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constantIllusion
Feb 16, 2010

Dr. Tough posted:

quote:

As just one example, a leftist judge in New York City, Justice Lucy Billings, for two years has sat on a simple nuisance lawsuit (filed by a first responder who was fatally injured trying to save victims of 9/11) to shut down the Ground Zero mosque.

Is this guy trying to say that there are zombies who are so islamophobic, that they're filing lawsuits to prevent the Muslim take on the YMCA from opening?

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Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Dr. Tough posted:

There was another editorial last week in the same paper where a guy basically said that white people who didn't vote for Romney were race traitors. This is the best newspaper.

I think my favorite thing is that Robin Hood is depicted as a negative personage. Steal from the rich to give to the poor? Preposterous I say! Serfs these days aren't what they used to be, why most of my serfs have tunics. This kingdom is truly collapsing.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mo_Steel posted:

I think my favorite thing is that Robin Hood is depicted as a negative personage. Steal from the rich to give to the poor? Preposterous I say! Serfs these days aren't what they used to be, why most of my serfs have tunics. This kingdom is truly collapsing.

The same as depicting Obama as Santa Claus. It's really terrible messaging.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



So like, if I buy 15 people drinks I can just indict people or whatever? Because I want to indict this dude i know for being an rear end in a top hat. Instead of drinks could you do it online with a circle indictment, I'll vote to indict yours if you vote to indict mine. I'd rather do it on Judge Judy instead of the peoples court email me ya0if4n@aol

BoBtheImpaler
Oct 11, 2002
Dinosaur Gum
This seems pretty vile and low effort even for Fox News.

quote:

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off. It has also undermined their ability to become self-sufficient in the hopes of someday supporting a family. Men want to love women, not compete with them. They want to provide for and protect their families – it’s in their DNA. But modern women won’t let them.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/#ixzz2DHJiIM4M

Also, apparently Fox News has a little script that inserts the story URL into anything you copy and paste from their site. That's sort of nice I guess.

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.
In the space of two paragraphs, she goes from "a subculture of men who don't want to get married because 'women aren't women anymore'" to "the destruction of the relationship between the sexes."

Jesus, what crap.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

BoBtheImpaler posted:

This seems pretty vile and low effort even for Fox News.


Also, apparently Fox News has a little script that inserts the story URL into anything you copy and paste from their site. That's sort of nice I guess.
You missed the best parts.

quote:

That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

quote:

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity – and let men surrender to theirs.
Actually, Fox News, as a man, I'd rather women be independent and not submissive and subordinate to men, and to not be thought of as the complement of men, thanks.

Walter posted:

In the space of two paragraphs, she goes from "a subculture of men who don't want to get married because 'women aren't women anymore'" to "the destruction of the relationship between the sexes."

Jesus, what crap.
Look, those men are the ones who embrace their masculine nature.

BoBtheImpaler
Oct 11, 2002
Dinosaur Gum
Oh, it turns out this is Phyllis Schlafly's niece. No poo poo.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mamas-dont-let-your-babies-grow-be-brain-surgeons

quote:

Another point is why I say the reality is there are going to be some careers that are probably not going to be good options for you as a woman. I have an eleven year-old daughter and if we got into the conversation of what am I going to be in X number of years and she comes to me and says "Mom, I want to be a brain surgeon," I would ask her "Okay, is there anything else that you want in your life?"

And if she presumably then says "well, I'd like to get married and have children too," I'd say "then you'd probably better pick something else." And here's why: these two things are going to conflict majorly. You're going to spend ten years preparing for this major life as a brain surgeon - which is one kind of life, all consuming - and then right as your body is winding down biologically, you want to get married and have children. That ain't gonna work.

Blech.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



What if you were operating on Reagan's brain and you had to run home to change a nappy, huh? Huh!

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

BoBtheImpaler posted:

This seems pretty vile and low effort even for Fox News.


Also, apparently Fox News has a little script that inserts the story URL into anything you copy and paste from their site. That's sort of nice I guess.
I was just coming here to post that myself. It has some :biotruths: in it too:

quote:

Men want to love women, not compete with them. They want to provide for and protect their families – it’s in their DNA. But modern women won’t let them.

quote:

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity – and let men surrender to theirs.

If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.

"Young men don't want to get married, and if they say that they don't like how women are acting today, clearly that's a problem with feminism, and definitely not something the men need to get the gently caress over and act like adults about."

Also, women have "...been raised to think of men as the enemy," and according to Venker that's a completely novel thing from feminism, and not a result of society at large telling them that men are uncontrollable sex maniacs, or some men acting like an enemy.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010

Guilty Spork posted:

I was just coming here to post that myself. It has some :biotruths: in it too:



"Young men don't want to get married, and if they say that they don't like how women are acting today, clearly that's a problem with feminism, and definitely not something the men need to get the gently caress over and act like adults about."

Also, women have "...been raised to think of men as the enemy," and according to Venker that's a completely novel thing from feminism, and not a result of society at large telling them that men are uncontrollable sex maniacs, or some men acting like an enemy.

The best part for me is the false dichotomy of "femininity" vs. independence, career, equality, opportunity, etc.

You think it ever occurred to her that maybe her future husband would stay home and take care of the kids if she were pulling down neurosurgeon money?

I'm really sick of all these magazine articles, books, etc. about how "modern women can't have it all" and how they're "being stretched too thin with work and family," because they all have the faulty premise that somehow family and home care is supposed to be the woman's job, but not the man's, who is only held accountable for what he does at work. Why isn't the rallying cry that these men need to get off their asses and pitch in at home rather than this repackaging of old, anti-feminist tropes about women needing to choose between career and family? These socialized gender expectations are also insulting and demeaning to the men who actually do want to adopt more responsibility at home, so not only are these anti-feminist morons being misogynist, they're also being misandrist by insulting men who don't fit into their male stereotypes as less masculine and somehow disordered.

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
This is one of the most vile, disgusting things I've ever read -- a minor celebrity in my field attacks the idea of conference diversity. It's like a D&D greatest hits track of white privilege, wrapped up in pseudo-academic rhetoric. Luckily, the vast majority of my field is appalled by poo poo like this.

Design's Cult of Diversity by Andy Rutledge posted:

From the seventeenth through nineteenth centuries, many of my nation’s citizens believed and sometimes even built their commercial interests upon a particularly despicable and provably false idea: that the qualitative and moral measure of a human being was indicated primarily by the color of his or her skin. After the abolition of slavery and further poignant and even heroic efforts to fight against and correct the political left’s institutional canon [1], some Americans still hold with that idea. Some of them are designers.

Established sometime in the 1920s, the National Socialist German Workers' Party (the Nazi Party) had as one of its foundational ideals the notion that the qualitative and moral measure of an individual was indicated primarily by his or her ethnic heritage. Despite the provably false nature of that sentiment as well as the righteous military defeat of the political movement that most conspicuously espoused it, some even in America still hold with that idea. Some of them are designers.

Those who today most conspicuously hold with these despicable ideas are the ones who participate in vocal and animated fashion in the deceptive call for “diversity” in societal makeup…and in the design profession. The basis for their contention with what they call the “status quo” (despite the misnomer, an ever-changing and indefinable criterion useful for demagogues) is that the qualitative and moral measure of a group, event, or institution is based primarily or entirely on the skin color and gender of those present (e.g. white and/or male). By some sad but appropriate coincidence, this is the same qualitative measure used by early American slave owners and Nazis. [2]

According to some otherwise respected and conspicuous individuals in the design profession, if a group, an event, or institution is composed completely or even mostly of Caucasian males, it is a deficient, immoral, backward, exclusionary, pugnacious, or even evil assembly…according to whichever individual is weighing in on the topic. Their professed logic: the skin color and gender of the participants determines the quality of the group. We are therefore invited to believe that such supposedly bigoted groups should be required to include people of other genders and skin colors…and made qualitatively better because of the resultant diversity of skin color and gender.

Upon this racist, sexist foundation, the cult of diversity builds its church. It’s a church open to all who agree to sacrifice their morality and dignity. Won’t you come? Many do.

Reference

You could probably use some context. The issue that inspired this essay was the publication of Sara Wachter-Boettcher’s article, Universal Design IRL, which appeared recently in A List Apart. The article was in many ways a cogent and poignant look at issues that might well be considered and addressed by our community. The premise of this article, however, was a racist and sexist non sequitur that prompted a rare comment from me (I almost never write blog comments). As I could have reliably predicted, there then erupted a distorted and ignorance-based social media kerfuffle that took me to task for ideas I had neither expressed nor claimed.

I was blindly labeled and repeatedly called (and re-repeated, and retweeted) a racist and misogynist. All because I took issue with a racist and sexist premise for an article…that proclaimed diversity as the qualitative measure of any gathering, group, or institution. It’s important to note that my supposed crime had nothing to do with racism or sexism, but rather was the act of criticizing the cult of diversity. I therefore fully expect that this essay will earn me a life sentence.

Why is this an issue for designers?

You may recall that in my treatise, Design Professionalism, I cited the fact that among the characteristics of a profession is the requirement for professionals to have a capitalist morality. It does, of course, help if one has an understanding of what capitalism actually is. In any event, specifically I said in my professionalism treatise:

The responsibilities inherent to the practice of a profession are impossible to rationally maintain without a moral foundation that flows from a recognition of the singular right of the individual to his own life, along with all of its inherent and potential sovereign value; a concept that only capitalism recognizes, upholds and protects.

This requisite standard conflicts with the ethos and morality of the cult of diversity. Because if you believe that you or anyone else is entitled to station or accomplishment or to someone else’s property, effort, genius, no client can ever trust you to be a responsible steward of their business because you will at some point maintain you are entitled to their money without actually earning it in a mutually profitable exchange. That idea is the converse of the capitalist morality. It would, however, be consistent with the morality of the cult of diversity. Its morality is the same morality that says that it is immoral to live by your own effort, but moral to live by the effort of others; it is immoral to earn, but moral to mooch; it is evil to profit by achievement, but good to profit by sacrifice. It is the morality that proclaims that the men and women of achievement are examples of what is wrong with the world.

There is no room in the design profession for such a profane, destructive, and evil idea.

Divide and Conquer

The idea that says arbitrary diversity is better than the lack of diversity also says that your individual character, quality, morals, achievement, and dignity don’t matter. Only your skin color or gender matters. It says these racist and sexist ideals are the measure of what contributes to the quality of a group.

But according to whom?! These ridiculous and offensive ideas mean someone—individual or group—has placed themselves above the fray, calling the shots, establishing the value judgments without regard for objective morality or actually qualitative measures. It means that someone who wants to pull the strings regards others (not like them or beneath them) as things…to be arranged and toyed with. These cult members will never convincingly or rationally cozy up to the rather obvious fact that qualitative diversity comes from people who think differently, not from people who look differently.

Here’s an inescapable fact that too few people anywhere, even within the design profession, seem to recognize: deliberate efforts toward arbitrary or centrally planned diversity are always racist, sexist attacks on human dignity. That sort of effort is always focused on the imagined outcome, while the effect of the means is regarded as irrelevant. “I never intended that!” is the predictable, pathetic, and all-too-common cry of the blind diversity ideologue. Only the ends matter. No matter how many people are trodden upon, no matter how many are marginalized, no matter how many souls crushed or spirits cowed, no matter how many peoples’ dignity is destroyed—the only thing that matters is that we have X obedient people from each race, gender, and sexual orientation…or whatever arbitrary arrangement the cult of diversity decides.

That is not a beneficial, positive, or moral outcome. It is the racist or sexist conquest of the human soul.
“Affirmative Action” in whatever form it materializes is an insultingly inaccurate name for such a sinister mechanism. When you select someone for something based on the color of their skin, it is a racist attack on their dignity and sense of self worth. When you select someone for something based on their gender, it is a sexist attack on their dignity and sense of self worth. It is a contemptible, conceited message that proclaims: You are wholly incapable of doing for yourself and you therefore lack the ability to achieve what others can achieve on their own. Your selection is not based on ability or achievement or value, but instead on the fact that your skin is a certain color or you are of some specific gender, so you meet the quota qualification. Have a nice day.

Over the years I’ve had dear friends describe for me how their sense of accomplishment and self worth was destroyed after they were the “beneficiaries” of affirmative action policies. Both men and women and of different races have told me that as a result of their affirmative action selection, they now view every compliment, award, promotion, and accolade with suspicion.

These people will never again experience the joy of accomplishment. They will question every achievement, promotion, or recognition, rightly suspecting that it is a token table scrap arbitrarily bestowed for some agenda- or quota-driven reason…by someone or some group who holds the reins on an oxcart that these poor people unwittingly pull. Yes, they’re cattle; categorized, corralled, and utilized according to a racist or sexist agenda prosecuted by people who believe themselves better. This is your cult of diversity.

Design Conference Speakers and Events

Let’s bring this issue back toward the design profession for a moment. The people you watch and to whom you listen on stage at good industry conferences probably got there on merit and, therefore, probably have a worthwhile message to share. You should probably listen to them. They got there because they wanted to be there, believed their message warranted listening to, conquered their fears, and did the work required to win the spot on that stage.

Do you want to spend your very valuable time, money, and attention on someone who was selected not on merit and not because they want to be there, not because they conquered their fears or did the work required to qualitatively warrant selection…but because the organizers wanted a woman instead of a man, or because they wanted a Hispanic person instead of a Caucasian? That’s sexist or racist tokenism! It destroys peoples’ lives and dignity.

What does that sort of system have to do with anything valuable? How does the idea that someone’s skin color or gender indicates their value equate with quality or merit? To exclude or include someone because they have pink or black or brown or yellow skin is racism! To exclude or include someone because they have or do not have a penis is sexism! The only people who get something from this destructive central planning are the little tyrants who are arranging their obedient playthings around to their own satisfaction. It hurts everyone involved (except the community organizers).

Being and Nothingness

Yes, this is community organizing for the design industry. It is an effort that marginalizes and destroys the individual; individual dignity, individual quality, and individual will. Those who want to organize and control the “diversity” of such events despise accomplishment and ability because these things obviate their power over groups and individuals.

This diversity-based community organizing is an effort that turns dynamic, bright, shining individuals into arbitrary categories, then into an indistinct mush of mediocrity: One voice for all! “Stuff your individual voice, WE speak for you now.”

This effort is deliberate. If perhaps irrational and blind, one could apologize for such immoral and destructive behavior by proclaiming, “They know not what they do.” But they do. This effort is deliberate. The cult of diversity wants everyone—every group, as they prefer to see them—that perceives some emotional barrier to reward to obtain receive all of their achievement and advancement by no other means than by coming to the cult of diversity for help …and by some happy happenstance, those who perceive no such barriers are obliged—under penalty of societal ostracism—to submit to the rule and whim of the cult.

Playing on emotions, most of which were fomented by the cult’s deliberate actions anyway, is the easiest means to slay the easiest prey: minorities. Minorities: another racist/sexist label perpetuated by those who seek power over others. Indeed, this is the primary liturgy of the cult of diversity, much involved with a continual wailing about the supposed current plight of minorities (and useful to the cult only so long as they are or believe they are minorities. Ahem!). What the cult wants to obfuscate is the fact that every one of these so-called minorities is a sovereign individual who can drat well do whatever he or she wants to do. But that concept is itself the primary fly in the cult’s ointment.

One of the primary messages of the cult of diversity is that due to their concern and sacrifice, you need no longer worry about merit and accomplishment. No need to try or strive or improve, you’ll get what others have earned without having to earn it yourself. The cult of diversity doesn’t try to facilitate the recognition of individual merit, but to destroy the very idea of merit. The cult of diversity doesn’t seek to champion the accomplishment of people, but to destroy the very idea of accomplishment. The cult doesn’t seek to raise self esteem or dignity, but rather to crush it. You don’t need these things, you see.

So the cult of diversity says: sacrifice your morals and sacrifice your dignity and then WE will do for you what you couldn’t possibly do for yourself and so we’ll boost you up to supplant those of achievement and dignity…with you…because your gender or skin color is different from theirs. Behold; your victory!

Yes, the cult of diversity regards individual dignity as an affront to society. They believe individual dignity and achievement insults others by implication. And they wouldn’t want to be involved with something insulting, now would they?

While the penultimate motivation of the cult of diversity is to be freely able to treat people who are not like them as their little playthings, to be arranged according to their whim in their own personal dollhouse, their ultimate motivation is to destroy the individual and all morality along with it. This is their utopian society: the sovereign individual as the epitome of arrogance and evil, cowed and muzzled…and the indistinct, collective mush of mediocrity as the epitome of good and moral self sacrifice. Cowed and collared.

But when the individual disappears, all rational society and all morality disappear because objective morality is rooted only in the individual. The capable, willful, opinionated, unique, sovereign individual without a need or desire to go begging at the altar in the racist, sexist church of the cult of diversity is the single necessary pillar of society. When he or she is gone, so are we all.

You Are Sovereign

Man or woman, of whatever race, ethnic heritage, or sexual orientation: you are perfect just the way you are. You are a sovereign, valuable individual and the only one of your kind. You don’t need anyone’s permission or acknowledgement to forge your own path or to achieve whatever goals your ability and will can allow.

You are also the smallest minority on the planet. You are an individual. Anyone who claims to champion a “minority” cause and yet they discount individual earned achievement is trying to steal everything from you. Send them packing. When someone condescends to you and insults your character by assuming something about you based solely on the color of your skin or your gender or some other arbitrary category that motivates their bigotry, offer them your disdain…or perhaps a slap in the face…and go pursue your aims according to your own ambition, ability, and will.

You should be judged, criticized, rewarded, and admired according to the same criteria as every other individual on the planet, regardless of your race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation. You don’t need or deserve to be shoved into a category and treated like a helpless incompetent and you CERTAINLY don’t need to be lumped into a heard and treated like cattle. That is an attack on your human dignity.
You are sovereign, and nothing outside of your own mind and physical capability can hinder your accomplishment.

If you’re a designer, don’t be a part of the industry that entertains, allows, or invites racist and sexist idolatry into the profession. The profession fails under that sort of corruption and you cannot exist within it if you hold with the cult of diversity’s destructive and abusive morality. But most of all, don’t you dare let someone destroy your dignity and rob you of your morals in exchange for something you know drat well you can and should earn.

Footnotes:

-The Republican Party was founded in opposition to slavery and The Democrats’ History of Racism
-The Racism of Diversity, by Peter Schwartz

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
I decided to look up that footnote, and it was an op-ed article written by this guy:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_PeterSchwartz

Who also wrote-

"Stop Apologizing for Civilian Casualties" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7786&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"Freedom vs. Unlimited Majority Rule" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12777&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"In Defense of Income Inequality" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=14321&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"Feminism's War on Objectivity" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5216&news_iv_ctrl=2181

Sounds like a rock-solid citation, a powerful cornerstone for any article.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

30.5 Days posted:

I decided to look up that footnote, and it was an op-ed article written by this guy:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=media_PeterSchwartz

Who also wrote-

"Stop Apologizing for Civilian Casualties" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7786&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"Freedom vs. Unlimited Majority Rule" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12777&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"In Defense of Income Inequality" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=14321&news_iv_ctrl=2181

"Feminism's War on Objectivity" - http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5216&news_iv_ctrl=2181

Sounds like a rock-solid citation, a powerful cornerstone for any article.

Aynrand.org you say? I thought I smelled the sweet stench of Objectivism from this guy after the classic "You own yourself" comment. It's good to see that other areas of tech need to take out the trash as much as mine (telecom) really does.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 8 days!)

The Evansville Courier & Press posted:

Strother W. Burton, Dixon, Ky.

Liberal 'takers' steal our future

So the Republicans are just the party of old white guys. That's the new talking points. To win future elections it's actually quite simple. They just have to become Democrats.

I prefer the other explanation. This was an election between the makers and the takers. The takers won.

The party that promised all the free stuff won and the party that thinks we should work and do the best we can to take care of ourselves lost.

Now I know that this rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

They don't think the illegal aliens want free citizenship. They don't think the food stamp people want free food. They don't think that the students want free college and forgiveness of loans. They don't think that the Medicaid people want free health. Etc.

Anyone want to guess who all these demographics voted for? I am not offended or mad at rich people. All of you out there that work and get a paycheck look at it and tell me if yours was ever signed by a poor person. I know that mine never was.

When the takers out vote the makers on a consistent basis, this country as we know it is done. All anyone has to do is look at Europe and see our future. It might not be next year or twenty years down the road but we are on that road.

All these takers are stealing the future of our children and grandchildren. Sad. They don't even care.

:qqsay:

It's nothing groudbreakingly stupid or whatever but it's just aggravating that this was in their HEADLINES section.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Peanut President posted:

:qqsay:

It's nothing groudbreakingly stupid or whatever but it's just aggravating that this was in their HEADLINES section.

I would bet you anything that that man gets the Earned Income Tax Credit.

Dr. Tough
Oct 22, 2007

In which a heart warming letter to man who is believed can rescue the GOP is ruined by yet another birther conspiracy theory.

quote:

Dear Senator Rubio:
Senator Marco Rubio
United States Senate
317 Hart Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Rubio:
I am writing you today in the aftermath of the 2012 Presidential election which has so discouraged and disconcerted our Republican Party. The election has brought about a great deal of introspection about the direction of the party given the nature of the electorate that currently appears to be the majority in the United States. While it is true that we must articulate our positions in a manner that does not offend broad sections of the American people, it is also true that we must hold true to our values and defend liberty and free market capitalism against the pervasiveness of socialistic tendencies and an ever increasing federal government.

I ran for the city commission in the City of Coral Gables many years ago on a platform of reducing government regulations and decreasing its role in our everyday lives. To my great surprise, on a quiet evening when I was working at home on my little campaign, you showed up at my door and offered me your help because you liked the principles I was running on. I believe this was one of your first actual forays into political campaigning and, though you may not even recall this episode, I have always admired your initiative and your willingness to work for a cause. I will always be grateful for your help but now is not the time for reminisces. It is time for action. I have retired after 23 years as a municipal attorney and want to offer my services to you during the next four crucial years for our country.

While standing outside a polling place for the last two weeks holding a Romney/Ryan sign, I had a front row seat to the current electorate, one that is very much of our own making. I have heard you speak many times of your parents’ story as immigrants, one which mirrors mine and countless others. I came to the United States at age 11 with a 52 year old father who had given up everything to give my sister and me a chance at freedom. I started to work at age 12, helping my father, an auto mechanic, from the moment I left school until 10 o’clock at night and all day Saturday and Sunday. I did this until I was 21 when I finally went to work on my own. I remember railing against my misfortune, angry that I could not play sports or go to the school dance as others had the opportunity to do. It is only in retrospect I have realized how lucky I was to have learned the value of hard work. I went on to work my way through college and law school and made a wonderful life for my family in this great country.

The reason I mention that the current electorate is of our own making, is that we did not learn the lessons our fathers taught us about self-reliance and hard work until it was too late. We collectively made the mistake of not wanting our children to miss out on the things we had. I ensured my kids had everything I could afford, and sometimes what I couldn’t afford, allowing them to play ball and go partying without earning any of it. The result of such coddling is a generation accustomed to receiving without giving, to earning dividends without making the investment, simply put: getting something for nothing. That brings us to today. The essence of what I heard from the Obama voters while I was holding my sign was not that he has the better economic plan or foreign policy, but that he will “give me stuff.”

I don’t profess to know how to redress the wrong that I have contributed to by my own actions. I don’t know how to reach the younger generation which has been convinced by its own parents that they do not have to give in order to receive; a myth perpetuated by their socialist college professors and a leftist media. What I do know is that you are the most articulate voice of our party and you must find a way to reverse this catastrophic tide which, if not immediately addressed, will turn the American Dream into an American nightmare. You are our only hope to reach young and especially Latino voters who I believe share our moral values, but have been blinded to the prosperity that hard work and tenacity can produce in a free society.

As you well know, the growth of government is inversely proportional to the demise of personal freedom and it cannot be allowed to continue. Therefore, I am urging you to immediately begin to campaign for the Presidency in 2016. I will pledge any time and help that I can give you during the next four years and hope that you will give me the opportunity to atone for my sins of overindulging my progeny and helping create the atmosphere we now face. May God bless you and the United States of America.

Rafael Diaz, Esq.
Coral Gables, Florida

Editor's Note: Mr. Diaz ignores the fact Senator Rubio is not a "naural born" citizen.

bad day
Mar 26, 2012

by VideoGames

Guilty Spork posted:

I like how his one killer example of a judge going out of control is a judge not hearing a case where some guy with no particular standing is trying to deny a group of (Muslim) Americans their rights.

The dumbest thing about the hubbub over a "ground zero mosque" is that it's not even near to ground zero. Plus it's not really a mosque.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

bad day posted:

The dumbest thing about the hubbub over a "ground zero mosque" is that it's not even near to ground zero. Plus it's not really a mosque.

"Rec center in that one abandoned store" just isn't as catchy.

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.
The thing that pisses me off about people who argue against diversity is that it is provably a good thing in almost every aspect of life. Biologically, a diverse species is far more likely to survive and flourish. To me there's enough evidence of this that it's an inarguable physical reality.

Diversity is also useful socially to us humans. I enjoy loving around with computers, am squeamish, and completely opposed to fighting in any war. Lucky for me then that there are people who are not squeamish, so we can have some doctors, and others who are willing to fight in wars. I'm not naive enough to think that I would have the security and quality of life I do without some good old fashioned government sanctioned murder for the sake of power and control. And it's lucky for them people like me are around, because while we need doctors and soldiers we also need IT stooges.

Finally, on a philosophical/metaphysical level, diversity is still good. Diversity of thought and experience makes the whole human race stronger. There is room here for all kinds of people, whether they are black, white, creative, or determinedly rational. Yeah, I'd consider a firm filled with only white engineers deficient and I wouldn't invest in it. Engineers aren't good at doing the books. Engineers aren't good at creating advertising campaigns. In fact I know some engineers so I don't trust them with much except the actual engineering and then cleaning out my whiskey shelf in a remarkably short period of time. Similarly, if I were investing in a all-white firm I'd be very nervous. I'd wonder if the firm had the experience to understand what markets other than white people want out of the product or service and whether they know how to market to people with various cultural sensibilities. Today's business world is multi-cultural and white people aren't the biggest market for almost anything, after all. Change the scope from a business to the whole of humanity and I still see this as true.

Our diversity in ways of thinking, physical resistances, cultures, traditions, beliefs, ways of framing and communicating issues are all strengths of humanity, not weaknesses. It would be a very sad day in my opinion if we eventually became a completely heterogeneous group and lost some of that uniqueness. On the other hand, calling for different kinds of people to not interact with others and for everyone to stay in their little ethnic/cultural boxes is pure madness. There's only one hard and fast rule of nature: continue to change or die. I know it can be intimidating to step out of your comfort zone, but stasis is literally death. There is no alternative.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Dr. Tough posted:

In which a heart warming letter to man who is believed can rescue the GOP is ruined by yet another birther conspiracy theory.

Freeze! Enlarge and enhance!

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As you well know, the growth of government is inversely proportional to the demise of personal freedom and it cannot be allowed to continue.



:eng101: If "growth of government" is inversely proportional to "the demise of personal freedom" then the more the government grows the less personal freedoms demise.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

some republican posted:

Obama supports taxpayer funding of abortion all nine months, supports same-sex marriage, and is disrespectful to, and unwilling to stand with, Israel. Historian David Barton, who has studied all the past presidents, said, "The hostility of President Obama toward biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president!"

"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the State forever separate." - Ulysses S. Grant

that's their guy, but I imagine they would have hated the Republican party back in the 1870's. Trying to give black people voting rights and using taxpayer money to crack down on lynching mobs, how dare they!

There's also the whole founding father and constitution thing with separation of church and state thing, that they probably missed.

Branis
Apr 14, 2006

by VG
I really wish we could get a solid definition of personal freedom. What freedoms do I have that the average european does not? The freedom to be unable to afford my ultra high deductible health insurance, so despite being insured I still can't afford the the average doctor visit. Is it just guns? is that it? I'd give up all the guns for a more socialist country in a heartbeat.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Randarkman posted:

"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the State forever separate." - Ulysses S. Grant

that's their guy, but I imagine they would have hated the Republican party back in the 1870's. Trying to give black people voting rights and using taxpayer money to crack down on lynching mobs, how dare they!

There's also the whole founding father and constitution thing with separation of church and state thing, that they probably missed.
"Historian" David Barton. Please get his credentials correct :eng101:

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Branis posted:

I really wish we could get a solid definition of personal freedom. What freedoms do I have that the average european does not? The freedom to be unable to afford my ultra high deductible health insurance, so despite being insured I still can't afford the the average doctor visit. Is it just guns? is that it? I'd give up all the guns for a more socialist country in a heartbeat.

Duh, the freedom to be a God-fearin' American and not some godless socialist European commie. :freep:

CrushedB
Jun 2, 2008

quote:

The election is over and it’s clear I’ve been outvoted.

I’ve been outvoted by government dependents who believe that my lifetime of $1.8 million in tax payments just can’t sustain them.

I’ve been outvoted by high school and college teenagers, most of whom have yet to develop common sense, let alone the wisdom to direct a great nation.

I’ve been outvoted by women who feel grown-up enough to have sex with their boyfriends and husbands, but want me to pay to prevent the reproductive consequences of their pleasurable activities.

I’ve been outvoted by Hispanic citizens who want American citizenship granted to their illegal family, while asking me to ignore the fact that their first act as a prospective American was to break the law.

I’ve been outvoted by the Obama-phone crowd, who’ve changed Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s refrain to, “Free at last. Free at last. Thank God, Obama, life’s free at last.”


I’ve been outvoted by Americans who desire a president that values charisma over character, celebrity over competence, image over integrity and symbolism over substance.

I’ve been outvoted by people desperate for jobs, but foolishly choosing a president that despises capitalism and the free enterprise system that creates them.

I’ve been outvoted by Americans willing to accept a divided nation under man’s government, rather than a united nation under God.

DAVID DELNOSTRO

Pooler

So I guess we really are just dropping the dog whistles now and letting it all out.

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

Randarkman posted:

"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the State forever separate." - Ulysses S. Grant

that's their guy, but I imagine they would have hated the Republican party back in the 1870's. Trying to give black people voting rights and using taxpayer money to crack down on lynching mobs, how dare they!

There's also the whole founding father and constitution thing with separation of church and state thing, that they probably missed.

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 19, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.
Here's a fun piece that's been making the rounds on the Facebook recently, and always gets my rage gland working quite well.

quote:

For those not familiar with Joe Arpio, he is the County Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona. He keeps getting re-elected over and over again.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex.Inmates sleep in tents!

He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says: "They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."


He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money. Men work in Pink "Clean and Sober" Shirts. Their underwear is also Pink!


Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied: "So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."


With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd 2009), the Associated Press reported: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.


On the Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were overheard chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees."This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

The same day he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents there too, and they have to walk all day in that sun, wearing full battle gear and getting shot at, and THEY have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected for the fourteenth time as Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.

acquired from
Uncle Sam....

There's so much ignorance here I don't even really know where to start, but mostly it's just the underlying thought that criminals should forfeit human rights and dignity when they commit a crime. Instead of trying to understand why people commit crimes and addressing it as a problem, people want to double down on believing people are simply evil and must be punished.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

CrushedB posted:

So I guess we really are just dropping the dog whistles now and letting it all out.
The guy that wrote that is a doctor that is very religious. How shocking!? You'd think a doctor would understand health insurance a bit more, but I guess not. Expecting your insurance to cover your health related needs is apparently a ridiculous notion. Where do these fucks get the idea that having insurance cover contraception means it is free? Do they not understand insurance premiums and co-pays?

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.

CrushedB posted:

So I guess we really are just dropping the dog whistles now and letting it all out.

This was so silly I just feel the need to respond point by point. Thanks for posting it, it really crystallizes a few of my issues with this kind of voter. Feel free not to read any of this. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, and at the end of the day I'm only responding for my own amusement and maybe a little practice formulating counter-arguments against this kind of drivel.

quote:

quote:
The election is over and it’s clear I’ve been outvoted.

I’ve been outvoted by government dependents who believe that my lifetime of $1.8 million in tax payments just can’t sustain them.

They are correct. America is one of the richest nations in the world and yet we spend far less money per capita on helping our less fortunate citizens than the average first world country. This is not some philosophical point about teaching someone to fend for themselves vs coddling them. People are starving and homeless in America at this very moment, full stop. It is not academic. If you feel like you can't afford a couple grand out of your 40-50k+ annual salary so that no one is starving on the streets, perhaps you should read some Jesus. Whether you like to admit it or not, you reap the advantages of America having a massive broke underclass, so yes it is partially your social responsibility to help take care of them, even if you don't buy the simple humanitarian argument.

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by high school and college teenagers, most of whom have yet to develop common sense, let alone the wisdom to direct a great nation.

You have not been outvoted by high-schoolers. Most of them are ineligible to vote, dumbass. And the ones that are eligible generally don't. While most college students do not in fact have the life experience that would enable them to lead the US personally, the same is true of the vast majority of the US population. That doesn't make their votes any less valid. It's called Representative Democracy.

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by women who feel grown-up enough to have sex with their boyfriends and husbands, but want me to pay to prevent the reproductive consequences of their pleasurable activities.

Congrats on being sexist. The whole personal responsibility argument is the sole domain of people who feel entitled to tell women how they should treat their own bodies. Reasonable people realize that in caring for the reproductive health of our less fortunate citizens, we help everyone.

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by Hispanic citizens who want American citizenship granted to their illegal family, while asking me to ignore the fact that their first act as a prospective American was to break the law.

How often do you break a law? I would guess once or more a day, and your transgressions are probably less understandable than someone who is simply living and working somewhere without permission. These immigrants are social conservatives BTW. If your party didn't treat them like human garbage because of their nationalities and skin color they'd be a great boon for your social agenda. As it is, you are right to fear their growing influence. It's completely your own fault and the fault of others like you that they are disenfranchised from your movement.

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by the Obama-phone crowd, who’ve changed Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s refrain to, “Free at last. Free at last. Thank God, Obama, life’s free at last.”

Yes you have! And speaking as a white dude who is SO loving SICK of you racist, dog whistling assholes who think it's cool to hate on a President for being an uppity negro; I think that's awesome. Did you seriously just use one of the rallying cries of the civil rights movement to make fun of Obama (because he's black)? See, that's really racist and hosed up.

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by Americans who desire a president that values charisma over character, celebrity over competence, image over integrity and symbolism over substance.

Uh, Reagan happened a while ago now. :iceburn:

quote:

I’ve been outvoted by people desperate for jobs, but foolishly choosing a president that despises capitalism and the free enterprise system that creates them.

Wanting to regulate capitalism does not equal hating it. It's a provable truth that right now the relationship between labor and capital in the US is seriously warped. There have been giant leaps in productivity and profitability and the workers aren't getting a fair slice. This hurts everyone in the long term. Unregulated capitalism is a horrible idea that we've tried before, and anything BUT free enterprise. It's unstable and full of abuses. For example, look at the labor situation in the 1890s, the populist movement of the turn of the 20th century that it inspired, the prosperity of the decades after that, and the great depression, caused in part by a counter-reaction to that.

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I’ve been outvoted by Americans willing to accept a divided nation under man’s government, rather than a united nation under God.

The division is purely of your own making. The whole Liberal values no please don't gently caress the poor and minorities perspective is not just rooted in empathy and humanism. It is also informed by self interest, the understanding that we as a nation are going to sink or swim together. You only acknowledge the personal consequences of these issues. I have to pay for abortions, I don't like women or black people issues, I I I. There's no understanding of societal consequences here, although we are talking about a societal stage. You don't get that in helping the less fortunate members of our society at least meet basic housing/food/healthcare/liberty needs, you are doing a favor for yourself and your children as well. Someone who is not starving, homeless, ill and too poor to receive treatment, or disenfranchised is much less likely to resort to armed robbery, for example.

Many of our problems, from crime rates to economic issues, are solely caused by our massive neglected underclass. It turns out, and we know this from experience now; that if you tax the ever loving poo poo out of a population and use that money for massive entitlements so that even your poorest can receive healthcare, good education, and otherwise be comfortable; that crime rates and drug abuse rates drop, productivity rises, and you get a happier, more stable society. If you're not comfortable with the idea of having the ever loving poo poo taxed out of you, that's fine. We could still at least afford to feed, house, clothe, and provide for the healthcare/education of our needy citizens with only moderate tax increases and some cuts to the military industrial complex.

It's more than wealth redistribution and more than even a responsibility, whether you consider that responsibility societal, religious, or humanitarian. It is an investment in our future. We are only where we are at today because previous generations were willing to make sacrifices to build up our infrastructure and ease of living. Success does not happen in a vacuum. We need roads to move goods, legislation to ensure businesses treat consumers and workers fairly, a legal system to arbitrate serious disputes. We need to ensure wealth is distributed fairly enough that a large portion of it is in the hands of the people that buy goods, instead of only serving to reinforce the fluctuations of our capital markets.

ParaPraxis
Nov 21, 2010

My ultimate Ayn Rand porn

David Barton posted:

:words:

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820 posted:

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

Just the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independance and gave us the majority of the country's landmass. No big deal.

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 19, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.

Nathilus posted:

Beautiful good lovely :words:
Thanks for this. This is great, and is a wonderful rebuke.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

ParaPraxis posted:

Just the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independance and gave us the majority of the country's landmass. No big deal.

The guy learned Arabic and owned a Quran, dude's a terrorist.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Nathilus posted:

They are correct. America is one of the richest nations in the world and yet we spend far less money per capita on helping our less fortunate citizens than the average first world country.
This is mildly related, but there is a big story going around about a cop who gave a homeless man boots. He's being called a hero, and angel, and all sorts of other hyperbolic things. While it was great that the cop did this, I couldn't help but feel disgusted that a person could be homeless and without shoes in the freezing cold in America, and the fact that somebody helped him is somehow national news. What the gently caress is wrong with America?! We shouldn't have ANYBODY suffering the streets.

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.

Leon Einstein posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with America?! We shouldn't have ANYBODY suffering the streets.

I agree. It's completely unconscionable.

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

SquadronROE posted:

Here's a fun piece that's been making the rounds on the Facebook recently, and always gets my rage gland working quite well.


There's so much ignorance here I don't even really know where to start, but mostly it's just the underlying thought that criminals should forfeit human rights and dignity when they commit a crime. Instead of trying to understand why people commit crimes and addressing it as a problem, people want to double down on believing people are simply evil and must be punished.
There's this powerful trend in American culture where people can't seem to figure out that punishment isn't the same thing as revenge.

point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx

Branis posted:

I really wish we could get a solid definition of personal freedom. What freedoms do I have that the average european does not? The freedom to be unable to afford my ultra high deductible health insurance, so despite being insured I still can't afford the the average doctor visit. Is it just guns? is that it? I'd give up all the guns for a more socialist country in a heartbeat.

The freedom to wear a headscarf(admittedly I think that's only France)

Hempel
Oct 21, 2012
It was a ban on face covering in public places, not a ban on headscarfs. There are states in America that have similar laws eg. Washington D.C, Florida and New York.

redmercer
Sep 15, 2011

by Fistgrrl

Branis posted:

I really wish we could get a solid definition of personal freedom. What freedoms do I have that the average european does not? The freedom to be unable to afford my ultra high deductible health insurance, so despite being insured I still can't afford the the average doctor visit. Is it just guns? is that it? I'd give up all the guns for a more socialist country in a heartbeat.

You get to say the Holocaust didn't happen

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Hempel posted:

It was a ban on face covering in public places, not a ban on headscarfs. There are states in America that have similar laws eg. Washington D.C, Florida and New York.

Well there are also states in America that still have anti-miscegenation laws on the books, so it's not like if America has it it must be good. I don't think France is some kind of hellhole but the headscarf law (and yeah, it was a headscarf law) isn't really a great example of progress in the personal freedoms department.

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