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Fragmented
Oct 7, 2003

I'm not ready =(

I've never watched this Cupp lady before, does she always make a face like she's smelling a fart?

Edit:Sam J was awesome. I loved the black panther bit. It was like Bill didn't realize he was kinda dressed like a black panther until after he told the joke.

Fragmented fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 10, 2012

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az
Dec 2, 2005

Fragmented posted:

I've never watched this Cupp lady before, does she always make a face like she's smelling a fart?

That's her smug condescension face.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 19 days!
I'd never seen S.E. Cupp before either, so I Googled her, and the majority of results were her blatantly displaying her legs on various Fox News shows, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they consider her an ideal pundit. :v:

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy
SE Cupp is so loving pointless to have on the show. She literally brings nothing to it, except annoyance.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

I am a huge pacifist and have never hit a person in anger in all my 30 years but my god I would love to take a swing at SE Cupp.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Her concern trolling act was lame and spiteful. I would have rather had one of the yelly fat guys from a few weeks ago because at least they would be honest. (And one can be shouted down, it was having two that made it insufferable)

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

That's what pisses me off the most. She takes real actual issues with Obama/democrats/whatever, pretends to care how they failed at them, then swings into idiotic regressive bullshit that would be even worse than what Obama/democrats did. Ablooblooo drone strikes, yeah, I loving hate those too, but R-Money would have us in a ground war in Iran.

At least shouty republican blowhards are honest, and on some level I can respect that. SE Cupp is not remotely savvy or smooth enough to disguise her concern trolling.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 19 days!

IRQ posted:

That's what pisses me off the most. She takes real actual issues with Obama/democrats/whatever, pretends to care how they failed at them, then swings into idiotic regressive bullshit that would be even worse than what Obama/democrats did. Ablooblooo drone strikes, yeah, I loving hate those too, but R-Money would have us in a ground war in Iran.

At least shouty republican blowhards are honest, and on some level I can respect that. SE Cupp is not remotely savvy or smooth enough to disguise her concern trolling.

When I read that she was an "atheist" who wouldn't "vote for an atheist president" because she felt religious faith was a "check" on the presidency, I knew right then and there that I could safely disregard anything that came out of her mouth from now until the end of time.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
Her noontime MSNC show is not completely horrible and she isn't nearly as annoying as she was last night. She basically just acts as a ringleader for some other people making quips but there are no "OBBBUMER" rants. However, I've only seen it a few times so perhaps she goes full nuclear Glenn Beck if she starts feeling too "soft."

I'm thinking she just tries to be devil's advocate on Bill's show as well as try to obnoxiously keep her Fox News "anti-liberal bonus points" at a certain level so she can keep appearing there too.

Carville owns, "pine on skull" is my new favorite saying.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Like a whack to Hannity's head wouldn't reveal it was hollow.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

I finally caught up with all the shows of the last 3 weeks.

Chrystia Freeland did make a good point about the illogicality of allowing abortions for rape victims and not for others. I did agree with Bill's point at the end concerning there not being many doves left in US politics. As I watched the third presidential debate I thought both candidates came across as arrogant while they were threatening other countries. Romney resorted to calling people the "bad guys."

Also, concerning last nights show. Who coined the term "fiscal cliff?" I don't understand that label.

Is it really going to be a catastrophe if the "Bush tax cuts" (Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003) expire? I do not think they came close to accomplishing what they were designed to do.

If expiration occurs:

-Increase in the two top personal income tax rates to 36 and 39.6 percent.
-Top long-term capital gains rate increases from 15 to 20 percent.
-Expiration of the lower 15 percent qualified dividend tax rate.
-Cancellation of the 2010 payroll tax cuts
-Decrease in the individual estate tax exemption from $5 million to $1 million.
-Top federal estate tax rate escalation from 35 percent to 55 percent.

"Fiscal cliff?" Am I missing something here?


Super Deuce posted:

Michael Steele seems like he plays the devil's advocate more than he agrees with his party.

You can always tell because every time he's on the show Bill confronts him and Steele just laughs like he knows Bill's right. Why does Bill keep saying that Steele would be a good moderate Republican anyway? Those guys get voted out.

Damo posted:

Not everything you say is loving gold, Bill. In fact, most of the poo poo you say is not funny. We mostly watch for the catharsis you give us when you say "gently caress" a lot about how stupid republicans and politics in general are because pundits can't say gently caress on cable.

True, he does it so much that it feels like it's part of his shtick at this point.

Zogo fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Nov 11, 2012

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Zogo posted:

Also, concerning last nights show. Who coined the term "fiscal cliff?" I don't understand that label.

Is it really going to be a catastrophe if the "Bush tax cuts" (Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003) expire?

Of all the options put forward that'll likely happen: fiscal cliff, Simpson-Bowles catfood commission, whatever dark sorcery the GOP has cooked up, fiscal cliff is honestly the best possible outcome. Like you said killing the Bush tax cuts for everyone will have zero bad effects, and the defense sequestration won't hurt a thing, which is where most of the crowing about the fiscal cliff has come from.

Oh lawdy kill Medicare and block grant Medicaid, raise SS eligibility to 70, but don't touch my pew pew laser boats!

BrooklynBruiser
Aug 20, 2006
Aren't there a bunch of other spending cuts too, not just defense? I thought those were the big issues, not so much the defense bit.

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy
Overtime:

Sam L Jackson said he was with Bruce Willis in Die Hard 2. :lol:

az
Dec 2, 2005

TLG James posted:

Overtime:

Sam L Jackson said he was with Bruce Willis in Die Hard 2. :lol:

I took a double take at that too. And then I went and watched Loaded Weapon again, thanks Sam!

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
It was really annoying how Cupp jumped on how important Benghazi was when Bill mentioned how republicans keep arguing that the president is culpable and after everyone had ridden her clusterfuck she peeps "oh, tee-hee, I was just talking about how the state department is responsible all this time."
I re-watched it. There is no confusion of what Bill was saying. Her muddying of the issue was nothing more than a knee-jerk need to validate republicans whether or not it makes sense to and she had to back out of that when she was getting called on it.

Can we get an all-human panel on the show, please? No robots.

az
Dec 2, 2005

You need robots to judge robot candidates I guess. :allears:

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Bill Maher is desperately in need of a real time fact checker.

quote:

Petraeus disputed Republican suggestions that the White House misled the public on what led to the violence in the midst of President Barack Obama's re-election campaign.

"There was an interagency process to draft it, not a political process," Schiff said after the hearing. "They came up with the best assessment without compromising classified information or source or methods. So changes were made to protect classified information.

"The general was adamant there was no politicization of the process, no White House interference or political agenda," Schiff said. "He completely debunked that idea."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/16/us-petraeus-benghazi-hearing.html

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

Just starting it now but what does he say?

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
The Republican lady from Miami says something about "Obbbaumaa lied about the reason for the Benghazi attack - Patraeus said so today derp derp derp!" and Bill goes "you only got that from what your GOP sources (FOX NEWS) are spouting, none of the actual transcripts have been released" and then the lady mutters under her breath "yeah, yer right."

EDIT: Refer to the link Buddy Ryan posted, Patraeus testified today at a hearing.

Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Nov 17, 2012

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

Keyser S0ze posted:

The Republican lady from Miami says something about "Obbbaumaa lied about the reason for the Benghazi attack - Patraeus said so today derp derp derp!" and Bill goes "you only got that from what your GOP sources (FOX NEWS) are spouting, none of the actual transcripts have been released" and then the lady mutters under her breath "yeah, yer right."

I've been following this pretty close but what transcript are we talking about here. Did she mean whatever document the CIA handed to Rice for her tv circuit talking points?

EDIT: Holy poo poo this lady. Haha when Bill calls her out for being for Romney, and now being so against him. The way she's basically like "well he lost so I don't like him anymore". Wow she's way out of her league here.

EDIT2: Yeah I have to agree why the gently caress are we splitting hairs about how long it took the white house to call the attack what it was? It matters not. Knowing wouldn't have changed the outcome. I don't loving get it. The most I can figure is the whole thing is a big rear end concern troll.


Ok I think I see what your quibble is with there. It may have been odd how he spoke there, but I still think he is pretty much with the facts. The lady is the one who is wrong. She drew the wrong conclusion from what the republicans said in the hearing. She took it to mean Petraeus had two sets of stories at the same time, when really the way I understand it was at the time Rice was given the talking points that was all that was declassified and she said only what the CIA told her. The other info came after that.

Bill was just slamming the mouthpiece delivering the info but I'm not sure he is outright saying they are lying. I guess you could draw that conclusion I don't know.

From the article:
"Peter King, chair of the House committee on homeland security, and others on the committee spoke to reporters following the Friday morning closed-door hearing."

ApexAftermath fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 17, 2012

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Yeah I meant he needed the facts to shut her down rather than call it a "He Said/She Said."

Petraeus in no way backed up the Republican conspiracy theories.

ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

Oh yeah I agree but I'm not sure he really had his facts wrong, and he still got the same result. She shut right the gently caress up.

ExiledTinkerer
Nov 4, 2009
Pretty terrible episode to end on really---the CNN woman was insufferable, and Frum was closer to Classic Frum than the "New Frum" that got booted once the TP folks started taking markers to the walls. It really looks like Obama's second term will be mainly more obstructionism when it doesn't directly benefit big business and a desperate series of contortions in a bid for another impeachment attempt that would likely dwarf the Clinton one.

Moore should've had a proper answer to the docu question, and was oddly enough about as subdued as I can ever recall him being on the panel.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

The opening segment was pretty good. I can see why Bill was lamenting that the season was ending just now as this scandal really broke open. This is the kind of subject that he'd talk about for months.

ApexAftermath posted:

Haha when Bill calls her out for being for Romney, and now being so against him. The way she's basically like "well he lost so I don't like him anymore".

She was honest at least heh.. A lot of people treat their politicians like sports teams. They're the best ever and their flaws are glossed over until they screw up or lose. That's when they're loathed. I remember Howard Dean being a rockstar until he made a speech that some people didn't like and then he was an "idiot."

And politics of today seems to dictate that you get one shot as the nominee and then you're persona non grata. Losers are typically relegated to making documentaries or selling Viagra. They don't get a second shot like Nixon or Grover Cleveland. Imagine Bush losing in 2004 and then coming back in 2012 and defeating Obama.

ApexAftermath posted:

Yeah I have to agree why the gently caress are we splitting hairs about how long it took the white house to call the attack what it was? It matters not. Knowing wouldn't have changed the outcome. I don't loving get it. The most I can figure is the whole thing is a big rear end concern troll.

Because the Rs are going to be looking for any single issue where they can make Obama look incompetent or show that he's not omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent on whatever the issue of the week happens to be. We'll have four more years of that definitely. One of the more popular books right now for conservatives is "The Amateur." That's what they'll continue to perceive him to be on every issue. There are still a lot of proud racists living in the US and they will remain for the foreseeable future.

It's just the binary thinking that plagues politics. We all know thousands of people died in foreign areas when Bush was president. Very few blamed him directly for any of that.

Why don't we blame our leaders for deaths within the country? It's the actual area that they're controlling after all and the jurisdiction that they're supposed to be operating in rather than far-flung areas. I think it's because people feel, for lack of a better term, "nationalistically violated" when they think "terrorists" are killing US citizens and conversely don't seem to mind too much when thousands are being killed every year for stupid and fixable reasons within the country itself.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Zogo posted:

The opening segment was pretty good. I can see why Bill was lamenting that the season was ending just now as this scandal really broke open. This is the kind of subject that he'd talk about for months.


She was honest at least heh.. A lot of people treat their politicians like sports teams. They're the best ever and their flaws are glossed over until they screw up or lose. That's when they're loathed. I remember Howard Dean being a rockstar until he made a speech that some people didn't like and then he was an "idiot."

And politics of today seems to dictate that you get one shot as the nominee and then you're persona non grata. Losers are typically relegated to making documentaries or selling Viagra. They don't get a second shot like Nixon or Grover Cleveland. Imagine Bush losing in 2004 and then coming back in 2012 and defeating Obama.
Yes, while that obviously will never happen I'm positive that if for some fantastical reason Bush would be running against Obama that hating Bush would be out of style instantly and all of those talking heads that said they didn't like him would do a 180 and support him again in a heartbeat.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

A reminder that the show is returning after it's hiatus on Friday night. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/01/15/real-time-with-bill-maher-launches-its-11th-season-january-18th/165487/

Roundtable guests: Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, Steve LaTourette and Martin Short

Interview guests: Bob Kerrey and Rula Jebreal

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx
Apart from Rula Jebreal that sounds like a terrible panel.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."

Zogo posted:

Martin Short

Good to see that Bill is still sabotaging his own show.

Steinuh
Nov 17, 2011

Watching Bill on Leno was pretty sad just seeing the audience not know what the gently caress he was talking about. Then it became cringe worthy when the 2 people from the Jersey shore were on and they tried to give Bill tanning spray.

sildenafil
Dec 17, 2004

They're just jealous.
So are we going to have a new thread?

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Steinuh posted:

Watching Bill on Leno was pretty sad just seeing the audience not know what the gently caress he was talking about. Then it became cringe worthy when the 2 people from the Jersey shore were on and they tried to give Bill tanning spray.

I just watched it on Youtube. "Pat Robertson is to the left of Obama on pot."

sildenafil posted:

So are we going to have a new thread?

No one made one for last season and it was just carried over. I don't think there would be objections either way.

Zogo fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jan 17, 2013

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Steinuh posted:

Watching Bill on Leno was pretty sad just seeing the audience not know what the gently caress he was talking about. Then it became cringe worthy when the 2 people from the Jersey shore were on and they tried to give Bill tanning spray.

I don't know why he keeps going on there. The most cringeworthy moment I've ever seen on a live tv show was when he was asked if the they should be allowed to build the ground zero mosque during that whole debacle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3TFf0S1dk

amaranthine
Aug 27, 2009
I AM A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING

watt par posted:

Apart from Rula Jebreal that sounds like a terrible panel.

Steve LaTourette's my now-ex-congressperson and he's not actually that bad, he quit this year and made a bunch of "the republicans suck rear end" comments to the media afterward. He probably won't be exciting, but he's certainly not as bad as Dana Rohrabacher or whatever his name is.

TyrantWD
Nov 6, 2010
Ignore my doomerism, I don't think better things are possible

Zogo posted:

Roundtable guests: Michelle Caruso-Cabrera

Oh boy. More anarcho-capitalist nonsense.

Dudebro
Jan 1, 2010
I :fap: TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS

sildenafil posted:

So are we going to have a new thread?

If you really want to, you can make one. I'm sure no one noticed, but I stopped posting here (because I stopped watching the show). It just became more and more annoying and the good episodes are few and far between. No one cool like Dr. Neil Tyson should want to go on this show anymore. Just another hour I didn't need to spend on a TV show.

sildenafil
Dec 17, 2004

They're just jealous.
I just wanted to make sure I'm looking in the right place for new replies. I usually watch the show a day or two late, so I'd make a lousy OP. :shobon:

ExiledTinkerer
Nov 4, 2009
I want to have some hope for this new season---maybe he can drag Oliver Stone back now that Untold History is finally wrapped up on Showtime or something, or any number of good folks. Hell, I want Kucinich on now if only to see what in the world is up with him apparently taking a paid gig on Fox News of all places.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

ExiledTinkerer posted:

Hell, I want Kucinich on now if only to see what in the world is up with him apparently taking a paid gig on Fox News of all places.

Holy poo poo! I love(d) Dennis. What has he done?!

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ApexAftermath
May 24, 2006

Oh snap I would have totally missed this if not for the bump. Thanks guys!

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