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Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

pdxjohan posted:

No worries. I canned it this morning so you could be put on the Austrian Painting School game..

HOI4 is going to be released as a DLC campaign for CK2, the first decision in the game is picking an education for Hitler.

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Pooned
Dec 28, 2005

Eye contact counters everything
That's dark.


(Also please give me the third secret document please. I won't give it to anyone else, promise)

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

pdxjohan posted:

No worries. I canned it this morning so you could be put on the Austrian Painting School game..

Damnit, Austria is already overpowered. We don't need them blobbing even harder.

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004

Wiz posted:

That's called 'Friday afternoon' around the office.
Pics or it didn't happen.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Alchenar posted:

HOI4 is going to be released as a DLC campaign for CK2, the first decision in the game is picking an education for Hitler.



The Nazi Time Machine - A Strange Story of the First Reich (CK2 AAR)

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008


I did not realise this was a thing but I am so glad it is.

Cabbage Disrespect
Apr 24, 2009

ROBUST COMBAT
Leonard Riflepiss
Soiled Meat

ZearothK posted:

You need to have Darkest Hour installed on Steam in order to see the CD-Key. I had the same problem when I bought DH there but already had it installed from somewhere else.

It's installed on Steam, but I don't have the right-click option to view it.

Rudi Starnberg
Jul 8, 2012
That's bizarre. Have you tried running the game? Maybe verify the intergrity of the game cache? Also if you check under DLC for DH you should see "Darkest Hour - Forum registration key" (although it's not viewable from the DLC menu). If you don't then that's probably the problem and it would seem like a fault a Steam's end, not PI.

NihilVerumNisiMors
Aug 16, 2012
GMG has Master of the Arcane on sale, how did the game hold up? I heard at launch it was pretty awful.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
Still pretty poo poo. It looks decent, and plays decent, but the depth isn't there. If you want to play a fantasy TBS game, FFH2 and it's submods for Civ4:BTS is a far better choice in my eyes.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Jakse posted:

I will admit for having a degree in history Medieval to Enlightenment era Balkan states aren't exactly my forte, but how what the hell is up with the fixation on Serbia? Especially to the point of it being a "true successor" to Rome?

There was already some anger at Paradox from that direction because of the lack of any Paradox games that feature the Serbian Empire at its height (because said height is basically twenty years in the mid-14th century, somewhat after the 1337 bookmark in CK2 but well before EU3's start date). There was a pretty great thread on the EU4 board accusing Paradox of picking bookmarks in such a way that the Serbian Empire will never appear, which I don't think was intentional but kind of hope was.

Also, will Dino Universalis feature Pangaea? I think that'd be a fascinating world map.

donzwei
Jun 20, 2012


Kinda funny that they made Hitler a Duke of Brandenburg, when the political power he fought in Germany in the early 1920s, among others, were the remains of the political group around the Emperor and what once was Prussia.

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat

Patter Song posted:

Also, will Dino Universalis feature Pangaea? I think that'd be a fascinating world map.

They better add in the option for us to play as mammals.

They should be able to do something in the game other than getting eaten up by all the dinos, or sit around waiting to evolve as well.

Cabbage Disrespect
Apr 24, 2009

ROBUST COMBAT
Leonard Riflepiss
Soiled Meat

Rudi Starnberg posted:

That's bizarre. Have you tried running the game? Maybe verify the intergrity of the game cache? Also if you check under DLC for DH you should see "Darkest Hour - Forum registration key" (although it's not viewable from the DLC menu). If you don't then that's probably the problem and it would seem like a fault a Steam's end, not PI.

I have a few hours of playtime and I've verified the cache once. The Properties -> DLC menu tells me that I have no DLC and the DLC listing you can get by pressing "view available DLC" says that there's no DLC available. I'll suppose I'll put in a Steam ticket, then, unless I'm missing something really obvious.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Wiz posted:

You know we're not supposed to talk about what we do at work, now you've all but given away the 'Rise of the Old Ones' DLC!

...I'd buy it. Seriously. Not for irony or jokes. Something completely alien and different? Something with a completely different style or system? Gladly.

Crusader Kings 2: Ancient Horrors.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jan 27, 2013

Serpentis
May 31, 2011

Well, if I really HAVE to shoot you in the bollocks to shut you up, then I guess I'll need to, post-haste, for everyone else's sake.

Bloodly posted:

...I'd buy it. Seriously. Not for irony or jokes. Something completely alien and different? Something with a completely different style or system? Gladly.

Crusader Kings 2: Ancient Horrors.

Call of Cthulu's Crusader Kings, perhaps? (I would also buy that the moment it came out)

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Bloodly posted:

...I'd buy it. Seriously. Not for irony or jokes. Something completely alien and different? Something with a completely different style or system? Gladly.

Taking any sort of diplomatic action, as a human character, towards a Lovecraftian abomination has a 99% chance of giving you the trait "Lunatic".

donzwei
Jun 20, 2012

Bloodly posted:

...I'd buy it. Seriously. Not for irony or jokes. Something completely alien and different? Something with a completely different style or system? Gladly.

Crusader Kings 2: Ancient Horrors.

Would really like to know how they would implement historic events and timelines, which is a norm in their games and which from my point of view is one of the highlights in the series :)

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet
I'm currently involved in an EU3 game playing as a naval power, and I'm really wishing that I had a 'detach obsolete' button on my navies which split off vessels from a lower naval tech tier.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Kersch posted:

I'm currently involved in an EU3 game playing as a naval power, and I'm really wishing that I had a 'detach obsolete' button on my navies which split off vessels from a lower naval tech tier.

Can we please have this?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Pornographic Memory posted:

Taking any sort of diplomatic action, as a human character, towards a Lovecraftian abomination has a 99% chance of giving you the trait "Lunatic".

donzwei posted:

Would really like to know how they would implement historic events and timelines, which is a norm in their games and which from my point of view is one of the highlights in the series

Hmm. I don't entirely see it as a separate thing(With true 'dynasties' and such), but an addition. Something not quite hidden, not quite not.

Mystic trait, high Learning, Insane, Depressed, Lunatic, or random chance has the chance for a random event where you hear about odd cultists. Investigating and not simply wiping them out can lead you to changing your religion to 'Elder'(A heresy). Random +/- with other Mystics.

Converting others, staying as Elder and surviving, etc can change your culture to 'Elder', also. This is the turning point: The Elder version of holdings are very different from the standard both in baseline troops and what their upgrades do(Very much in terms of stat boosts and power of troops rather than numbers). The objective is not dynastic, but cultural survival, awakening and linking up with lost colonies of....things(These would be major events for the Elder faction only), and so on.

Religious actions aren't divorces or the like, but weirder things. Spawning troops, fomenting uprisings, etc. Chapain may also go converting and cause similar(Lesser) things.

Fighting and winning could spawn troops(Rituals, splicing, resurrection).

Yeah, this is kinda vague. Can't help it. It doesn't help that I keep getting Terror from the Deep mixed into it. Aquatoids, cloning, Lobstermen.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
You know, if they ever do a Lovecraft DLC, I'd like where the "call of Cthulhu" appears to be random every game. Sometimes Ireland becomes a haven for worshippers of the Old Ones while the Scots, Welsh, and English try to stand against the hordes of cultists; sometimes it pops up near Italy and the heart of the Catholic Church falls against eldritch magicks. What if Byzantium answers the call of the deep and tries to reclaim the lost glory of Rome in the name of Cthulhu?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Darkrenown posted:

In the absence of of any link or context I'll go out on a limb and say it was an analogy to say playing Ming in MP vs European major players is giving the Ming player an extra challenge, akin to the extra challenge of playing a OPM. Some countries won't fare as well as others in a competitive MP game. Not that Ming is literally a OPM.

If by "extra challenge" you mean crazy exploit the game by releasing Qin/Wu/Sha and playing as them instead of Ming as the minimum requirement to be able to compete with Europe? Sure! :eng101:

*Side note, the game is much funner as China when your Qin and reconquer China as you have "stuff" to do.

Captain Gars posted:

What he meant was don't play Baden if your friend plays France and expect a fair fight. Pick Castile or England. Or get your friend to play another OPM. If that makes the game "too unbalanced in MP" for you, I'd sugest playing chess instead.

Here it is, this cannot be reasonable interpreted as "Ming is an extra challenge in MP" its "Yeah we're not going to fix this because we don't believe Ming is meant to be played competitively in MP."

The point, is that at least in MP as the SP AI is easily exploited, is that the imbalance between China, which should've by all historical evidence been at its height circa 1400-1550 is so large even with the weakest of maritime powers that its easily curbstomped; a situation made worse by the faction system to the point where you literally couldn't do anything to stop said curbstomping.

When presented with evidence that the faction system seem to inherently imbalances the game to make Ming uncompetitive with European players the answer is essentially "WAD".

donzwei
Jun 20, 2012

Bloodly posted:

Hmm. I don't entirely see it as a separate thing(With true 'dynasties' and such), but an addition. Something not quite hidden, not quite not.

Mystic trait, high Learning, Insane, Depressed, Lunatic, or random chance has the chance for a random event where you hear about odd cultists. Investigating and not simply wiping them out can lead you to changing your religion to 'Elder'(A heresy). Random +/- with other Mystics.

Converting others, staying as Elder and surviving, etc can change your culture to 'Elder', also. This is the turning point: The Elder version of holdings are very different from the standard both in baseline troops and what their upgrades do(Very much in terms of stat boosts and power of troops rather than numbers). The objective is not dynastic, but cultural survival, awakening and linking up with lost colonies of....things(These would be major events for the Elder faction only), and so on.

Religious actions aren't divorces or the like, but weirder things. Spawning troops, fomenting uprisings, etc. Chapain may also go converting and cause similar(Lesser) things.

Fighting and winning could spawn troops(Rituals, splicing, resurrection).

Yeah, this is kinda vague. Can't help it. It doesn't help that I keep getting Terror from the Deep mixed into it. Aquatoids, cloning, Lobstermen.

To implement that, you would have to make an expansion that completely broke the ties with the main game, taking the historical premises in account, but yeah it would be entertaining :)

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Raenir Salazar posted:

When presented with evidence that the faction system seem to inherently imbalances the game to make Ming uncompetitive with European players the answer is essentially "WAD".

It kind of has to be, in order for Ming not to be even more of a monster in SP. The game can't support different rules for SP vs MP games, so Ming has to be smashed into the ground for both formats, so it's not quite as overpowered. Ming is a rich country the size of Europe, without massive restrictions in MP it would be stupidly OP.

Just don't play as Ming in MP, play Ming in SP when you want to take over the world from the East.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Ming doesn't have the wealth or manpower of Europe, it has maybe France's wealth and manpower if all factors are equal.

SeaTard posted:

It kind of has to be, in order for Ming not to be even more of a monster in SP. The game can't support different rules for SP vs MP games, so Ming has to be smashed into the ground for both formats, so it's not quite as overpowered. Ming is a rich country the size of Europe, without massive restrictions in MP it would be stupidly OP.

Just don't play as Ming in MP, play Ming in SP when you want to take over the world from the East.

You are telling me, that it is *impossible* for a game developer/programmer, whose job requires a high degree of problem solving skills, to find a way for Ming to not be so overpowered as to conquer the world that they had absolutely no choice but to nerf Ming so hard that its now comparable to try playing a OPM?

I can think of a few solutions, an even chain that westernizes you early that only a Human is likely to use. The ability to reform or dismantle factions/celestial empire, maybe some more things that rely on having the right kind of sliders that are good for MP play but also not the ones an AI would pick and so on.

Bishop Rodan
Dec 5, 2011

See you in the funny papers, liebchen!
I can understand why they'd want to gimp Ming. I remember back in IN nothing short of divine intervention could stop Ming from marching all the way to the Caspian and past the Urals. And this was before the horrible horde system, mind.

It's just that the awful faction system was the completely wrong way to go about it.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Mr. Showtime posted:

I have a few hours of playtime and I've verified the cache once. The Properties -> DLC menu tells me that I have no DLC and the DLC listing you can get by pressing "view available DLC" says that there's no DLC available. I'll suppose I'll put in a Steam ticket, then, unless I'm missing something really obvious.

I have the same problem, so do post if you find a solution.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Darkrenown posted:

Eh, as long as we keep DinoUniversais under wraps it's all good.

I swear to god, if you do not at least release Laurasia Universalis as an EU4 DLC I'm gonna be mad. :mad:

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Raenir Salazar posted:

Here it is, this cannot be reasonable interpreted as "Ming is an extra challenge in MP" its "Yeah we're not going to fix this because we don't believe Ming is meant to be played competitively in MP."

No, it's literally exactly what I said: Ming is not balanced vs the European majors, so it's not a good idea to play as them against said majors in a competitive MP game. I don't see where the misunderstanding is coming from, and he's in no way saying Ming = OPM. You can imagine that's what he means and get angry about it if you really want to, but I don't see what good that does.

Also, the post you're quoting is from 2 years ago on a different forum, you should really let this go.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Darkrenown posted:

No, it's literally exactly what I said: Ming is not balanced vs the European majors, so it's not a good idea to play as them against said majors in a competitive MP game. I don't see where the misunderstanding is coming from, and he's in no way saying Ming = OPM. You can imagine that's what he means and get angry about it if you really want to, but I don't see what good that does.

Also, the post you're quoting is from 2 years ago on a different forum, you should really let this go.
For reference: Raenir is Sid Meier on the Paradox Forums, who is somewhat infamous for refusing to play an MP game if he couldn't be China, and sperging about it to a very inane degree. The reason he is starting his own MP Grand Campaign is because the one he used to be a part of kicked him out.

I'm not trying to invoke cross-forum drama, I'm just making a note that there's a reason Raenir is holding this grudge against you guys :v:

Beamed fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jan 28, 2013

OctaviusBeaver
Apr 30, 2009

Say what now?
I'm having a really interesting game of Victoria: Revolutions that I don't want to end (Russia is steamrolling everything, I annexed China as the US and have a population approaching 2 billion). Is there a way to modify a save to extend the end date past 1936?

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


OctaviusBeaver posted:

I'm having a really interesting game of Victoria: Revolutions that I don't want to end (Russia is steamrolling everything, I annexed China as the US and have a population approaching 2 billion). Is there a way to modify a save to extend the end date past 1936?

There's a file that modifies your .exe to no longer end at '36, you don't need to mess with the save - but I'm not sure where it is on the Paradox forums.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Beamed posted:

For reference: Raenir is Sid Meier on the Paradox Forums, aka Blayne, who is somewhat infamous for refusing to play an MP game if he couldn't be China, and sperging about it to a very inane degree. The reason he is starting his own MP Grand Campaign is because the one he used to be a part of kicked him out.

I'm not trying to invoke cross-forum drama, I'm just making a note that there's a reason Raenir is holding this grudge against you guys :v:

Oh I know he's Sid Meier anyway, although "Blayne" is unknown to me.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

OctaviusBeaver posted:

I'm having a really interesting game of Victoria: Revolutions that I don't want to end (Russia is steamrolling everything, I annexed China as the US and have a population approaching 2 billion). Is there a way to modify a save to extend the end date past 1936?

I'm going to need some screenshots of this it sounds hilarious.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Darkrenown posted:

No, it's literally exactly what I said: Ming is not balanced vs the European majors, so it's not a good idea to play as them against said majors in a competitive MP game.


I don't think your quite understanding, your nit picking the semantics of what I said; not addressing the actual concerns that underlie it.


quote:

I don't see where the misunderstanding is coming from, and he's in no way saying Ming = OPM. You can imagine that's what he means and get angry about it if you really want to, but I don't see what good that does.

Paradox made not just one but what had to be several poorly thought out game design decisions; why is it WAD for Ming to be uncompetitive? Why did you chose a system that a human player could never reasonably change except through exploits? Encouraging the use of exploits to by pass design decisions implies that the design decisions are poor if no player would ever willingly make use of them; but in fact has to go through various hoops to by pass them entirely.


quote:

Also, the post you're quoting is from 2 years ago on a different forum, you should really let this go.

Let's walk back a few steps and remember that the conversation started when we were joking about the poor track record Paradox has with Asia and RotW cultures in general; and how based on that track record Ming in EU4 is probably going to be poo poo. I brought up the post because you said "But without context..." and said something silly.

quote:

I'm just making a note that there's a reason Raenir is holding this grudge against you guys

Um, no? It's armchair game design quarter backing, get your facts straight.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Bloodly posted:

...I'd buy it. Seriously. Not for irony or jokes. Something completely alien and different? Something with a completely different style or system? Gladly.

Crusader Kings 2: Ancient Horrors.

I just want to echo the fact that if Paradox did another "for fun" DLC, I would preorder a Call of Cthulu one so hard. Crusader Kings 2: Romes VS Old Ones.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
R'lyeh the 37th R'ome.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

OctaviusBeaver posted:

I'm having a really interesting game of Victoria: Revolutions that I don't want to end (Russia is steamrolling everything, I annexed China as the US and have a population approaching 2 billion). Is there a way to modify a save to extend the end date past 1936?

Check the Paradox forums for Ricky - someone out there has made a patcher for the exe to make games run until year 2499.

I think this should be it, and you also need to change the end date on your save game.

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Zoolooman
Mar 30, 2003

Beamed posted:

For reference...

Are you using his real name?

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