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Religious fundamentalists do tend to get voted out quickly after they've been voted in, but there are plenty of examples of "reformers" getting voted in and then rescinding democracy to stay in power. Either way, I say let him make an rear end of himself. How hard is it to move from one GCC country to another if "democrats" turn Kuwait into a new Saudi?
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People keep using the word Salafi pretty interchangeably with Islamism, but isn't it a bit more nuanced than that? I thought that it contained many interpretations of what the first Muslim leaders actually wanted. For instance, could a more liberal Salafi not say that the first leaders oversaw tons of change, with an air of openness to discovery and thus lead their life in a more scientific way? I could be way off base but I swear I learned about this in a modern Middle Eastern history class.
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Friendly Factory posted:People keep using the word Salafi pretty interchangeably with Islamism, but isn't it a bit more nuanced than that? I thought that it contained many interpretations of what the first Muslim leaders actually wanted. For instance, could a more liberal Salafi not say that the first leaders oversaw tons of change, with an air of openness to discovery and thus lead their life in a more scientific way? I could be way off base but I swear I learned about this in a modern Middle Eastern history class. It is a bit nuanced. Early liberal modernists like Mohammed Abduh did refer to themselves as "Salafi" and were possibly the among first people to do so, and they emphasized the rationality of the Salaf. Abduh was a rationalist and held skeptical views found in a lot of Mutazali writing. The normative use of Salafi today, though, has nothing to do with Abduh. It is extremely unlikely for any liberal Muslim to call themselves Salafi, unless they are trying to rhetorically reclaim it from the Wahabis.
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Nov 5, 2012 17:57
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Lascivious Sloth posted:To be honest you both have legitimate points and views. There is a good reason there is a fear of a populist Salafist with views as described taking power, because in the past there have always been extremists that hijack a legitimate overthrow and create an even worse government, ie. Iran, Libya, Lenin and the list goes on and on. To say gently caress the Emirates, revolution rock on, and then have someone that would redact women's right to vote, would be a big slap in the face of democracy and any revolution that would prescribed under the pretense of human rights and democracy. On the other hand, democracy has proven to be but a encroaching empowerment on society and is inevitable, so why not let the country go through the due process to obtain it. It's hard to take a side when you have the optimism of a better future, but the knowledge of history. OP thinks Lenin was worse than the czar. Omfg.
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Nov 5, 2012 18:06
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This unusual footage shows the opposition using a tank to attack another tank in Aleppo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhfZliWeLmM And this footage shows opposition artillery, but check out the voice on the radio at 23s in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGRaY5CvjJ8 Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 5, 2012 |
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Nov 5, 2012 21:54
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Brown Moses posted:This unusual footage shows the opposition using a tank to attack another tank in Aleppo That tank fight, how loving close did they get before the other tank noticed them?  e: Maybe it's the angle, but they sure look like they are only a few hundred meters apart.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:15
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Pimpmust posted:That tank fight, how loving close did they get before the other tank noticed them? It's not easy to see much in a tank. The driver views the world through either a video screen or a tiny slit in the front, the commander can't see poo poo unless he unbuttons the hatch and stands up in the cupola. Once again, it's stupid to deploy tanks without infantry support.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:26
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Zeroisanumber posted:It's not easy to see much in a tank. The driver views the world through either a video screen or a tiny slit in the front, the commander can't see poo poo unless he unbuttons the hatch and stands up in the cupola. I think there's a guy sat on the tank that gets hit, I get the feeling they don't realise it's controlled by the opposition, it's not like that's a common thing.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:34
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Pimpmust posted:That tank fight, how loving close did they get before the other tank noticed them? Judging by the sound the camera is quite a distance away you you really can't judge depth.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:34
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Brown Moses posted:This unusual footage shows the opposition using a tank to attack another tank in Aleppo That's some very unique footage right there - classic tank on tank combat doesn't happen very often these days, not to mention the crisp, ground-level video.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:37
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Brown Moses posted:And this footage shows opposition artillery, but check out the voice on the radio at 23s in It sounds like the voice says "fourteen". What's the significance?
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Nov 5, 2012 22:51
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Chamale posted:It sounds like the voice says "fourteen". What's the significance? That's what I'm trying to figure out, could be an recorded voice that's part of an automated system, although it's interesting enough the opposition is using howitzers. Here's something that I have to say made me a bit giddy with excitement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lnd3233dXQ
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It sounds like an automated chip-voice to me, the accent is neutral American English, well enunciated, and is not distorted by radio static. My guess is they are using commercial handheld radios for communication, some can be set to eyes-free mode, where they will speak and beep like that.
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MRC48B posted:It sounds like an automated chip-voice to me, the accent is neutral American English, well enunciated, and is not distorted by radio static. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi51jb9zEU
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Nov 6, 2012 00:27
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Al-Saqr posted:A) these are his own kooky thoughts and opinions, remember the guy's a salafist so it's not strange at all that he has anti-women tendencies, welcome to the gulf. Let's see if he can get any of his ideas passed in an actual, functioning parliament where he has to compromise with every other part of Kuwaiti society. Give me a goddamn break. Someone who wants to disenfranchise half the electorate isn't "fighting for democracy" under any definition. That's not hypocracy, that's flat-out the opposite of pro-democratic. And the idea that a radical should be supported because he couldn't really turn his ideas into law is ludicrous. Anyway, some Kuwaiti guy I was listening to on another forum was saying that he hates the autocratic government, but the Salafis in charge of these protests are even worse, and Westerners should do some research into who they're cheering on before they look like fools.
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Don't know if this was posted yet, but: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/11/201211416528796956.html RPG battles in Tripoli, carbombs in Benghazi. I hope the situation doesn't deteriorate.
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Nov 6, 2012 05:56
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Here's a unique picture of an unexploded ODAB 500-PMV fuel air bomb that crashed through someone's roof in Aleppo. 
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The UN has caught up with cluster bombs in Syriaquote:UN has “credible” evidence Syria army using cluster bombs
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Lavrov is totally talking poo poo about the FIM-92s. With the FSA's penchant for documenting weapons larger than something that chambers .22LR, shots of Stingers would be all over the place by now.
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Nov 6, 2012 23:40
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suboptimal posted:Lavrov is totally talking poo poo about the FIM-92s. With the FSA's penchant for documenting weapons larger than something that chambers .22LR, shots of Stingers would be all over the place by now. Given the regime's propensity for flying low and slow over rebel positions in helicopters, we'd also probably have seen some aircraft shot down by them by now.
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Mokotow posted:That's some very unique footage right there - classic tank on tank combat doesn't happen very often these days, not to mention the crisp, ground-level video. I'm having a hard time thinking of a filmed example within the last few decades. Maybe from the Bosnian War? There's the Battle of 73 Easting, but the Iraqi opposition was completely outclassed even under a sandstorm. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Nov 7, 2012 |
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Fallom posted:I'm having a hard time thinking of a filmed example within the last few decades. Maybe from the Bosnian War? Bosnia definitely had some tank combat but I doubt it was filmed. Maybe the few times the UN peacekeepers had some tanks come under attack, perhaps.
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"Turkey & its allies, incl US, discuss possibility of using patriot missiles to protect Syrian people:Turkish official" https://twitter.com/BreakingNews Uh.. I wonder if it's just a misunderstanding of this quote:Turkey plans to officially request NATO deploy a Patriot missile defense system in its territories as a security precaution against a potential large-scale military offensive from Syria as Syrian shelling on the border raises tensions. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-request-patriot-deployment-from-nato.aspx?pageID=238&nid=33790
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Fallom posted:I'm having a hard time thinking of a filmed example within the last few decades. Maybe from the Bosnian War? Yeah, I think we took more casualties at 73 Easting from friendly fire than from enemy action. I remember that because that's where the only record of combat losses of the M1 Abrams came from prior to the Iraq War, and it was because they shot at each other thinking they were Iraqi armor.
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Nov 7, 2012 13:27
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A bunch of loot from an air defence base in Idlib, including at least 4 SA-7s, and a box of SA-7 batteries, which implies there's more in the crates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEi1cv9tV7k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1EreUyCYAE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3gb8Fmd7LI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz93ijIfbHY From another area lots of Shilka barrels, plus some mysterious green barrels that no-one I know has been able to ID yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Earm2ulAnkg
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That's a lot of gear, especially a bunch of should-be functioning SA-7. It's not like the rebels are gonna overrun less bases now and if they are starting to pull out the MBTs things aint' looking too rosy for Assad.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23b_1352298184 Seemingly another camera captured the same tank vs. tank incident seen in the video from last page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhfZliWeLmM
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Nov 7, 2012 17:56
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Brown Moses posted:Here's a unique picture of an unexploded ODAB 500-PMV fuel air bomb that crashed through someone's roof in Aleppo. Stop poking that bomb people!
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Nov 7, 2012 19:11
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Punching bombs is a sign of virility.
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VICE magazine has done a fairly decent guide to all aspects of Syria that's worth a read http://www.vice.com/read/the-vice-guide-to-syria-0000456-v19n11?Contentpage=-1
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Nov 7, 2012 20:44
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This video appears to show civilians being used as human shields by Assad's forces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4qUOgs0NN8
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Nov 7, 2012 21:29
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What's been happening in Algeria? It seems like that was the only country that didn't really get any huge protests, and we never really heard much coming out of it. Is it apprehension from the recent civil war, or something else stopping people from coming out?
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Nov 8, 2012 10:20
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gwaaargh posted:Assad is staying put, it seems. What a shocker. Dictator refuses to go. Brown Moses posted:This video appears to show civilians being used as human shields by Assad's forces. Well that's just disgusting right there. Hopefully it will get some attention from the UN.
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I've put my name in for "The Golden Twit" awards for best political Tweeter, and you can vote for me here, let's totally fix this thing!
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gwaaargh posted:Assad is staying put, it seems. This is not news, he has said this multiple times already since the conflict started. I was surprised to see that the UK offered him safe transport and the media hyped it up, when he's clearly said multiple times he has no intention of leaving, ever.
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Brown Moses posted:I've put my name in for "The Golden Twit" awards for best political Tweeter, and you can vote for me here, let's totally fix this thing! The CIA/MI-6's affinity for fixing the vote extends to Twitter, I see.
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suboptimal posted:The CIA/MI-6's affinity for fixing the vote extends to Twitter, I see. Bitch, please. We all know that BM secretly represents the Imperialist Lizard People (Reformed).
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Part 3 of VICE's "Ground Zero: Syria" is up on youtube now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vUZBSPsSQ  and  , obviously.It's crazy to think about how long this has been going on now. What do you make of Cameron's promise for a renewed Syria effort together with Obama, Brown Moses? What would have to be their first steps? Do you think they'll try to unify the opposition, or pick a few favourite groups to support? Or focus more on the humanitarian side for now, supporting Turkey's refugee camps and the Red Cross in Syria? Such a clusterfuck this whole thing  Edit: Here's another video I found by a Joseph Holliday at "Institute for the Study of War". Their way to track the opposition and its' attacks seem pretty sophisticated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lnd3233dXQ gimpfarfar fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 8, 2012 |
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I hope that now that the election is over that Obama can start working on Syria, but after following this thread for a while I don't know what they can do, other than what they're already doing and create some safe places for refugees across the border. I felt like the case for why NATO can't do what they did in Libya was made well, and the two sides are just going to have to duke it out. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like this could keep going through 2013.
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