that cannot be dealt with with either Proton Axe or Knock Knock. And melee does not even need to be that high.

Yeah, my melee was very low when I went in and was pretty goddamn high by the time I left.

Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
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Acebuckeye13 posted:

No, the other guy was right. They secured Nellis, discovered the location of other military depots, and dragged the heavy equipment back to the airbase. I mean, it's an airfield in the middle of Nevada. There's absolutely no reason to store anything resembling artillery there.

This is correct. It's part of the mural the kid explains to you.

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rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Mushball posted:

The only problem is that there in a world where this one guy who is freakishly good at every discipline know to man running amok in the wasteland that so happens to wreck what ever master plan and well-trained army they have.

Seriously, I want to know how the Fallout universe makes sense of the fact that dudes who are amazing and super badass keep popping up to just help everyone with everything and kill all the bad guys.

Edit: I don't wanna drop points on Melee that I don't need to. I play Unarmed and Guns, and need my points for that, speech, lockpick and a zillion other skills besides Melee!

Edit2: FFffffffuck, how do I find these proximity mines in X-13?

rotinaj fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Sep 12, 2012

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