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Nitrousoxide posted:Debt collection is the most soul sucking work I've experienced but goddamn if you don't get a bunch of hearing/trial experience. I just applied for a job representing the state in child protective services. I imagine it's a similar soul sucking/trial experience ratio.
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Gilgamesh posted:I just applied for a job representing the state in child protective services. I imagine it's a similar soul sucking/trial experience ratio. More law students should encouraged to volunteer as CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate). Volunteers act as a counterweights to the parents and the state by doing their best to represent only the interests of children involved in worst and most complex child abuse cases. They work just one or two cases at a time from start to finish. I don't want to think about how bad their turn-over rate must be.
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Nov 15, 2012 19:39
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Gobbeldygook posted:More law students should encouraged to volunteer as CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate). Volunteers act as a counterweights to the parents and the state by doing their best to represent only the interests of children involved in worst and most complex child abuse cases. They work just one or two cases at a time from start to finish. I don't want to think about how bad their turn-over rate must be. They heavily encouraged this at my school and I actually got my wife (non-attorney) interested enough to do it. She lasted one case, and she is a pretty strong person. They told her it was pretty common to have people go through the training and then only do one or two.
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Nov 15, 2012 19:55
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Yesterday I billed two hours researching if someone could ride their horse downtown to go pay a parking ticket. That is my lawyer story. Thanks for listening.
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Nov 15, 2012 20:22
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TenementFunster posted:Yesterday I billed two hours researching if someone could ride their horse downtown to go pay a parking ticket. That is my lawyer story. Thanks for listening. Can they? I know in Ohio its a minor misdemeanor to allow your horse to mate with another while on a public street.
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Nov 15, 2012 20:34
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Athenry posted:Can they? I know in Ohio its a minor misdemeanor to allow your horse to mate with another while on a public street.
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Nov 15, 2012 20:42
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TenementFunster posted:Yesterday I billed two hours researching if someone could ride their horse downtown to go pay a parking ticket. That is my lawyer story. Thanks for listening. I was looking that up for my state (Texas) and found that it's generally accepted as long as a municipality doesn't forbid it (except on highways). And then I found this; "§ 342.203. Ferry Charge on Swimming Cow or Horse The commissioners court may not authorize a charge of more than one cent for each cow or horse swimming the river at a location for which a license is issued to operate a ferry, including the use of a pen or boat necessary to control the animal." Good to know I don't have to spend more than a couple cents to swim my livestock across a ferry route.
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Nov 15, 2012 20:44
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Gobbeldygook posted:More law students should encouraged to volunteer as CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate). Volunteers act as a counterweights to the parents and the state by doing their best to represent only the interests of children involved in worst and most complex child abuse cases. They work just one or two cases at a time from start to finish. I don't want to think about how bad their turn-over rate must be. CASA, aka "bored housewives offering opinions about things they aren't qualified to give opinions on."
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Nov 15, 2012 21:10
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Nitrousoxide posted:Debt collection is the most soul sucking work I've experienced but goddamn if you don't get a bunch of hearing/trial experience. You should try family law. I feel bad when I win for some of my cients. The most heartless soul-sucking motherfuckers are insurance defense attorneys though. I don't know how they live with themselves.
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Nov 15, 2012 22:08
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CaptainScraps posted:You should try family law. I feel bad when I win for some of my cients.
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Nov 15, 2012 22:18
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Stunt Rock posted:CASA, aka "bored housewives offering opinions about things they aren't qualified to give opinions on." Every CASA I have ever dealt with was an obstructionist know-nothing piece of poo poo. No exceptions. (Sample size: 1)
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Nov 15, 2012 22:29
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nm posted:Trial is much more marketable (those of use who do criminal are mostly appealing in civil because we have more jury trials in a year than they have in a lifetime). If you leave trial, be prepared to explain why. So how does federal appellate work stack up in the grande scheme of things? I found a job opening and got some references for a position dealing with federal and state supreme court appellate work. How do firms and government agencies view this sort of experience, as opposed to county and state appellate court experience? I imagine after a year or two I could shift to another department, but the idea of federal appeals sounds special enough to make me think it will look valuable on my resume.
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Nov 16, 2012 01:14
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Today in a depo I had a gentlemen lie in the following way: Secretary of State lists him as president and director of XYZ Corp. He signed a bankruptcy petition as "gentlemen as president of XYZ Corp". Q: "Tell me about XYZ Corp." A: "I've never heard of XYZ Corp." Q: "Isn't this your signature?" A: "yes" Q: "And you've never heard of XYZ Corp?" A: "nope" Maybe I shouldn't be amazed that people lie but why pick such a blatant one?
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Nov 16, 2012 02:31
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Roger_Mudd posted:Today in a depo I had a gentlemen lie in the following way:
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Nov 16, 2012 02:44
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Roger_Mudd posted:Maybe I shouldn't be amazed that people lie but why pick such a blatant one? Did you say "Do you always sign whatever is placed in front of your face?"
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Nov 16, 2012 02:46
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Roger_Mudd posted:Today in a depo I had a gentlemen lie in the following way: gvibes fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Nov 16, 2012 |
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Nov 16, 2012 03:29
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gvibes posted:I had an attorney deponent state, under oath, that a homeless person wandered into their office, forged his signature, and filed a defective pleading at issue. hahahahahahaha i love the mental image of the homeless dude walking into the office.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:52
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Agesilaus posted:So how does federal appellate work stack up in the grande scheme of things? I found a job opening and got some references for a position dealing with federal and state supreme court appellate work. If you're doing quality Federal Circuit work that might be interesting, particularly if you're actually doing oral arguments. Tetrix posted:hahahahahahaha i love the mental image of the homeless dude walking into the office.
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Nov 16, 2012 03:52
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CaptainScraps posted:The most heartless soul-sucking motherfuckers are insurance defense attorneys though. I don't know how they live with themselves. By screwing each other over as much as possible.
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Nov 16, 2012 04:53
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Agesilaus posted:So how does federal appellate work stack up in the grande scheme of things? I found a job opening and got some references for a position dealing with federal and state supreme court appellate work. quepasa18 posted:Unless you don't care if you're fired, you might want to be careful how many people you tell about looking for another job. If it gets back to your current firm, they might fire you immediately. CaptainScraps posted:The most heartless soul-sucking motherfuckers are insurance defense attorneys though. I don't know how they live with themselves.
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Nov 16, 2012 14:17
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10-8 posted:You should maybe just apply to places and see where you can get an offer before worrying about your next next job. I don't think you appreciate how hard it's going to be for you to just get your next job in this market. I don't see how you can do a job search without looking at the bigger picture. If it didn't matter where I worked, and where I wanted my career to go, I would find a legal job far more easily. I get the second paragraph, though. I don't tell people unless I'm looking for advice on the search or references/support, but my professional network consists almost entirely of people I work with (not that those people are necessarily in my office). Agesilaus fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Nov 16, 2012 |
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Nov 16, 2012 14:32
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Goonspeed to all July CA bar homies. What am I supposed to do at work today? Like when is it cool to leave early and drink...
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Nov 16, 2012 15:35
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sigmachiev posted:Goonspeed to all July CA bar homies. What am I supposed to do at work today? Like when is it cool to leave early and drink... Why leave? Just get a bottle of bourbon at lunch.
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Nov 16, 2012 16:07
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evilweasel posted:Why leave? Just get a bottle of bourbon at lunch. Probably the only time for the next 1-2 years your employer will actually let you leave early. Might as well take advantage.
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Nov 16, 2012 18:44
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Yeeee Ling come to PB I'll buy you a drink https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9vIUmYIQQ
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Nov 17, 2012 03:44
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TenementFunster posted:I know gently caress all about family law, but thankfully limited experiences have led me to believe that human males are unfit to raise children generally. also child support should be an permanent, automatic garnishment Well when you're in court for a cs violation 99 percent of the time there is nothing to garnish. As to parental fitness, after being at Legal Aid for a while doing family law my conclusion is that nobody ever is fit to raise children, but whatever they'll probably be fine. Also gently caress DSS/CPS caseworkers and family court judges who don't know the rules of evidence. I'm gonna lose my drat mind if another police report gets let in without the officer to testify.
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Nov 17, 2012 16:06
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Urgh I went into a morning call yesterday that went out until almost 5 o'clock, with the last six hours literally consisting of me standing in court handling multiple cases I had never seen before, actively examining witnesses and then arguing non-stop in court. With the proper amount of discretion, I could have reached a much better result in far less time; I think the worst thing a prosecution office can do is try to take away all discretion.
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Nov 17, 2012 16:36
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Agesilaus posted:Urgh I went into a morning call yesterday that went out until almost 5 o'clock, with the last six hours literally consisting of me standing in court handling multiple cases I had never seen before, actively examining witnesses and then arguing non-stop in court. With the proper amount of discretion, I could have reached a much better result in far less time; I think the worst thing a prosecution office can do is try to take away all discretion. Agreed and taking away discretion probably violates some ethics rules too.
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Nov 17, 2012 20:07
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nm posted:Agreed and taking away discretion probably violates some ethics rules too. Mandatory minimums for everyone!
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Nov 17, 2012 20:09
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Mandatory minimums for everyone! Well, that's the legislature trying to take away the discretion, but in theory a prosecution office could add to the issue. The office could take away the trial prosecutor's ability to drop, reduce, or increase charges. The office policy could also mandate things like, every hearing/motion in a given case must always be done seperately rather than together at the same time. There are other examples I can think of, like making it policy that certain bargaining chips cannot be used (like agreeing to give back a defendant's driving privileges).
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Nov 17, 2012 21:44
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Agesilaus posted:Well, that's the legislature trying to take away the discretion, but in theory a prosecution office could add to the issue. The office could take away the trial prosecutor's ability to drop, reduce, or increase charges. The office policy could also mandate things like, every hearing/motion in a given case must always be done seperately rather than together at the same time. There are other examples I can think of, like making it policy that certain bargaining chips cannot be used (like agreeing to give back a defendant's driving privileges). One thing that comes to mind here is the Crown's position on offences against police officers. There was pressure from the police and as a result negotiating with them basic stuff is like pulling teeth.
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Nov 17, 2012 22:26
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Zarkov Cortez posted:One thing that comes to mind here is the Crown's position on offences against police officers. There was pressure from the police and as a result negotiating with them basic stuff is like pulling teeth. Well, have things developed in a series of stages since that happened? I imagine it might have started with the legislature creating a mandatory minimum for resistings, then the trial prosecutors amending them to attempt resistings to avoid the minimums, then the office policy saying there isn't such a thing as attempt resisting, then the trial prosecutors amending it to disorderly conduct, then the departments and the office saying that DC isn't appropriate, then the judges finding people guilty of attempt resisting to avoid the minimum, then everyone arguing with the prosecutor stuck in the middle with zero discretion and a huge case load piling up. Is that what happens over there?
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Nov 17, 2012 22:59
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 CA Bar passed smug smug smug Oh, you mean I'm still just a law grad without real training, skills, or a permanent job? Crap.
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Glowing Red Sign posted:
I was wondering why the CA attorney search was down. Congrats. I got my first full time, permanent (as opposed to temp positions) position almost exactly 2 years after I passed. Good luck! Agesilaus posted:Well, have things developed in a series of stages since that happened? I imagine it might have started with the legislature creating a mandatory minimum for resistings, then the trial prosecutors amending them to attempt resistings to avoid the minimums, then the office policy saying there isn't such a thing as attempt resisting, then the trial prosecutors amending it to disorderly conduct, then the departments and the office saying that DC isn't appropriate, then the judges finding people guilty of attempt resisting to avoid the minimum, then everyone arguing with the prosecutor stuck in the middle with zero discretion and a huge case load piling up. Is that what happens over there? Suddenly they can't reduce a .07 DUI to a dry reckless. This makes for trials or continuances until the MADD poo poo does away. nm fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Nov 17, 2012 |
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Nov 17, 2012 23:11
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nm posted:I was wondering why the CA attorney search was down. Congrats. Thanks! How did your employer consider those temp positions when hiring you? I've got some leads for temporary positions, but I don't know if anyone will think of those as actual work experience.
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Nov 17, 2012 23:15
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Glowing Red Sign posted:
Congrats bud was wondering where the other CA people were hiding.
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Nov 17, 2012 23:24
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Glowing Red Sign posted:Thanks! I'm a public defender and all my temp stuff was at PD offices, so it looked good (and is par for the course)
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Nov 17, 2012 23:31
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nm posted:I was wondering why the CA attorney search was down. Congrats. I had a similar experience except in Florida. It took me a year with some temp jobs in the meantime to find a permanent job. And to be perfectly honest I'm one of the luckier ones. Many of my friends still don't have jobs.
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sigmachiev posted:Congrats bud was wondering where the other CA people were hiding.
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Green Crayons posted:They are, only now, coming out from the haze of their celebration booze cruise. Congrats, you lot. Pass list is public now. Some real surprises in terms of who passed/failed but I'm sure that's normal to experience.
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