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Oh holy crap. I slacked off on checking the DR1 thread and just now caught up on this one. My initial impression of the class was somewhat negative--it's really very strange seeing characters seemingly made out of previous character's body parts (eyes, faces, hair) Frankenstein style. Also Fat Togami and Chef Thing, I really don't know if my brain can handle both of those characters in one LP. But Gundam and Souda made everything better. Souda gave me the same first impression that Leon gave, as a kind of loud, expressive, crazy guy, but friendly (that evil smile  ). And Gundam will be absolutely impossible to top.But I can't wait to see them try.
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slowbeef posted:...So the engine block is crushing his leg and/or crotch. That seems like it'd really make him the worst mechanic! Your lower body gets swole from working on cars and poo poo, it's part of the job. Anime artsyles are known for using exaggerated features to signal certain traits of a character. It's established that animal-trainer-ninja probably isn't playing with a full deck of cards, but I wonder if the mechanic's Syo-tongue is going to be a red herring and he's actually a level-headed character; subversion of visual archetypes is one thing DR1 touched upon lightly (notable with Sakura), and I think it would be a reasonable thing to assume that DR2 might use it more in order to throw off fans of the previous game.
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Souda sounds like a total bro which is funny considering his design. Gundam is just all kinds of amazing and I hope the fact that he's carrying around a bunch of little critters means he won't somehow bite the dust. I mean who's gonna take care of them if he dies? The crustacean dude? Seriously doubt it.
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Mulderman posted:I mean who's gonna take care of them if he dies? Whoever kills him will just eat his animals and feed everyone else with them. Which means the chef dude will kill him and serve up his animals, all to help everyone else on the island.
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OK, Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe came up earlier in the thread, so I'd like to open some speculation by making an observation about one of the techniques Stout uses to make his mysteries tough and fair. He will frequently provide lots of details about things prior to the commission of the crime to be solved, one or two of which will turn out to have been vital. Since you don't know what to look for yet, you can't identify those specific details as important until later. I get a feeling that DR2 is providing us with vital pieces of information while simultaneously throwing out such wildly significant-seeming mysteries that we focus on those instead. Nagito's identity, for example, or the mere presence of an altered Togami who may or may not be the same guy. What might be overlooked, though? A few suggestions: 1. Unlike DR1, our protagonist knows nothing about his classmates. Nagito identified the websites discussing who is attending the school and Hajime knew nothing about them. That strongly supports the claim that Hajime's "obsession" with Hope's Peak is artificial, unless he had all that data prior to the memory wipe. And Nagito may not be an entirely trustworthy reporter. Those two points together suggest the possibility of an addition, not just a substitution as in DR1. In other words, one or more of the 16 students on the island may not be members of the class. 2. Usami is being operated by someone, probably. But by whom? The "supervising teacher" mentioned in the rules is presumably Usami's operator, but that can't be conclusively established. Usami used those specific words in the first update to identify herself. She also claimed: orenronen posted:
That's plausible, perhaps. The despairing incident happened and some students were sent to this island in the hope they would forget all about it. But aside from Togami's presence, we know that some or all of these students have also been memory wiped, if that incident occurred prior to DR2. Hajime has clearly been memory wiped. Why memory wipe people you're sending to a tropical island in the hope they forget something you just wiped from their minds? That suggests either Usami isn't really being operated by a teacher, or is being operated by a teacher working with the Despair organization. About the most benevolent interpretation of this situation, then, is that Usami sees this project as setting up a wildlife preserve, a place where despairing humanity could look to see what Hope once looked like. 3. Nagito's name and behavior and SHSL Luck are all designed to make us compare him to Naegi. Perhaps because of that, it's easy to read or pass off his "hope" comments as being references to Naegi or clues that he is Naegi. My reading of them so far is that the guy talks about hope, not as someone who has lived it, but as someone who doesn't really understand it. Note too that he brings up hope as indispensable the moment Hajime questions Usami. So Nagito, the same guy who immediately saw a "teens killing each other on an island" situation, also immediately shuts down someone questioning the circumstances and benevolence of Usami? How does that make sense? Unless... He also says in his introduction in the third update: orenronen posted:
These all look like bad signs to me, pointing toward a Despair association and not a Hope one.
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You're still wowwied abowt Hope's Peak Academy! In that case...
Pwease forget all abowt it! That's what this field twip is aaall abowt!
Oh, I couldn’t possibly leave someone who looks as sick as you alone.
I wouldn't call it spying...
On the other hand... I feel a little out of place.
Ah, I'm sorry... I can't help having some negative feelings. It's a bad habit of mine.
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Something about Nagito makes me want to call him out as a Maizono. I think it's because it feels like he's one of those people who goes with the flow socially and never says how he really feels. Hell, if he is one of those kinds of people he could easily be a Junko.  Also seconding Gundam and Souda being amazing. I'm guessing Souda's going to end up being the chillest guy and the shark teeth and smile are just part of his punk look and are there to throw you off.
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Mulderman posted:Souda sounds like a total bro which is funny considering his design. Don't worry. If he kills someone they can just be executed with him so that is one way to solve the problem! 
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Dec 16, 2012 20:37
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Well uh I don't really know what I expected from GUNDAM TANAKA but it wasn't THAT. Not disappointed at all. Souda is also pretty cool. Still think people are over thinking things with Nagito. Everyone wants to be so suspicious of every single detail of the game. I know that's the nature of that game but if you suspect everything in the game of being a trick you're bound to miss something really obvious. We're gonna have to get a little bit further into the meat of the game before we really get anything to base a "is this Naegi or not" theory off of. As for comparing him to Maizono, I don't really see the game re-using the exact same scenario as the first game.
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Dec 16, 2012 20:43
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IceBorg posted:Don't worry. If he kills someone they can just be executed with him so that is one way to solve the problem! You are looking at it the wrong way. The animals will be what executes him. His body will feed his hamster overlords.
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Dec 16, 2012 20:45
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Holy poo poo. I was mainly reading the dialogue and skipping over the pictures until Gundam's part when I realized I had lost track of the conversation by reading too fast. I proceed to scroll up and suddenly HAMSTERS EVERYWHERE. That was absolutely amazing and totally made the update for me  His offical art is pretty great too. Doesn't hurt that something about those animals reminds me of Tokyo Jungle...Though the hamster were downright amazing, I have to admit that I think I like the mechanic more overall. He seems really chill, reasonable and I guess as an Engineering major I kinda like his talent more  Though I also really like the juxtaposition of his off-kilter (shark teeth, hair) appearance and personality.
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Dec 16, 2012 20:46
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So, an airport with planes without engines is probably the tip of this huge iceberg of really strange things. Also, by looking at the map, there's a grand total of 6-7 islands, with 1 acting as the main hub to 5 of them. This will probably play out the future.
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I wonder if sharp teeth are just some sort of anime genetic trait like hair colour, or if Kazuichi purposely files them down to look like that. If he does survive long enough, I predict character development into a total weirdo ala Hagakure. Either that or he tries to eat Gundam's hamsters.
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Dec 16, 2012 20:58
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Fedule's Riveting Editorial Anecdotes Episode the Fourth Finally! Characters!  At the time of writing this, I have been over dialogue for all of the students, so I can say - with a degree of actual authority - that Souda is the character with whose dialogue I am the happiest. His "voice", so to speak, feels... complete. I couldn't resist adding a dash of stereotypical car-mechanic style to his speech. You may know the kind of mechanic I mean; the kind that does that thing where they suck in air through their teeth before rattling off a massive list of faults and an absurd price for repairs. Accordingly, "my" Souda can rapidfire information in short sentences composed of colloquialisms and words that he's contracted just so he can get them out of his mouth faster. He means well though. I think.  Gundam, on the other hand, is the character whose dialogue I had the most fun rewriting (maybe the second-most. Not sure). In the first draft of this update, his dialogue was literally translated and flat because Oren wanted to "see what I could come up with". The notes simply said "supervillian-style". I love supervillian speech. Maniacal laughter, too (Did you know that there's a Wikipedia page for Evil Laughter?). So, I, uh, came up with something. I hope you like it! quote:
I would like to quickly apologize to those affected by the scattered environmental disturbances and power outages across western Europe this morning; these were unfortunate side-effects of the Ultimate Final Showdown between Oren and myself that was the culmination of our dispute over this line. Fortunately, it looks like there were no casualties... except some amazing dialogue. Ah well. Nothing I can do except As noted, Nagito's first sentence there was originally something like "It's just like the Mutsugoro Kingdom!", which we both agreed required a localization. This was followed by some brief brainstorming that ended up wondering whether this could be worked into a Steve Irwin reference of some kind (him being a fellow celebrity animal specialist). "He's like the Hamster Hunter or something! Crikey!" or something. It was something, but it wasn't really that great and sounded kinda forced. So, I slept on it. God (allegedly) posted:
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He’s just like our very own Dr. Dolittle. Just what you’d expect from a "Super High-school Level Animal Breeder"...
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orenronen posted:
 could certainly be an asset if he ever decided to go murder-happy after poo poo hits the fan. Of course, that probably means that, much like our dear old Genocider Syo, he's going to end up being totally harmless. Though I'm amazed he hasn't peppered his speech with actual Gundam references yet, considering his name and the fact he speaks like a villain pulled straight out of a shounen manga. Then again, it's still pretty early in the story, so there's plenty of time for that to change.
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Haha... ahaha...
AAAAHAHAhahaha!!
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Fedule, these anecdotes are great. I have to agree with both you and orenronen on this, actually - the Dr. Doom line IS really great, but it is a reference Nagito wouldn't make, especially not in such a cutting fashion. The Dr. Dolittle line that ended up in the final script is a better line for Nagito.
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Yeah, based on what we've seen from Nagito so far, a witty put-down seems rather out of character, and that line comes pretty close to being one. As cool of a line as it would have been.
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For those wondering where my own translation notes are, since they're all much shorter and mainly involve what grammatical structure the different characters use, I thought I'd put them all together in a single post when the introductions are over.
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Given the "this is a field trip" and "we're going to live in peace and harmony" lines from Usami, I wonder if she'll try to keep an appearance of not wanting people to kill each other. But then she makes it so that things would improve if someone died (like having less food).idonotlikepeas posted:
Yeah that jumped out at me too. Conro101 posted:I would hope you would have a talent relating somewhat to taking over the world when you make claims such as that. Overconfidence wouldn't be too out of place for a megalomaniac. Alternatively, animals.
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Hamsters usually live up to 3 or 4 years. Animals in general live shorter lives than humans. It's entirely possible Gundam is the student who's most acquainted with death. It would be bittersweetly funny if we found out acting like a megalomaniac is his way of coping with the deaths of his animal friends, or maybe just bittersweet depending on how any reveal plays out. Counterpoint: Tanaka's an SHSL Animal Breeder. He would know how to keep his wards healthy. I guess it all comes down to how he deals with loss. Supersonic Shine fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Dec 16, 2012 |
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 "Throwing garbage" is an accurate but literal translation. Most English speakers I know refer to this heinous act as "littering". You're likely to see cautionary postings using this word in just about any public park or preserve you'd care to visit, which would make it a good fit for The Rules in my opinion.Fedule, I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, because I do enjoy this LP so far as well as reading about the process, but can we maybe tone down the dramatic accounts of you and Oren locked in ideological mortal combat? It was funny the first time but I foresee it losing it's charm before long at this rate 
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Tiax and Minsc combined? Why not? Those planes seem like ideal murder scenes or hiding places - very out of the way, but presumably the cabins are still accessible.
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Gundam is now my favorite character. I was going for the chef because I like food and the chef seemed to have the first real freakout, but how can you top Gundam "Go For The Eyes Boo!" Tanaka?
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Epoxy Bulletin posted:Fedule, I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, because I do enjoy this LP so far as well as reading about the process, but can we maybe tone down the dramatic accounts of you and Oren locked in ideological mortal combat? It was funny the first time but I foresee it losing it's charm before long at this rate Be assured that it was a one time gimmick in honour of the introduction of Gundam Tanaka. Also, I really liked that line. (I mean, I get why it went, but I'm still sad.)
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Supersonic Shine posted:Hamsters usually live up to 3 or 4 years. Animals in general live shorter lives than humans. It's entirely possible Gundam is the student who's most acquainted with death. It would be bittersweetly funny if we found out acting like a megalomaniac is his way of coping with the deaths of his animal friends, or maybe just bittersweet depending on how any reveal plays out. On the contrary! Dark gods such as the ones Gundam's bonded with do not die! They simply grow powerful enough to transcend and escape this earthly existence. One day Gundam, too, will be powerful enough to follow after them. And on that day all the unworthy crustacean bonders of the world shall perish.
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This was a nice introduction to Souda. SHSL Mechanic is a really practical and useful specialty for once. And I also love how his personality is contrasted with his creepy appearance. I hope he gets to stick around a while. But if there's no plane engines for Souda to work on, surely Gundam can let us escape by breeding up a Gold Chocobo. From hamsters.
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I'm gonna try to avoid forming an opinion on any of the characters until we've met all of them. Although both Gundam and Souda are making that very difficult right now.Fedule posted:
I rather like this line. I can sort of understand the reasoning behind the change, but I don't think it's that jarring to hear a reference to Western popular culture in a piece of Japanese media, especially one that spews as many pop culture references as DR does. I also like how you handled Souda. He comes back as a laid back car mechanic type and reminds me very much of a few real life people I know who are into that kind of thing.
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Mersenne posted:The lighting in that scene seems to imply that the airport still has power, which means either there's a still-running power substation somewhere in this mess, or our mystery host(s) are masters of solar power engineering. I wouldn't say that; a basic solar PV system isn't that hard to set up, certainly not any harder than an archipelago-wide surveillance network and a fully robotic talking rabbit
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Bifauxnen posted:Gold Chocobo. チョコボ黄金色? とっとこチョコボ黄金色? ! とっとこハム太郎黄金色! I totally got that wrong, I bet. 
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slowbeef posted:
To the contrary, he's such a good mechanic that he managed to completely hollow it out without anyone noticing. Also, it's a single-cylinder motorcycle engine; the whole thing (not just the block) weighs about as much as a small child.
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Oh man, didn't know this had started up, just got up to date and I am totally weirded out. My only theory at the moment is that this is (or is set to be hijacked into) some sort of Junko Legacy Project, Saw style. As for the kids themselves I'm suspecting either modified clones of the original 16 or just the kids of the surviving guys from the first game with some extras. Either way, I'm thinking this is set a good while after the first game (at least 5 years, maybe 20), not before like they seem to be trying to trick us into thinking it is. The overwhelming parallels between the new kids and the old set are just too striking to ignore though, it's either setting up for some insane revelation or it's the ultimate red herring.
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I've been waiting all thread for a Hamtauro reference. Really it seems like this game is going to be one where we are going to try an stop any violence from breaking out, and any murders will be out of a sense of "preserving society". So far, our mechanic seems to be fairly balanced. Dr Doolittle on the other hand seems to be the kind of person who'd push some buttons. I won't be surprise to see him cause our first quarrel.
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RedMagus posted:I've been waiting all thread for a Hamtauro reference. Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. The people who typically cause quarrels are people who are concerned with looking normal and rational, and it looks like our Gundam here heard of both of these concepts long ago and decided he wanted no part of them. I'm thinking most people will take one look at him and let him do his own thing. I mean, can you imagine someone like Fat Togami giving him the time of day? Anyhow, I don't want either of these guys to die yet. Souda seems chillaxed and friendly (perhaps he'll be a play-nicey character when/if people start murdering each other), and Gundam is just... too interesting to die yet, drat it! Nagito, however, I'm getting kind of a bad vibe about, in a way I can't quite put my finger on. The way he seems kind of too helpful is kind of off.
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While Gundam Tanaka destroyed all expectations, I really find Souda the more interesting character for how laid back and congenial the dude was acting despite looking like Shark the Mechanic. He IS the first character in the series who's taken a truly lackadaisical attitude to the "holy gently caress we're trapped!" scenario...right? What's weirder though is, and this is speculative mind, but he could be either a huge murder-target in case his skills get Chekov'd into potentially being used for an escape, or a character seen as worth protecting to the end because of it. At least, that's my initial impression.
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I don't know, Souda seems like he's mild enough to slide by for a little while without drawing too much attention and getting killed. Sort of like Hagakure and Aoi in the first one; kind of boring at first but getting some nice character development over the course of the game.
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...Well, if we're guessing on such things already, I'd say that I expect Souda to at least survive the first chapter -- we need someone to get the plane running, though I suspect that we'll be using the same plane to get between all the islands, so he's not needed past the first chapter in that sense.
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Crepuscule Adepte posted:...Well, if we're guessing on such things already, I'd say that I expect Souda to at least survive the first chapter -- we need someone to get the plane running, though I suspect that we'll be using the same plane to get between all the islands, so he's not needed past the first chapter in that sense.
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I think this guy's design is based off of a gremlin... Like, the ones that tear apart planes in flight? Was that just in The Twilight Zone, or was it more widespread before that?
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Western comics (Amecomi) are actually pretty well-known in Japan, and have a similar cultural cachet to manga in, say, America. It wouldn't be too farfetched for a (seemingly) normal high school kid to make that reference. It's also a funny as hell line. Your supervillain seething is justified, Fedule. Also, GUNDAM has every male chuu-ni design call in the book: unbuttoned school uniform jacket with the collar popped, big rear end scarf covering his mouth, hair with streaks of alternate color, heterochroma, eye scar, bandaged arm, reference to the Four Heavenly Kings, delusions of megalomania, put-on deep voiced affectation, belt-and-zipper boots, and ninja cutting hands in his splash art. Shark Week is filling the same "scary but well-meaning" design niche Mukuro as Junko had; he even has the freaky smile.
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Gensuki posted:I think this guy's design is based off of a gremlin... Like, the ones that tear apart planes in flight? Gremlins/imps/brownies/little people have had presence in alot of folklore way, waaaay before WWII but gremlins themselves waere associated with that time period as a pack of devilish imps who hosed up planes in mid-air. If the reference is intentional, it's pretty legit.
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Thinking upon it, the mechanic may not be quite as useful as he seems at first. Okay, if he finds some engines, I'm sure he can get them installed properly. Then what? Is there anyone here who can fly a plane? Just because the mechanic could install an engine doesn't mean he can fly a plane. Is there any fuel for the plane? Even if they found fuel and a pilot, which way is home? They can't just fly in a random direction and hope they're heading for a friendly port.
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