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ghouldaddy07 posted:Can anyone explain how Interplay still exists They do not create products nor have the people to do so. They have been coasting mostly on "their" stuff being sold on GOG. They have pretended to be in the development of a Fallout MMO, which turned out to be obviously a lie since they don't employ anyone in serious capacity. Their last attempt at making a quick buck was a mockup of a 2D bunny platform game just before they lost the rights to Fallout and, recently, a huge Pay What You Want bundle on GOG. This "Black Isle" bullshit is their new scam attempt. But let's talk about Kickstarter. Web comic Homestuck got millions to produce a videogame, so the creators of Girl Genius decided to do the same with some lovely puzzle platformer game for Android. And they obviously got 800% over their goal. And the backers don't even get anything! It's beautiful. It would be a hilarious parody if it wasn't real. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Al! posted:I wonder how much it costs to buy up the rights to the name Infocom and if I can raise more or less money on Kickstarter with that name to make "spiritual successor" to Planetfall or Zork. Writing IF is crazy easy these days. A Mind Forever Voyaging 2: PRISM vs. Obama
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Saoshyant posted:But let's talk about Kickstarter. Web comic Homestuck got millions to produce a videogame, so the creators of Girl Genius decided to do the same with some lovely puzzle platformer game for Android. EDIT: the store ranking thing is also a legitimate concern, but it's a business concern - and customers don't give a poo poo about those. They should have come up with a better reason, or dropped that entirely. Just your average "ugh, indie PR" gaff, which you expect on a project with a $7k target. Shalinor fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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I have to disagree with you there. $7,500 to produce the game? Why would they have a $100.000 stretch goal to give the level editor they claim to already exist to the public, then? And their excuse that if they give out a few copies of the game they won't ever become a top seller app on the Android store*? They can't even keep a straight face throughout the video. I mean, it's better than just the old big Donation button in their site, but much like that Penny Arcade kickstarter, it's in my opinion just a scummy way to take more money out of their fans. That's how I view the situation as an outsider. * apparently, they have since added a pledge reward with the game, which contradicts the other pledge reward right under it. e: but, fair enough, I may be making a fuss on something that isn't a big deal on a wrong assumption. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Who in their right mind would give any money to that Black Isle scam?
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Saoshyant posted:
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As someone with a fetish for lumpy cartoon women I'm glad the Foglios got their money.
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Homestuck made most of their money selling merchandise. Really overpriced merchandise.
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I'm pretty sure the Foglios don't have anything to do with this. Hell, only got Cheyenne Wright involved via a stretch goal, which Machination (which doesn't have anything to do with GG) managed from the get go.
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Saoshyant posted:Why? They are grown ups and, as such, responsible for their actions. They know what they are getting into. And if they don't that's even worse. Because it reeks of desperation, at least to me. Is the job market really that bad? I can't imagine them, especially Chris Taylor, returning to the current Pseudo Black Isle if they had other, better options.
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Mojo Jojo posted:If Godus raises another 100k it gets Ouya support! Chances are that it will get Linux support regardless, so getting it to run on Ouya should be trivial. One of their coders mentioned in a video that they already have it running on Mac, Linux and iOS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNF37HGwZtc&t=234s They would be stupid not to put it on the Ouya Store, unless one of the two kickstarter projects completely tanks.  As for Molyneux not being able to differentiate between Windows and Mac OS X… oh well.
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Saoshyant posted:They do not create products nor have the people to do so. They have been coasting mostly on "their" stuff being sold on GOG. Another way to phrase this would be that Herve Caen is like syphillis, gonorrhea and dengue fever. You cannot cure it or get rid of it, only control it. Interplay went to the shitter the moment Titus bought Interplay. Let's see a short list of possibly cool games that they cancelled in favor of pushing out garbage to get their next fix: Fallout 3 (project Van Buren), Baldur's Gate 3 (project Jefferson), Torn, and some even say a possible sequel to Fallout Tactics. I'll pay $10 but only if I get to punch Herve in his stupid face.
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Overflight posted:I'm pretty sure the Foglios don't have anything to do with this. It's advertised on the Girl Genius webpage, one level rewards PDF versions of all published Girl Genius TPBs plus the Secret Blueprints, and the $1000 pledge reward includes having your name put in the strip and being sent the original art for that strip. There is going to be an absolute world of poo poo flying around if the Foglios are not involved.
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Just out of curiosity, have any games that were kickstarted since the beginning materialized with playable material yet? I'm not counting stuff like FTL since it was mostly finished when they launched their KS, but more along the lines of say Double Fine adventure, where it was still in the conceptual stage when the kickstarter launched? It seems like there have been a lot of games that hit their funding by promising the moon, but what's been the actual precedent for delivering on those promises? I have to think that people are going to start getting Kickstarter fatigue unless there are some good examples they can point to as examples of successful releases. (I'm not making GBS threads on Double Fine here; I actually do expect them to deliver a game since they're a professional company with a track record that shows they knows how to produce both big and small budget games. I'm mostly just using it as an example of the kind of thing I'm asking about)
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Banner Saga and Valdis Story are due for a release in the near future so there will be two (hopefully). Giana Sisters falls into the "mostly finished" category though and I'm not sure about Ravaged.
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Jedit posted:It's advertised on the Girl Genius webpage, one level rewards PDF versions of all published Girl Genius TPBs plus the Secret Blueprints, and the $1000 pledge reward includes having your name put in the strip and being sent the original art for that strip. There is going to be an absolute world of poo poo flying around if the Foglios are not involved. Oh, must have missed that. My bad.
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CrookedB posted:Haha, I'll just leave this here: Wasn't part of the settlement agreement with Bethesda that they were going to scrap all work on their Fallout MMO? It's pretty ballsy of IPLY to go ahead with the project and not even bother to change the name. It's not like we don't all know what 'V13' means. I don't think they're going to do as well as they think they are. All the people who would have seriously put money on Black Isle have already invested in Project Eternity and Wasteland 2. Who is the market for this? The people who played the BG: Dark Alliance games? edit: they even admit that 'v13 has been in development for years' but 'we've had to make some changes recently'. No poo poo, you're making somebody else's game! It's like they're begging for a lawsuit. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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I hope y'all don't mind me butting in for crass self-pluggery, but Dungeon Panic's Kickstarter is about to end. 29 days have very quickly passed since it began. Last call for those who are interested in roguelikes, furniture collecting, and friendship!
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After watching the Black Isle video pitching their new project, I can say that I do believe they at least think they are actually doing something, even if reality may not quite agree with them. The bleeping "Fallout" is kind of confusing. Can they really not even acknowledge that they worked on the game in the past, or is it a gimmick? Also worth noting that the first comment on their page is "Officially don't care." I am trying to judge this based on how I would feel if I did not know anything about the people involved, and I have decided my reaction is the same: "Well, I have no interest in giving them money, but I would probably buy the game if they actually succeeded!"
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Anita Sarkeesian just did a TED talk about her experience with the Kickstarter, which reminded me: What's the current status on her video series? I didn't back it, but I'd still like to check it out. VVVVVV Thanks! Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Hakkesshu posted:Anita Sarkeesian just did a TED talk about her experience with the Kickstarter, which reminded me: What's the current status on her video series? I didn't back it, but I'd still like to check it out. On the way, basically. Latest backer update was on Dec 10th and had a couple different notes including a video where she talks about the equipment they got (new mics, lenses, lights, etc.) Dates-wise, there's this: quote:We are still working towards a winter launch-date, although realistically it will probably be sometime in January. As soon as we have a date set in stone, backers will be the first to know.
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Quarex posted:After watching the Black Isle video pitching their new project, I can say that I do believe they at least think they are actually doing something, even if reality may not quite agree with them. I suspect it's because they're on the razor's edge of copyright infringement with project v13 to begin with, so if they actually mentioned fallout they'd be getting a C&D tomorrow. I still think there's no way this project gets funded and made into a prototype without Bethesda suing their pants off.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Just out of curiosity, have any games that were kickstarted since the beginning materialized with playable material yet? I'm not counting stuff like FTL since it was mostly finished when they launched their KS, but more along the lines of say Double Fine adventure, where it was still in the conceptual stage when the kickstarter launched? The adventure game Cognition has released their first episode, so it almost fits. It's pretty good too, especially for only getting about 30k in funding. They did their campaign before DFA highlighted kickstarter so not as many people have heard of it I'm guessing.
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SuperHappy posted:I hope y'all don't mind me butting in for crass self-pluggery, but Dungeon Panic's Kickstarter is about to end. 29 days have very quickly passed since it began. I was going to miss this if you didn't butt in. I like the art style, love roguelikes, and this seems like it's going to be a good game overall. I wasn't sold until I started reading your reward tiers. Separating the lower reward tiers between physical and digital rewards, and yet still providing ones with physical bonuses is exactly how it should be done. Not everybody wants physical rewards at the higher levels of digital rewards, and you understand that perfectly. So, thanks.
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Quarex posted:Also worth noting that the first comment on their page is "Officially don't care." Pertinent background information: In 1999, Hervé Caen purchased Interplay and proceeded to run it into the ground. Prior to that, Hervé and his brother Eric were responsible for Superman 64. Their studio spent two years to produce Superman 64.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Just out of curiosity, have any games that were kickstarted since the beginning materialized with playable material yet? I'm not counting stuff like FTL since it was mostly finished when they launched their KS, but more along the lines of say Double Fine adventure, where it was still in the conceptual stage when the kickstarter launched? Remember that the Doublefine kickstarter was actually for two different products, the adventure game, and the documentary. And so far documentary episodes have been coming out fairly regularly and are of pretty good quality. The game is still on schedule. You aren't going to get too many releases because it hasn't even been a year since the KS bubble began. I don't know what you're expecting, but it takes more than 8 - 10 months to create a good game on a decent budget. The only games that have come out so far are ones that were already in development or are just relatively tiny projects.
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Mordaedil posted:They are using SCRUM work method, huh? Everyone in the industry is using at least either a variant of scrum or they're a solo cowboy. If they aren't , the project manager probably needs to be fired. Its nothing unusual
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Yodzilla posted:Banner Saga and Valdis Story are due for a release in the near future so there will be two (hopefully). Giana Sisters falls into the "mostly finished" category though and I'm not sure about Ravaged. Lengends of Eisenwald has somewhat missed its release target I think however what they are demoing right now looks utterly phenomenal so nobody is too concerned.
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Yodzilla posted:Banner Saga and Valdis Story are due for a release in the near future so there will be two (hopefully). Giana Sisters falls into the "mostly finished" category though and I'm not sure about Ravaged. You sure about Valdis? Last I read they had been hit really hard by Sandy and things were pretty up in the air.
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XboxPants posted:You sure about Valdis? Last I read they had been hit really hard by Sandy and things were pretty up in the air. Update from Dec 15: quote:Hello folks, we hope everyone is doing great. Things are almost back to normal on our end and development is back in full swing. Due to the storm that put us out of commission for a month, we are experiencing a lot of delays on the development front. It wouldn't do the project justice to cut out some of the things we have planned, so we will be pushing the release date back a bit. We don't have the exact date yet, but it will still be 1st quarter 2013 so it's not too far off. There is good news though, we intend to release a playable PC Demo for you guys in Late January! So delayed but still on track (at least as far as they're saying.)
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Scorchy posted:Forsaken Fortress was looking tight there for a while, but it's had a big final week and made its funding in the final 2 days: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1317934609/forsaken-fortress
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They're trying to make an ambitious 3d post-apocalypse game for 100,000 dollars? Nowadays when I see a videogame kickstarter that isn't a mobile/ios game with a requested budget under 400k I just roll my eyes and move on to the next project. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Dec 21, 2012 |
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Saoshyant posted:But let's talk about Kickstarter. Web comic Homestuck got millions to produce a videogame, so the creators of Girl Genius decided to do the same with some lovely puzzle platformer game for Android. $4 gets you the Android app and $4 + $1 gets you the iPhone app + another iPhone app. The Foliogos are some funny weird goony fuckers, I'll back them for $4.
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Zereth posted:Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of why I should or should not back this? Do the devs have a good/bad track record? I don't know anything about the devs - I think this is their first project. At least, that's the impression I get from the little blurb they wrote for their company description on KS. I think most of the backing has been on the basis of the concept alone, because let's face it - Dungeon Keeper/Dwarf Fortress plus Fallout does sound like a pretty cool game.
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Johnny Law posted:The problem (or "problem") with showing prototypes and other concrete development is that it brings people's imagination down to earth. On the other hand if you start with just "Populous spiritual sequel from Peter Molyneux!" then lots of folks see their own personal dream reflected in that and they pony up. When you later release additional details to attract the more skeptical or rational donaters, the early birds will probably still stick with you as they feel committed/invested. Concept art might be enough of a scaffolding for some people to hang their hopes on, but I have a much easier time hanging them on that latest gameplay prototype video. If they'd launched with that much shown, they'd have been funded long ago.
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Mirthless posted:They're trying to make an ambitious 3d post-apocalypse game for 100,000 dollars? That's an odd position to take. Plenty of games get funded for less than that - less than $50,000, even - and manage to make it to mark it. Indie games are a special beast. But besides that, an important thing to keep in mind is that the funding goal for a Kickstarter is a tricky number. Just because it represents how much money they need, doesn't mean that it represents the budget for the game. Many Kickstarters are already pretty far along in progress. Other campaigns may already have funding from other sources. Or combinations of both of those. For instance, take Ravaged and Tales of Fallen London. Both asked for $10K-$15K, and ended up getting about $40K. And they were both able to finish and release their game with that money. Except, Tales of Fallen London is a text-based browser game, and Ravaged is a full-3D multiplayer, vehicular FPS. You can't judge the scope of a game solely based on how much money they're asking for. Like I said, don't confuse the funding goal with the game's budget. In other words, even if a studio is asking for $100000 on KS, that is in no way the same as saying that they're trying to make the game for $100000. Kickstarter isn't just about being the sole funding source for a project. For reference, I put together a list of some non-mobile games that got funded, came out, and what they raised/asked for: TRIP - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/axelshokk/trip-an-abstract-surreal-exploration-experience - $2200/$500 Phantasmaburbia - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1655502920/phantasmaburbia - $2600/$1000 OutReach - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/766808121/outreach-the-search-for-mankind - $2700/$2500 Warbarons - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499327409/warbarons-a-classic-turn-based-strategy-game - $6000/$6000 Paranormal - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mattcohen/paranormal - $8000/$800 Saturday Morning RPG - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyjosh/saturday-morning-rpg - $10000/$6000 Guncraft - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/exatogames/guncraft-voxel-based-first-person-shooter - $16000/$16000 Party of Sin - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080742704/party-of-sin - $16000/$8000 No Time For Questions - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1296948465/no-time-to-explain-indie-game - $26000/$7000 Cognition - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/postudios/cognition-an-erica-reed-thriller - $34000/$25000 Guns of Icarus Online - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/musegames/guns-of-icarus-online - $35000/$10000 Ravaged - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2dawngames/ravaged - $38000/$15000 Tales of Fallen London: The Silver Tree - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elizabethsampat/tales-of-fallen-london-the-silver-tree - $45000/$10000 Chivalry - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1711512107/chivalry-medieval-warfare - $85000/$50000 Diamond Trust of London - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1443658586/diamond-trust-of-london - $90000/$78000 Project Giana - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/project-giana/project-giana - $186000/$150000 FTL - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64409699/ftl-faster-than-light - $200000/$10000
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Kind of related to the above discussion - what's everyones sense for the target funding that indie games should be going for, these days? I mean, obviously there are exceptions, and I'm not talking about the tiny mobile games or the (way too) giant indie MMO slow-motion trainwrecks. What range do people feel comfortable with, if they're looking at a reasonable 1-3 person indie project, assuming it has a real prototype and decent media? ... and mind, I mean base funding goal. Maybe they 800% fund it, whatevs, a lot of that comes from having a sane and good-feeling initial target. I kind of feel like something in the $15k-$20k range is where I expect an indie project to sit. Anything above that - $30k+ - and something kicks over in my brain, and I start looking at it differently. But maybe I'm not being fair, or am stuck in an old-school Kickstarter mindset. Shalinor fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Dec 21, 2012 |
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Shalinor posted:Kind of related to the above discussion - what's everyones sense for the target funding that indie games should be going for, these days? For me it's a quick breakdown. Is the studio established with previous releases? If so, then $10-15k/12 months/person on the dev team, since they have to maintain employment, but the employees still get somewhat paid from their finished games (a studio of 5 that say they need 6 months to finish the game should shoot for $25-40k). If the studio has just been made, then $10-15k in total is the limit (with some leeway for the scope of the game, of course). The people who got hired knew exactly the risks, pay and the kickstarter is more of an advertisement than an actual funding job at this point. If they made a studio without being able to fund the studio, then that doesn't bode well for their money management with higher figures.
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XboxPants posted:For instance, take Ravaged and Tales of Fallen London. Both asked for $10K-$15K, and ended up getting about $40K. And they were both able to finish and release their game with that money. Except, Tales of Fallen London is a text-based browser game, and Ravaged is a full-3D multiplayer, vehicular FPS. You can't judge the scope of a game solely based on how much money they're asking for. Also, the Ravaged devs claimed the game was very near completion when they started the project. They just needed the extra money to finish it.
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