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Macrame_God: Sep 1, 2005; The stairs lead down in both directions.

I tried to resist, but it's hard to pass up a great deal...

12 Angry Men
Being John Malkovich
Island of Lost Souls
Rosemary's Baby
Three Outlaw Samurai

My list mostly consists of stuff I've been meaning to get, but keep passing up. I'm glad to finally add them to my collection.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 01:57

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 16:39

RustedChrome: Jun 10, 2007; "do not hold the camera obliquely, or the world will seem to be on an inclined plane."

I was planning on skipping the B&N sale this time since I couldn't really think of anything I want but don't have. I got the "mystery" discount coupon in my email and, since I was nearby, I had to take a look. I'd forgotten that I wanted the blu of "Anatomy of a Murder" and there it was waiting for me. My coupon came up 30% so I wound up with it for $12.59. Score!

They also have "Art House" films on sale for 50% off but apparently a lot of things fall into that category. I got the blu of "Bonnie and Clyde" for $11.25. That movie was always a guilty pleasure and now I can defend myself by saying "It's art!"

# ? Nov 1, 2012 04:08

Magic Hate Ball: May 6, 2007; ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Bonnie & Clyde a guilty pleasure?

# ? Nov 1, 2012 04:12

RustedChrome: Jun 10, 2007; "do not hold the camera obliquely, or the world will seem to be on an inclined plane."

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Bonnie & Clyde a guilty pleasure?

I know it won a lot of awards at the time but it seems to have fallen out of favor. I rarely hear modern critics with anything good to say about it and it's often held up as an example of a film that has aged badly. :shrug:

# ? Nov 1, 2012 04:15

ZackHoagie: Dec 25, 2007; now eat him.

Who the gently caress are you reading, Bonnie and Clyde gets lavish praise even to this day.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 04:20

friendo55: Jun 28, 2008

Satorr posted:

Folks at the store today said this sale lasts through the 19th.

Shochiku Horror Eclipse set comes out on the following day. Pre-orders made at the discounted rate online during this time are honored even after the sale ends, correct?

I picked up the Shochiku Eclipse set along with Brazil & Godzilla - so yea I'm hoping these prices stick too. But if not, there's always June/July I suppose.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 06:09

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Bonnie and Clyde is good, but it's no Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 07:07

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008; You can't stop what's coming

mod sassinator posted:

Bonnie and Clyde is good, but it's no Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Neither are as good as Fanny and Alexander.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 15:36

Asnorban: Jun 13, 2003; Professor Gavelsmoke

Do Criterion ever announce when they are taking a bluray out of print? I made the mistake of not getting The Man Who Fell To Earth before it went out of print and am now paranoid about missing some of these before they go out. Would be nice to see a list so I could prioritize those at these sales.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 16:49

VoodooXT: Feb 24, 2006; I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Asnorban posted:

Do Criterion ever announce when they are taking a bluray out of print? I made the mistake of not getting The Man Who Fell To Earth before it went out of print and am now paranoid about missing some of these before they go out. Would be nice to see a list so I could prioritize those at these sales.

They do announce them but it's not something they splash over their front page; you hear about it from their FB page or from the Criterion Forums.

BTW, Chungking Express just went out of print.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 16:57

Asnorban: Jun 13, 2003; Professor Gavelsmoke

VoodooXT posted:

They do announce them but it's not something they splash over their front page; you hear about it from their FB page or from the Criterion Forums.

BTW, Chungking Express just went out of print.

Thanks. Chungking Express is on my wishlist, so I'll probably be making a trip just to see if they have that in stock near me.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 17:05

Kull the Conqueror: Apr 8, 2006; Take me to the green valley,
lay the sod o'er me,
I'm a young cowboy,
I know I've done wrong

Just double checking: You guys are 100% sure that December preorders will honor the half-off price?

# ? Nov 1, 2012 17:40

barkingclam: Jun 20, 2007

VoodooXT posted:

They do announce them but it's not something they splash over their front page; you hear about it from their FB page or from the Criterion Forums.

BTW, Chungking Express just went out of print.

For what it's worth, Barnes and Noble says they still have the DVD in stock. I just rolled the dice on that and Hidden Fortress.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 17:51

kuddles: Jul 16, 2006; Like a fist wrapped in blood...

Kull the Conqueror posted:

Just double checking: You guys are 100% sure that December preorders will honor the half-off price?

No, nobody is sure. But you can be 100% sure that they aren't going to secretly charge you full price after the fact without telling you.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 18:20

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

ZackHoagie posted:

Who the gently caress are you reading, Bonnie and Clyde gets lavish praise even to this day.

Yeah, it's a loving landmark of cinema. I mean not only is a great film looked at entirely for its own merits, but it was ahead of its time and is one of the dozen or so most influential films to come out of Hollywood. Who the gently caress is it `out of favor' with and what other crazy kinds of things do they say?

# ? Nov 1, 2012 20:05

kuddles: Jul 16, 2006; Like a fist wrapped in blood...

I was under the impression that the reputation of Bonnie & Clyde has actually increased with time, as it's now seen as the catalyst for pushing American cinema into the "New Hollywood" era.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 20:41

fix yr hearts: Feb 9, 2011; things you cannot touch:
my heart

Yeah, I've read nothing but (deserved) praise for B&C.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 20:55

Jack Does Jihad: Jun 18, 2003; Yeah, this is just right. Has a nice feel, too.

Where are all the coupons at, and why do people hide them

# ? Nov 1, 2012 22:45

juan the owl: Oct 26, 2007; THERE'S A MONSTER AT THE END OF THIS POST!!

I gotta disagree re: Bonnie and Clyde. Its definitely still a well-known movie, but I think as it becomes easier and easier to see the French New Wave movies it was inspired by, it's own reputation has just been decreasing (with most serious critics, anyway). I mean, this was a movie that it wasn't hard to find declared The Greatest Movie EVER for a few years after its release. Now it didn't even rank in the latest Sight and Sound poll. It's always going to get trotted out every now and then as "influential," but the zeitgeist has long passed.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 23:33

fix yr hearts: Feb 9, 2011; things you cannot touch:
my heart

juan the owl posted:

(with most serious critics, anyway).

Who?

# ? Nov 1, 2012 23:51

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

juan the owl posted:

Now it didn't even rank in the latest Sight and Sound poll. It's always going to get trotted out every now and then as "influential," but the zeitgeist has long passed.

You could say the same thing about, say, Jaws (1975) or Halloween (1978). If you look at a random modern Hollywood film you might not find that many direct lines of influence between it and those two films. But those two films changed the landscape so profoundly that very few Hollywood films aren't affected by that if not the films themselves.

I think the same's true of Penn's Bonnie and Clyde (1967). The fact that what was new and remarkable about the film has become so metabolised by mainstream Hollywood that it's just part of the institutional mode of representation today doesn't diminish the importance of Penn's film, it just underlines it. The same is true of, say, the films of D.W. Griffith. It isn't like modern filmmakers are going back to his Biograph shorts to study how intercutting or shooting close-ups works, but that doesn't mean that films that use intercutting or close-ups---which is to say essentially every loving film made today---aren't influenced by Griffith's films.

# ? Nov 1, 2012 23:54

Zogo: Jul 29, 2003

SubG posted:

...but it was ahead of its time and is one of the dozen or so most influential films to come out of Hollywood.

What are the other dozen or so that are as influential?

# ? Nov 2, 2012 00:08

TrixRabbi: Aug 20, 2010; Time for a little robot chauvinism!

juan the owl posted:

I gotta disagree re: Bonnie and Clyde. Its definitely still a well-known movie, but I think as it becomes easier and easier to see the French New Wave movies it was inspired by, it's own reputation has just been decreasing (with most serious critics, anyway). I mean, this was a movie that it wasn't hard to find declared The Greatest Movie EVER for a few years after its release. Now it didn't even rank in the latest Sight and Sound poll. It's always going to get trotted out every now and then as "influential," but the zeitgeist has long passed.

It's still a drat good movie in it's own right. And I'm going to second the request for some serious critics who have bashed the movie.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 01:10

Magic Hate Ball: May 6, 2007; ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

I do like what Godard said after seeing the film before it was released: "All right, now let's go make Bonnie & Clyde!" (he'd been offered the film and turned it down). It does feel like a weak imitation of a French New-Wave film (in a sort of retroactive sense it's like Badlands meets Band Of Outsiders) but it's hard to deny the impact it had on the American cinema landscape. And in any case I couldn't imagine calling it a "guilty pleasure", which suggests that it's a lousy or silly film.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 01:17

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

Zogo posted:

What are the other dozen or so that are as influential?

I didn't really have a particular list in mind, I was just emphasising the importance of the Penn film. But off the top of my head: The Birth of a Nation (1915) (first film to be a cultural touchstone to that extent, establishment of the first real institutional mode, too much else to mention here), It Happened One Night (1934) (the prototypical romantic comedy, everything else you can say about Capra), Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (demonstrating the commercial viability of the animated feature film and being their template), Stagecoach (1939) (defining the sensibilities of the studio-era Western, which in turn defined distinctly American studio-era filmmaking), Citizen Kane (1941) (too much to discuss here, notably its commercial failure ensuring the non-emergence of auteur-driven film as part of mainstream Hollywood until the Penn film we're discussing), A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) (for containing arguably the single most influential performance in all of cinema), Shadows (1959) or maybe Faces (1968) (for all the ways they predict `independent filmmaking'), Klute (1971) or The Godfather (1972) (for Willis' photography, which would become the most important visual element of American filmmaking until the advent of digital effects), Jaws (1975) (for being the first modern blockbuster, which has shaped Hollywood ever since), Halloween (1978) (for shifting the emphasis of horror to the antagonist, inevitably leading to the development of the film franchise as distinct from the film sequel, and too much else to discuss here).

Like I said, that's off the top of my head; I didn't really have those specific titles in mind when I made the comment. And keep in mind this is just American film. Specifically feature-length narrative film. So no Gertie the Dinosaur (1914) or Meshes of the Afternoon (1943) or Nanook of the North (1922) or Deep Throat (1972).

Magic Hate Ball posted:

It does feel like a weak imitation of a French New-Wave film (in a sort of retroactive sense it's like Badlands meets Band Of Outsiders) but it's hard to deny the impact it had on the American cinema landscape.

I really don't think Penn's film is merely aping the style of Nouvelle Vague; it is a resolutely and distinctly American film. Bande � Part (1964) is this whimsical deconstruction of the gangster film with Godard's manic social conscience. Bonnie and Clyde isn't whimsical. Indeed, it seems to be an intentional reaction to that sense of whimsy---the protagonists want to be in Bande � Part---stylish and carefree and let's stop all the bank robbing for a little dance number. They don't really want to be criminals. The problem is that they are, they're not very good at it, and being someone who does armed robberies for a living isn't something for a carefree spirit, it's brutal and grotesque. I think it's easy to miss this today, since the violence seems almost pedestrian compared to the kind of violence you see on screens today. But at the time it was considered almost pornographically shocking.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 03:39

Criminal Minded: Jan 4, 2005; Spring break forever

SubG posted:

Klute (1971) or The Godfather (1972) (for Willis' photography, which would become the most important visual element of American filmmaking until the advent of digital effects)

I'd be curious for you to expand on this.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 03:59

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

SubG posted:

Deep Throat (1972)

This would make a pretty awesome Criterion collection release. Not for jerk off material, but maybe as a box set of early 60's and 70's pornographic films that hit the cultural mainstream.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 04:12

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

Criminal Minded posted:

I'd be curious for you to expand on this.

Think of the look of a drama in the '70s. You're imagining murky, underexposed shadows, earth tones, amber highlights (usually lit from overhead or alongside the figure being illuminated). Whites aren't pure white. Warm colours.

I mean pick any random frame from the first two Godfather films and think about what makes it distinctive, and it's Willis. And that look was just as important in the '70s as the Miami Vice look was for the '80s, with the distinction that that Willis look became part of the native look of film, not just stylised film (like with Mann's visual sensibilities).

Willis is also, as far as I know, the reason why sepia tones mean flashback.

It's difficult to talk about this without screenshots, but I don't have my DVDs of the Godfather films and I don't have a blu ray player that I can pull an image off of.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 04:27

Magic Hate Ball: May 6, 2007; ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

DVDBeaver and Blu-ray.com and probably a dozen other screencap sites are all waiting at the ready to supply you with handy frames if you feel like it.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 04:41

Zogo: Jul 29, 2003

SubG posted:

Like I said, that's off the top of my head; I didn't really have those specific titles in mind when I made the comment. And keep in mind this is just American film.

Thanks, I haven't seen about half of those. More films for me to add into the shameful thread at a later point.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 04:44

juan the owl: Oct 26, 2007; THERE'S A MONSTER AT THE END OF THIS POST!!

TrixRabbi posted:

It's still a drat good movie in it's own right. And I'm going to second the request for some serious critics who have bashed the movie.

I never said anyone was bashing it. Just that you'd be hard pressed to find a consensus that it ranks among the all-time greats, which used to be a pretty common opinion. It's influential, popular, and well-regarded, but not a movie you'd expect to see lavish praise heaped upon all that often in "serious" circles, stuff like Cineaste or CineAction; I mention them specifically because it's those people who write film textbooks and to some extent control the narrative of "film history," even if their influence on newspaper critics and the average movie fan is pretty tiny.

But anyway, that said: it still doesn't make any sense to call it a guilty pleasure.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 07:14

RustedChrome: Jun 10, 2007; "do not hold the camera obliquely, or the world will seem to be on an inclined plane."

juan the owl posted:

I never said anyone was bashing it. Just that you'd be hard pressed to find a consensus that it ranks among the all-time greats, which used to be a pretty common opinion. It's influential, popular, and well-regarded, but not a movie you'd expect to see lavish praise heaped upon all that often in "serious" circles, stuff like Cineaste or CineAction; I mention them specifically because it's those people who write film textbooks and to some extent control the narrative of "film history," even if their influence on newspaper critics and the average movie fan is pretty tiny.

But anyway, that said: it still doesn't make any sense to call it a guilty pleasure.

Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned it as it's not a Criterion anyway. :emo:

# ? Nov 2, 2012 09:35

codyclarke: Jan 10, 2006; IDIOT SOUP

Went a little Pre-Order crazy:

Rashomon (Love it, haven't seen it in a while, eager to see it on blu-ray)
Trilogy of Life (Haven't seen any of them, but all the stills I've seen have been way up my alley)
Heaven's Gate (Haven't seen it, but I absolutely adore Vilmos Zsigmond, so I know I'll be mesmerized on at least one level)
Purple Noon (I adore Delon, and Forbidden Games is one of my favorite movies ever)
Eclipse Series 37: When Horror Came To Shochiku (Japanese Eclipse sets haven't failed me yet)

Ones I'm intrigued by and might get later: Le Notti Bianche, Spirit of the Beehive, La Promesse. Anyone have thoughts on any of those three?

# ? Nov 2, 2012 09:38

VoodooXT: Feb 24, 2006; I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

mod sassinator posted:

This would make a pretty awesome Criterion collection release. Not for jerk off material, but maybe as a box set of early 60's and 70's pornographic films that hit the cultural mainstream.

~~Blue Underground kind of does this with their Midnight Blue series.~~

EDIT:

Derp, nevermind. Midnight Blue is that late night cable TV show.

VoodooXT fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Nov 2, 2012

# ? Nov 2, 2012 09:51

SubG: Aug 19, 2004; It's a hard world for little things.

juan the owl posted:

I never said anyone was bashing it. Just that you'd be hard pressed to find a consensus that it ranks among the all-time greats, which used to be a pretty common opinion.

It's #42 on the AFI list. And #144 on the TSPDT list. It's on Roger Ebert's list of great films. It isn't on the BFI top 50, but it is a subject of one of their `Film Classics' texts (by Lester Friedman). If you look at the negative reviews listed on rottentomatoes, the only one that isn't one from 1967 (TIME, New York Times, and Variety all panned the film on its initial release) is from Dennis Schwartz.

I mean I'm not a fan of lists and Rotten Tomatoes and in general really couldn't give a poo poo about the consensus. I'm just wondering where the hell you're getting the idea from.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 10:59

Mustach: Mar 2, 2003; In this long line, there's been some real strange genes. You've got 'em all, with some extras thrown in.

Important� or good? I think B&C is just okay.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 12:32

Space Fish: Oct 14, 2008; The original Big Tuna.

codyclarke posted:

Ones I'm intrigued by and might get later: Le Notti Bianche, Spirit of the Beehive, La Promesse. Anyone have thoughts on any of those three?

I watched Le Notti Bianche on a lark thanks to the public library. Beautiful night romance. The setting is so simple, but I can still see it in my mind. I've forgotten much of the plot, but the mood of the film still lingers. Definitely worth a look.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 13:06

FitFortDanga: Nov 19, 2004; Nice try, asshole

codyclarke posted:

Ones I'm intrigued by and might get later: Le Notti Bianche, Spirit of the Beehive, La Promesse. Anyone have thoughts on any of those three?

All really good.

I'll just say that as influential as B&C is, I don't get all that excited by it. It's really good for a while but I lose interest about halfway through. I haven't seen it for quite a while, though.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 15:14

robix smash: Jul 21, 2003; Mario is Missing

Anyone else having trouble placing their order with B&N? Tried to order For All Mankind and the order never registered except that I can't use my Halloween coupon code again. So the girl on the B&N chat said she'll just credit me the $6 when I make a new order, so I go for The Seventh Seal and again they can't find the order.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 18:48

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 16:39

SpunkyRedKnight: Oct 12, 2000

robix smash posted:

Anyone else having trouble placing their order with B&N? Tried to order For All Mankind and the order never registered except that I can't use my Halloween coupon code again. So the girl on the B&N chat said she'll just credit me the $6 when I make a new order, so I go for The Seventh Seal and again they can't find the order.

I placed an order a few days ago and got an order number but no email and it doesn't show up on their website. I figured it was cause it included pre-order items. No charge on my card either.

# ? Nov 2, 2012 18:55

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