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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Soviet Commubot posted:

Vote in the Catalonian assembly in favor of an independence referendum. The 25 abstaining votes were from the Socialist party.

Do you know why the Socialist Party abstained?

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Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


ekuNNN posted:

Do you know why the Socialist Party abstained?



I'm not 100% sure but from what I gather the Socialist party favors a federal Spain rather than an independant Catalonia. I'll be honest, I'm not all that familiar with the issue, I just see what the Breton separatists on my Facebook post. Speaking of Breton separatists...





Also, the Eurominority website got hacked for posting this

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

ekuNNN posted:

Do you know why the Socialist Party abstained?



Wow, I'd love to have that many choices.

Here is the ballot for the state of Oklahoma

I get to choose between the Big Business Party and the Big Business Party.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Doesn't Oklahoma have a big (individualist rear end in a top hat) Anarchist community?

Was the 'only two parties on the ballot' thing in order to keep the Anarchists out or is just a contradiction?

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I almost forgot!

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karoshi
Nov 4, 2008

"Can somebody mspaint eyes on the steaming packages? TIA" yeah well fuck you too buddy, this is the best you're gonna get. Is this even "work-safe"? Let's find out!

ekuNNN posted:

Do you know why the Socialist Party abstained?

The spanish socialists are as radical as the american democrats.

RIP carrillo

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012


Oink oink.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

karoshi posted:

The spanish socialists are as radical as the american democrats.

Ah, like our labour party then.









A poster for the United Red Army, a Japanese paramilitary group dedicated to Marxist-Leninist revolution


Ivan Shitskin
Nov 29, 2002

ekuNNN posted:

A poster for the United Red Army, a Japanese paramilitary group dedicated to Marxist-Leninist revolution

That's :black101:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Speaking of :black101: Japanese politics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuumGX-6uc

quote:

This is a REAL politician named Toyama Koichi that ran for the Prefectual governer of Tokyo "County". Every politician is given equal airtime in Japan to explain their platform, and the TV stations can not edit it and are therefore not responsible for its content. This guy is INSANE! The best part is, over 15,000 people VOTED FOR HIM!!!
And they say there is no hope for politics...

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003


SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005


What's this from? Also penis.

Saint Sputnik
Apr 1, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!
Holy poo poo

the2ndgenesis
Mar 18, 2009

You, McNulty, are a gaping asshole. We both know this.

Soviet Commubot posted:

I'm not 100% sure but from what I gather the Socialist party favors a federal Spain rather than an independant Catalonia. I'll be honest, I'm not all that familiar with the issue, I just see what the Breton separatists on my Facebook post. Speaking of Breton separatists...

This Breton stuff is really cool Commubot, be sure to post more ITT if you find any. :allears:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Had someone post this to my wall:



To which another responded thus:

quote:

"Who ever did this is total rear end in a top hat. Using vet for their own political hit piece. If this was the vets own word it is one thing to use one for political bull poo poo is low and they need to be drawn and quartered. How would you feel if some right winger used a pic of you for their benefit?"

I pointed out that the Right Wing constantly makes propaganda using troops, and I am DoD and they constantly put words in my mouth as an Armed Services member.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Sep 29, 2012

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

CommieGIR posted:

Had someone post this to my wall:



To which another responded thus:

Man I love the US educational system's simultaneous mockery of USSR propaganda and ignoring their role in pretty much single-handedly beating the Nazis.

Goatman Sacks fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Sep 29, 2012

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Goatman Sacks posted:

Man I love the US educational system's simultaneous mockery of USSR propaganda and ignoring their role in pretty much single-handedly beating the Nazis.

Agreed. Not entirely the point of this though.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Sep 30, 2012

the2ndgenesis
Mar 18, 2009

You, McNulty, are a gaping asshole. We both know this.

Goatman Sacks posted:

Man I love the US educational system's simultaneous mockery of USSR propaganda and ignoring their role in pretty much single-handedly beating the Nazis.

The Eastern Front was a liberal myth. The only reason people still talk about it is because liberal professors at liberal universities want to belittle American achievements!

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Goatman Sacks posted:

Man I love the US educational system's simultaneous mockery of USSR propaganda and ignoring their role in pretty much single-handedly beating the Nazis.

post pics capitalist swine







Wubbles
Oct 30, 2011

redmercer posted:

All the moral high ground does for you is raise your balls to the eye-level of people who are actually effective.

That seems pretty ridiculous to me. As far as I can tell, it's perfectly possible to feel sympathy for a person and still be capable of recognizing that the things they've done are wicked. I'd like to imagine that, for all their wrongdoing, even the Nazis were men and women, as much victims of circumstance as the Jews they targeted. Victory over them was not a victory over a uniformly malicious monstrosity from Hell; it was only a victory over a group of people who, by the influences of ignorance and poverty, had come to believe in the goodness of an ideology with revolting consequences.

Practically, I think this suggests it's wrong to venerate victory in war or in politics - all it does is instill the idea that the conquered weren't misguided people, but incomprehensible animals, whose, in the case of Nazis, adoption of Nazism could have been due to nothing resembling human motivation. In this, there is no warning against the pitfalls of Fascism or against human weakness in times of desperation (consider the popular support for the Nazis); all that remains is what they believed, and, free of context, it's free of responsibility.

Consider the difference between this, cosplay:


And this, the Berlin Holocaust memorial:


Now, D&D loves to overreact so let me be clear in saying that it is indisputably the case that the Holocaust was an unbelievable horror which necessitated the deaths of many Nazis to end, that my opinion on the value of the lives of Nazis who died does not change that fact, and that I have no intention of devaluing the suffering that the Jews and others murdered during the Holocaust endured.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
I disagree, I think it is possible to see people as evil without dehumanising them.

Swiss political cartoons:
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/eu/ch/Palomino1997_handelsbeziehungen-der-Schweiz-1933-1945.htm





hitler: here in this box sits a pretty evil man, as long as i stay here he won't do anything, but if i go away he will eat all of you
hitler: so it was not meant to be (when he gets off the box)
bottom: fear mongering and its unexpected consequences

(I have no idea who the guy in the box is)



"Quiet funeral"
Refers to Hitler's nationalisation of foreign investments ("3 milliard (billion) Swiss Francs") sometimes seen as the beginning of his "raubwirtschaft" which continued with the enslavement and looting of the countries Germany conquered

Enjoy fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Sep 29, 2012

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

Enjoy posted:

I disagree, I think it is possible to see people as evil without dehumanising them.

Swiss political cartoons:

World War II-era (and after) Switzerland is an interesting example when considering the grayness of morality.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Russian tanks in Berlin, graffiti says "Berlin stays German" :v::


Russian battlecat in Stalingrad :catstare: They were used as messengers, apparently.


In other news, it's been another interestign week in southern europe:




Saint Sputnik
Apr 1, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Enjoy posted:

I disagree, I think it is possible to see people as evil without dehumanising them.

Swiss political cartoons:
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/eu/ch/Palomino1997_handelsbeziehungen-der-Schweiz-1933-1945.htm





hitler: here in this box sits a pretty evil man, as long as i stay here he won't do anything, but if i go away he will eat all of you
hitler: so it was not meant to be (when he gets off the box)
bottom: fear mongering and its unexpected consequences

(I have no idea who the guy in the box is)



"Quiet funeral"
Refers to Hitler's nationalisation of foreign investments ("3 milliard (billion) Swiss Francs") sometimes seen as the beginning of his "raubwirtschaft" which continued with the enslavement and looting of the countries Germany conquered

An Audience With Hitler
- I am Quisling!
-And your name?


30 pieces of silver.
In dishonor and contempt has Quisling's journey brought him

Fender
Oct 9, 2000
Mechanical Bunny Rabbits!
Dinosaur Gum

Bamiyan

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Remember this:

quote:



Omar Khadr, a sixteen year old Guantanamo Bay detainee weeps uncontrollably, clutching at his face and hair as he calls out for his mother to save him from his torment. “Ya Ummi, Ya Ummi (Oh Mother, Oh Mother),” he wails repeatedly, hauntingly with each breath he takes.

The surveillance tapes, released by Khadr’s defence, show him left alone in an interrogation room for a “break” after he tried complaining to CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) officers about his poor health due to insufficient medical attention. Ignoring his complaints and trying to get him to make false confessions, the officers get frustrated with the sixteen year old’s tears and tell him to get himself together by the time they come back from their break.

“You don’t care about me. Nobody cares about me,” he sobs to them.

The tapes show how the officers manipulated Khadr into thinking that they were helping him because they were also Canadian and how they taunted him with the prospect of home (Canada), (good) food, and familial reunion.

Khadr, a Canadian, was taken into US custody at the age offifteen, tortured and refused medical attention because he wouldn’t attest to being a member of Al Qaeda, even though he was shot three times in the chest and had shrapnel embedded in his eyes and right shoulder. As a result, Khadr’s left eye is now permanently blind, the vision in his right eye is deteriorating, he develops severe pain in his right shoulder when the temperature drops, and he suffers from extreme nightmares.

He has been incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay since 2002, suffering extremely harsh interrogations and torture (methods), and is now 25 years old.

He has now been returned to Canada: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19771668

Let's hope now that he's in a first-world prison he can be treated humanely.

Cjones
Jul 4, 2008

Democracia Socrates, MD

Goatman Sacks posted:

Man I love the US educational system's simultaneous mockery of USSR propaganda and ignoring their role in pretty much single-handedly beating the Nazis.

80% of German casualties (95% of German deaths from '41-44') and 65% of allied casualties.


As a result of Operation Barbarossa, 4.3 million Germans were killed along with 10.6 million Russians, including 80% of boys born in the year 1923.
Twice as many people were killed at the Battle of Stalingrad or the Siege of Leningrad than the entire number of allies killed during the war.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Isn't it a dirty secret that amphetamines had been invented so Stalingrad and Leningrad were literally millions of people amped up on speed bayoneting and butchering each other?

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Al Nipper
May 7, 2008

by XyloJW

Humboldt Squid
Jan 21, 2006


They say that like it's a bad thing.

Edit for non tiny-assed image

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Humboldt Squid fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 29, 2012

Fluoride Jones
Aug 24, 2009

toot toot

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005
Did the Russians have any plans for Mussolini?

http://www.wsmv.com/story/19420051/confederate-flag-being-removed-from





Armyman25 fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 29, 2012

Cjones
Jul 4, 2008

Democracia Socrates, MD
^^ doubt it... The Russians had barely started to roll forwards towards the West by the time Il Duce was deposed.

McDowell posted:

Isn't it a dirty secret that amphetamines had been invented so Stalingrad and Leningrad were literally millions of people amped up on speed bayoneting and butchering each other?

I think it was the Brits and Americans using amphetamines. By the time of Stalingrad, Stalin had already given the order of "Not a step back!" and Hitler had a policy of Germans never surrendering... ergo tons of Russians died in the city and during the breakout and tons of Germans were surrounded and routed.



\/\/ I put interpretative dance right up there with squirting paint out of your rear end onto a blank canvas as the worst form of art.

Cjones fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Sep 29, 2012

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11jnDZ_NX_A

(9/11 tribute interpretative dance set to Jewel song)

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008

Cjones posted:

I think it was the Brits and Americans using amphetamines. By the time of Stalingrad, Stalin had already given the order of "Not a step back!" and Hitler had a policy of Germans never surrendering.



Remember that meth was only synthesized relatively recently and it was still plenty legal and popular. Everbody during the war, Axis or Allied, did speed.



"Tanker's Chocolate", a nice candy bar with meth in it.

Chitin
Apr 29, 2007

It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
I used to have one of these. It works about as well as shown here.

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Cozy Hemp Mines
May 16, 2009

by Fistgrrl

LP97S posted:

Remember that meth was only synthesized relatively recently and it was still plenty legal and popular. Everbody during the war, Axis or Allied, did speed.



"Tanker's Chocolate", a nice candy bar with meth in it.

War. War never changes.

"For more than 60 years, dextroamphetamine was the Air Force’s “go pill” of choice. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123007615

"Schmidt and Umbach were told by their superiors to use "go pills" on their missions, and the airmen blamed the incident on the drugs. This was a significant part of the defense of the two pilots." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident

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Feb 1, 2006

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