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I see what you are saying with people looking for clues and I myself was one of the early ones encouraging my friends not to, but then Chase goes and gives several interviews in which he hints that the clues are there, and obvious. He has stated there's no "Da Vinci Code" to crack and by that he meant that the clues are fairly evident. Before I read those interviews, I was content with the ending.
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Apparently Matt Servitto (who played the FBI agent Dwight Harris) said there was a part in the script that was cut during editing. It showed the man in the Members Only jacket exiting the bathroom and walking towards Tony's table. Watching the last season of the Sopranos always ends up being fairly depressing. The entire world is falling apart around Tony and he either doesn't notice or doesn't care.
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Dec 18, 2012 23:13
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Apropos of nothing, I just remembered my favorite David Chase quote:David Chase posted:I went and saw The Planet of the Apes with my wife. After the movie as we were leaving, I turned to her and said,"Wow, so they had a Statue of Liberty on their planet too?" 
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Dec 18, 2012 23:14
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marktheando posted:Yes I think this is the important thing to take away from the finale. All the people hunting for clues are missing the point. Well, it ends just as the first season did, with the major threat to his life over, but indictments about to come down. All I took away was, whether two minutes or twenty years, the rest of his life is just about waiting for the other shoe to drop. The end! No moral.
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Dec 19, 2012 00:13
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This is why I don't like the ending. Years and years of storytelling, and all anyone wants to discuss is the last 8 seconds.
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Dec 19, 2012 01:26
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Ishamael posted:This is why I don't like the ending. Years and years of storytelling, and all anyone wants to discuss is the last 8 seconds. This is the best 8 or so seconds to discuss in the show.
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Dec 19, 2012 01:31
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Well, it ends just as the first season did, with the major threat to his life over, but indictments about to come down. All I took away was, whether two minutes or twenty years, the rest of his life is just about waiting for the other shoe to drop. Members Only guy was foiled in the S1 finale when the tree fell on the road and they had to eat at Vesuvios instead. But he was patient and waited for his time to strike. Members Only guy always gets his man.
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Dec 19, 2012 01:35
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Jerusalem posted:This is the best 8 or so seconds to discuss in the show. Haha holy poo poo I forgot about that! That is a great one.
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Dec 19, 2012 01:54
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Yeah, so I found out something really cool recently. So, here's the thing - my grandmother's side of the family (on my mother's side) is 100% Italian-American. My grandmother personally grew up on Coney Island but she had plenty of extended family in both Jersey and NYC - their family was originally from the southern part of Italian (potentially Sicily but I really am unsure) and their family name was DeCesare. That was literally my grandmother's maiden's name. As far as I know they were pretty typical Italian-Americans. My 94-year-old grandmother fits all those stereotypes pretty well for a woman of her age and generation and background. But it sort of made The Sopranos more accessible in a way because as we know the show is largely about food and I could connect strongly with a lot of the food on the show because my mother made the same stuff. Sunday Gravy, etc. Baked ziti and big vats of meat sauce and tons of traditional Italian fish-based peasant food and so on. Great stuff, all of it. Anyway I was shocked to read recently that David Chase's real last name was also DeCesare, which his parents changed to Chase to better, you know, fit in. And I have to say that looking at him picture again, he looks like he could *totally* be just another one of my mom's many many many different cousins on the Italian side of her family. I find the whole thing kind of amusing but it actually makes me look at the show in a slightly different light.
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Unzip and Attack posted:You are so right about this. The scene where Carmela runs in and grabs an AK, racking it as if she's putting on a hat, really stuck out to me. The first season had a lot of scenes like that. And god drat does that scene of Tony running down a guy with his car through a park midday ever stand out. Scott Bakula posted:When discussing this with the only person I actually know who's seen the whole show, I've always felt that Tony wasn't killed. Every hit we see in a restaurant in the entire show (as far as I can remember) people walk in and just shoot the gently caress out of whoever the hit is on then run off. A point is even made where Silvio is used so that the hit isn't expecting it because he's hoping for just a normal meal. The "Man in Members Only" was specifically waiting around until Tony's entire family could see him get clipped, which is why the scene goes to black (exactly as death is described by Bobby in the season opener) whenever Meadow finally enters the restaurant and not a moment sooner. The other shoe was always gonna drop for Tony (the gun change, Carlo flipping, blow-back from the war) and just like him we don't know when or how so the show tries to leave it as ambiguous as possible, but the clearest and most reasonable (and, IMO, only legitimate) answer is Tony was assassinated for how grisly Phil's murder ended up (his skull getting smashed by the car) in front of his family. New York was willing to settle for the peace, but refused any part in locating Phil accepting that what happens happens, but with all the bad blood and hatred of Tony there's no way they don't interpret that brutality as an intentional act of the boy king's glorified crew. Butch hated Tony from the start and, even as an accident, the circumstances are so grotesque everyone below and other families will start citing "no true mafioso..." forcing Butch to act or lose major face (...as well).
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Ishamael posted:This is why I don't like the ending. Years and years of storytelling, and all anyone wants to discuss is the last 8 seconds. That's utter nonsense. They also want to discuss "Hey man what happened to the Russian?" EDIT: Second for second, no 8-second segment offers better value than this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-dB_6Dvcw&t=61s "Oh poo poo!" indeed my friend. "Oh poo poo!" indeed. Rev. Bleech_ fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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Dec 19, 2012 06:22
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Jerusalem posted:This is the best 8 or so seconds to discuss in the show. This scene terrified me when I first saw it, it came out of nowhere. Re-watching it though, you can actually see the Virgin Mary in the mirror before Paulie turns around. Creepy. There's a lot of creepy haunting moments, now that I think about it. Like Pussy's ghost reflection (hmmm... ghost reflection motif?) & the guy descending the stairs during Livia's wake. I think they were in the same episode too. Creepy stuff
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The scene where Paulie goes to the psychic is one of my favorites in the whole series, because it goes from insanely creepy to hilarious when Paulie flips out and calls everyone "a bunch of queers" before throwing a chair and getting the gently caress out.
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Unzip and Attack posted:The scene where Paulie goes to the psychic is one of my favorites in the whole series, because it goes from insanely creepy to hilarious when Paulie flips out and calls everyone "a bunch of queers" before throwing a chair and getting the gently caress out. I prefer him in this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I
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Dec 19, 2012 19:27
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gently caress you, you fuckin' hwhoar!
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I think you'll find that it is pronounced huuu-oar.
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Palmtree Panic posted:This scene terrified me when I first saw it, it came out of nowhere. Re-watching it though, you can actually see the Virgin Mary in the mirror before Paulie turns around. Creepy. Yeah it scared the hell out of me the first few times I saw it, too. Which episode is that in?
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"The Ride" in Season 6A. In other news AV club wrapped up their re-watch of the series today One thing about the finale that's never discussed enough is the cat. I know the popular theory is that it's Adriana reincarnated, but I just don't see it. Other than constantly staring at the pic of Christopher what leads people to believe its Adriana?
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Dec 19, 2012 20:50
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Adriana wears leopard and cat skin clothing all throughout the series. There's a montage of it somewhere on Youtube. Seriously it's easy to miss in parts but when it's all strung together it becomes really obvious.
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Dec 19, 2012 21:01
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Man I really wish this was on netflix, its been years since I've seen it and to my utmost shame there's a lot of episodes that I've only seen in neutered tbs version.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Adriana wears leopard and cat skin clothing all throughout the series. There's a montage of it somewhere on Youtube. Seriously it's easy to miss in parts but when it's all strung together it becomes really obvious. Don't forget that she literally says "MEOW!" to stuff in S1 too,
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the culminator posted:Man I really wish this was on netflix, its been years since I've seen it and to my utmost shame there's a lot of episodes that I've only seen in neutered tbs version. Do you have HBO GO?
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kippa posted:Don't forget that she literally says "MEOW!" to stuff in S1 too, She also does the "MEOW" thing over and over when demo'ing that band's song to Massive Genius.
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bobkatt013 posted:Do you have HBO GO? I don't have an HBO subscription anymore so I'm guessing no. I might resubscribe just to re-watch. Thanks for the tip. edit- The Seven Souls montage might be my favorite thing ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNB_Y9cXi4
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Dec 19, 2012 21:45
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I absolutely adore that shot of Paulie and the cat sunbathing in the final episode.
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Jerusalem posted:This is the best 8 or so seconds to discuss in the show.
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kenny powerzzz posted:One scene, 30 seconds and no dialog. And so starts my fourth rewatch in as many years. Keep an eye out for this then. In the first episode of season two, Pussy comes back. They are sitting in the back of the Bing and Sil starts reciting Godfather lines. When he quotes, "Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself" they cut to Pussy laughing for a few seconds. Totally blew my mind when I noticed that.
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It's the most wonderful time of the year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gXJZBwceyg
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:It's the most wonderful time of the year How have I never seen that before? Awesome. Also, you know Tony Sirico (Paulie) is getting a recurring role on Family Guy next season?
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Anyone else see season 6.2 as framed around a sort of end-times, Biblical war theme? The entire series in fact pretty much establishes Tony as the ruling Devil in hell.
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http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/12/17/2405895/david-chase-reflects-on-the-sopranos.html
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I don't think any ending would've satisfied the audience. I do wish there was a rewatch thread for this a la the current Wire thread. I tried to watch it with a friend of mine and she burned out in late season 3. I can't relate to her, but at 86 hours or so of TV it is a lot to take in.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:It's the most wonderful time of the year  America is the greatest country in the world.
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discstickers posted:http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/12/17/2405895/david-chase-reflects-on-the-sopranos.html Whoa, don't skip this. Not only is is really cool, it is also the most positive I have ever heard David Chase be! David Chase posted:I thought the episode itself might have been kind of a dud, but it wasn't. I was proud of it. I was satisfied that we'd done something. What I didn't understand was that the ending would be so talked-about that it would completely obliterate the rest of the episode that came before it. No one ever even saw it, talked about it, mentioned it or anything about it - and I think didn't even interpret it correctly because all they talked about was that ending. I did not know that would happen.
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Goddamn, it looks like Johnny Sack has taken up Ginny's eating habits since the show finished, here he is in Killing them Softly:
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On my first re-watch I feel like I'm realizing something that is so obvious now. Tony is a direct response to the Don Vito's of epics. A breakdown of the superhuman, response against the "Great Man" type of thinking. It makes the few Roman references in the first season make a bit more sense too. Mafia/Gangster media had a really hard time examining its Dons or other leading men without giving them a fatal flaw I feel like, especially if you look at the definitive entries. Michael, Tony Montana, Henry Hill all had a fatal flaw in their makeup before their ascension to their role, whereas Tony has a 'choice' in his flaws that they don't seem to have. To me this rings true and makes the allusions to Caesar and the Romans (often critically unexamined, remembered sometimes literally as divine) more poignant. Tony has that superhuman like quality, he's got the luck, intelligence and ruthlessness but we as the viewer are capable of seeing his flaws and how he willingly participates in them like the others don't really.
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kippa posted:Goddamn, it looks like Johnny Sack has taken up Ginny's eating habits since the show finished, here he is in Killing them Softly: OHHHH!
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kippa posted:Goddamn, it looks like Johnny Sack has taken up Ginny's eating habits since the show finished, here he is in Killing them Softly: IMDB says he had a huge mole removed from his rear end.
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Bonzo posted:IMDB says he had a huge mole removed from his rear end.
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HBO has been replaying the early seasons lately, just caught the episode when Janice whacked Richie Aprile after Richie punches her in the face. I forgot how awesome that scene was, how he sits down to eat afterwards like it was no big deal but he forgot who he was loving with. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705279
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