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W.T. Fits posted:Here's how stealing in FFV works: The message I'm getting here is "Stealing is a complete waste of time". For a mechanic that requires such luck, the payoff is almost always crap. The only games I can think of that had stuff worth stealing are 7 and 9.
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Dr Pepper posted:Why would you Berserk your breaker when he could be using the awesome break skills? For one thing, the best break skills are practically only available post-game (as in, you find them in dungeons that open up after the "final" dungeon). Second, the ones that are available earlier aren't worth using on general mobs- why lower the defense of a monster that's going to die in 4 seconds anyway? For most of the game, Breakers are just for caving faces in, and they do it well. With Berserk and a decent weapon, your Breaker can probably 1- or 2-shot most monsters.
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Sep 17, 2012 22:33
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Beaumains posted:Still would've been cool to go the rest of the game as a dark knight though. The instruction manual even implied this might be possible because it listed the Fire Sword as being usable by Dark Knight Cecil.  Mega64 posted:He was already banging Rosa before the game even begins. She doesn't even bat an eye when she sees the new him, though the first time they reunite post class-change involved a giant sickle/ball about to fall on her. She's not picky about looks. Cecil's outfit changed appearance, not his actual body.  Sex_Ferguson posted:They made a pretty rocking version of Clash on the Big Bridge, so they're good in my book. They needed to do an entire album of nothing but FF:MQ tracks.
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Sep 17, 2012 22:34
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Momomo posted:The message I'm getting here is "Stealing is a complete waste of time". For a mechanic that requires such luck, the payoff is almost always crap. The only games I can think of that had stuff worth stealing are 7 and 9. Actually in pretty much every area there's at least one or two encounters with stuff worth stealing. I mean, in the first place if you're stealing you're going to be using a Thief with Thieves Gloves.
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Sep 17, 2012 22:45
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There is a Dark Knight job in Dimensions, and like all jobs, it's unlocked through a guest party member. So, y'know, there's that.Evil Fluffy posted:They needed to do an entire album of nothing but FF:MQ tracks. Problem is, Mystic Quest's soundtrack is credited to Ryuji Sasai and Yasuhiro Kawakami, not Nobuo Uematsu.
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Sep 17, 2012 23:42
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Evil Fluffy posted:Cecil's outfit changed appearance, not his actual body. I've heard that Cecil literally hammered his armor into his skin until it fused with it or something, so not necessarily. To think, the king who had Cecil do this sort of poo poo was a good guy.
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Sep 18, 2012 01:05
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He learned the dark sword from the king, even, didn't he?
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Sep 18, 2012 01:07
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Yeah. The king encouraged Cecil to be a dark knight, and it turns out Cecil was really good at it because he's a JRPG protagonist. He also found time between mastering the powers of darkness to bang his best friend's crush. Cecil is the best protagonist.
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Sep 18, 2012 01:10
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Mega64 posted:Yeah. The king encouraged Cecil to be a dark knight, and it turns out Cecil was really good at it because he's a JRPG protagonist. He also found time between mastering the powers of darkness to bang his best friend's crush. Being a master of the dark sword isn't really "evil" in FFIV it seems. Not any more than any other soldier specialization. The king of Baron was a pretty cool dude until a few months before the start of the game and the king of Fabol talks about how the was a cool traveling dark knight that visited them in the past. I think Golbez just has a resistant to unholy damage and a weakness to holy. Cecil was just trying to min/max.
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Sep 18, 2012 01:17
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Belzac posted:Being a master of the dark sword isn't really "evil" in FFIV it seems. Not any more than any other soldier specialization. The king of Baron was a pretty cool dude until a few months before the start of the game and the king of Fabol talks about how the was a cool traveling dark knight that visited them in the past. Not necessarily evil, more just embracing darkness for the sake of being a terrifying super-soldier. Baron's army includes an entire order of Dark Knights, which the King may or may not have been a part of back in his poo poo-kicking days (I remember reading that he was part of the Dark Knights somewhere, but can't find that information again so I can't fully confirm this thought). You just never hear anything about them for some reason or another. Even the non-Kain Dragoons got more of a mention than they did within the game, which is weird all considered. Shaezerus fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Sep 18, 2012 |
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Sep 18, 2012 01:25
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Momomo posted:The message I'm getting here is "Stealing is a complete waste of time". For a mechanic that requires such luck, the payoff is almost always crap. The only games I can think of that had stuff worth stealing are 7 and 9.
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Sep 18, 2012 01:58
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Cardboard Fox posted:I actually have no idea who did the VI remix I linked above. S.S.H (Saitama Saisyu Heiki); he's done a ton of great remixes of other stuff. Have a couple of the more relevant ones.
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Sep 18, 2012 03:01
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Mustach posted:Always steal from Gilgamesh. If you're playing ffxii steal from Gilgamesh repeatedly. I saved after the Gilgamesh fight and then found out he had more than one thing.
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Sep 18, 2012 03:02
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Mustach posted:Always steal from Gilgamesh. Was going to mention this. The last 4 fights with Gilgamesh (including the scripted one!) Gilgamesh has Genji Gear which is one of the best equips in the game. It's a guaranteed steal so do it.
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Sep 18, 2012 03:13
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So I'm guessing there's no FF13-2 thread?
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Sep 18, 2012 03:59
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GreenBuckanneer posted:So I'm guessing there's no FF13-2 thread? Sure there is. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3455494 The game's relatively old by this point but there's still a thread.
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Sep 18, 2012 04:00
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Momomo posted:The message I'm getting here is "Stealing is a complete waste of time". For a mechanic that requires such luck, the payoff is almost always crap. The only games I can think of that had stuff worth stealing are 7 and 9. Actually, Steal is pretty drat useful. With some luck, you can acquire some weapons or armors as rare steals before they'd normally be available in shops or as treasure in dungeons. If you're patient, you can also stock up on healing items like Hi-Potions and Ethers without having to pay for them. But to get the most use out of it, you have to know which monsters have items that are worth stealing. That means either having an FAQ on hand, or having already played the game a lot. But if you don't feel like dealing with that, you can also make it through the game without bothering with Steal at all.
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Sep 18, 2012 05:33
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Momomo posted:So I've been playing V some, is Thief a job I should be using? I've gotten a few cool things, but 90% of the time Galuf is failing to steal anything at all, and bosses don't seem to have anything. Thief in FFV is worth it if you look up what to steal beforehand. There are parts of the game where the enemies have a rare steal that is way above the weapons you should have at that point. It's also nice to have abilities like easier fleeing from battles, running faster in cities and stuff, and seeing hidden pathways without needing to know about them. Also they have the highest speed in the game and mastering them lets you give that speed to other classes which can be useful. Their damage will always be crap though
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Sep 18, 2012 13:22
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Thief in FFV is worth it if you look up what to steal beforehand. Doesn't that practically sum up every FF game in which stealing is useful, though, aside from maybe FFIX?
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Sep 18, 2012 13:27
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Kyrosiris posted:Doesn't that practically sum up every FF game in which stealing is useful, though, aside from maybe FFIX? There's FFX - pretty much almost any enemy has something worth stealing, and Rikku isn't going to be doing much other than Stealing, Mixing or Using. There's also FF8, where Mug is almost always suprerior to Attack except for certain items (like the Power Generator).
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Sep 18, 2012 13:48
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ApplesandOranges posted:There's FFX - pretty much almost any enemy has something worth stealing, and Rikku isn't going to be doing much other than Stealing, Mixing or Using. I knew those Al Bhed were no good. They're a bad influence on the good, honest Sin-fearing Yevonites of Spira.
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Sep 18, 2012 13:55
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People who don't bother with Steal are going to think its a waste of time. The only game where it really is lame is IV, thanks to mechanics.
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Sep 18, 2012 13:56
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Always steal from bosses, in every game.
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Sep 18, 2012 14:46
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TurnipFritter posted:I knew those Al Bhed were no good. They're a bad influence on the good, honest Sin-fearing Yevonites of Spira. Wakka account spotted. Has there been any talk of porting more old FFs to phones? FFI-III is great and all but I'd like to play some of the actually good ones. Basically I just want V.
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Sep 18, 2012 14:47
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Barudak posted:Basically I just want V. I would do borderline-illegal things for FF5A on Android.
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Kyrosiris posted:I would do borderline-illegal things for FF5A on Android. I have used a GBA emulator on my super old Android Tablet and it works just fine but I got annoyed with the lack of buttons and stopped Kyrosiris posted:Doesn't that practically sum up every FF game in which stealing is useful, though, aside from maybe FFIX? Yeah pretty much. FF9 could only put awesome steals everywhere because they know you had to always have a Thief in the party I guess, the other FFs didn't want to force you to always use your thief.
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Sep 18, 2012 14:57
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I have used a GBA emulator on my super old Android Tablet and it works just fine but I got annoyed with the lack of buttons and stopped Given that I have a hardware keyboard, maybe I should try that. 
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Sep 18, 2012 14:58
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Dragonatrix posted:S.S.H (Saitama Saisyu Heiki); he's done a ton of great remixes of other stuff. Have a couple of the more relevant ones.  Thanks, I've been looking for the artist for a while now.
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Sep 18, 2012 15:03
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Yeah pretty much. FF9 could only put awesome steals everywhere because they know you had to always have a Thief in the party I guess, the other FFs didn't want to force you to always use your thief.
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Sep 18, 2012 15:30
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Don't forget how there isn't anything at all worth stealing (I seriously can't think of a single thing) and if Edge fails he damages himself!
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Sep 18, 2012 16:04
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I'm pretty sure there isn't a single thing worth stealing in VI either, and Locke is supposed to be one of the most important characters.THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Thief in FFV is worth it if you look up what to steal beforehand. There are parts of the game where the enemies have a rare steal that is way above the weapons you should have at that point. It's also nice to have abilities like easier fleeing from battles, running faster in cities and stuff, and seeing hidden pathways without needing to know about them. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna bother. I don't want to have to look up every enemy in the game just to make this class useful. Even if there is stuff worth stealing, 10/255 chance is terrible and sounds completely unfun to deal with.
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Sep 18, 2012 16:09
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Except the common steals are worth it too. You can steal hi-potions, for instance, a long time before they're available to buy. And pretty much every dungeon has some nice things. Also, Thief is the Job with the "Find Passages" ability. So if you want to be able to see all the hidden paths (And FFV loves its hidden paths) you need to use a thief. It's only near endgame that rare steals become the worthwhile stuff.
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CloseFriend posted:I thought IV made stealing the least useful, just because Edge joins up fairly late in the game. At least in the other games you get the ability to steal either early on or about midway (in Rikku's case) at the most. 11 by far has the most useless Steal because it either does not work for gently caress or the enemy outright has nothing at all, and it's got a 5-minute cooldown. Plus the only items you ever get from snagging poo poo are worthless vendor trash. It's useful only in three situations: stealing your L75 Limit Break testimony (as it's the only way you can get one), stealing from Maat during your L75 Limit Break fight (you instantly win if you successfully Steal from him when fighting him as a Thief), and maybe occasionally perhaps on an off chance getting an extra piece of Dynamis currency if the stars align.
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Sep 18, 2012 16:16
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There's good stealing to be had in FFVI in the Magitek factory, if I recall. Also the floating continent. Most of the bosses in Kefka's Tower have good loot too I think? But when you get him back in the WiR his job becomes swinging the Valiant Knife, which is probably the game's most broken weapon, as many times as he can.
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Sep 18, 2012 16:31
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It seems like stealing would be a great way to include more fun stuff. Key items with no use but interesting flavor text, random useful consumables (Lets say a Potent Protection Potion and it does protect/shell/regen to all party members, just throwing poo poo out there), and side quests and other stuff. Steal a list of ingredients from someone, a key that opens a building in a city that you previously couldn't access with a boss inside, anything. Geez. Instead its mostly limited to generic consumables, and equipment from the next area early. Have fun with it fellas.
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Sep 18, 2012 16:32
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Dr Pepper posted:Except the common steals are worth it too. You can steal hi-potions, for instance, a long time before they're available to buy. And pretty much every dungeon has some nice things. You can get the bow that does Rapidfire early on in World 2, and Twin Lances early if you go to the basement of the World 2 castle before you are supposed to. Off the top of my head those are the most important rare steals. Shaezerus posted:11 by far has the most useless Steal because it either does not work for gently caress or the enemy outright has nothing at all, and it's got a 5-minute cooldown. Plus the only items you ever get from snagging poo poo are worthless vendor trash. THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 18, 2012 |
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Defiance Industries posted:There's good stealing to be had in FFVI in the Magitek factory, if I recall. Also the floating continent. Most of the bosses in Kefka's Tower have good loot too I think? But when you get him back in the WiR his job becomes swinging the Valiant Knife, which is probably the game's most broken weapon, as many times as he can. This is probably sperglord level poo poo, but Elixers and Megalixers are a rare steal from the enemies on the Solitary Island, and you can get Ribbons from Brachiosaurs.
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Sep 18, 2012 16:42
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Steal is pretty useful in FFXII. Since enemies don't drop gil, stealing loot from them can double your income. So of course there's no convenient gambit for it. 
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Sep 18, 2012 17:58
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Dr Pepper posted:Steal is pretty useful in FFXII. Since enemies don't drop gil, stealing loot from them can double your income. You can use the Enemy: HP=100% gambit for random enemies. Put it on the leader and they'll get one chance to steal before the rest of the party cleans up.
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voltron lion force posted:You can use the Enemy: HP=100% gambit for random enemies. Put it on the leader and they'll get one chance to steal before the rest of the party cleans up. I just waited to attack until he had successfully stolen.
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