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Now I'm certain that Monobear really has hijacked Monomi's operation. Junko Enoshima's/Monobear's plan relied on the Hope's Peak students not realising that they were friends so that they would kill each other. And if the Jabberwock students have already befriended each other or simply known each other for years before the events of Super Dangan Ronpa 2, the New Monobear wouldn't want them know that, since they could hesitate in killing each other. So unless Monobear is able to really twist the truth or turn them against each other, I don't think the Jabberwock students are really old friends.
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orenronen posted:Yes -- "what t'heck?" has become the standard way of translating "nan de yo nen?" - the most cliche of cliched Manzai lines, often delivered together with the head slap. It appears in enough Japanese media that I figured people who knew it would recognize it for what it is, and people who didn't wouldn't miss much. The localized Ni no Kuni bit is about starting the world's worst weapon shop. The characters are even more Welsh than Mr. Drippy, which is no small feat.
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Waffleman_ posted:You know, seeing Monobear in that suit reminds me of another currently running LP... Look, it's my serial killer's badge!
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I was concerned at first that Togami might want to let Kuzuryuu speak so suspicion would fall on Kuzuryuu if Togami committed a murder. I was quite relieved to realise, when he cut in to bring up the possibility of execution, that he was just letting him talk so he could go 'well, you're making yourself look very suspicious, aren't you?' and thereby prevent Kuzuryuu from actually killing anyone. Probably. I'm surprised by how much faith I have in Togami. I suppose he made it clear in the first game that he's prepared to openly say 'I'm going to kill one of you and win the game' if that's what he's planning, so I'm prepared to take everything he says now at face value. If he commits murder, I'll be very surprised. Mahiru was pretty great in this update. Her obsession with gender roles in previous exchanges was getting a bit wearing, but I love that she refuses to be intimidated.
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orenronen posted:Yes -- "what t'heck?" has become the standard way of translating "nan de yo nen?" - the most cliche of cliched Manzai lines, often delivered together with the head slap. It appears in enough Japanese media that I figured people who knew it would recognize it for what it is, and people who didn't wouldn't miss much.
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The memory stealing would be a little more shocking if that wasn't already pretty obvious by now. No one remembered how they got to the classroom, then suddenly she shows up and transports them to an island. I'm still not sure about Togami, but I think this convinced me more that he's the one from the first game and not some other person. It fits right with his development at the end of the game, assuming DR2 takes place after the end of the first. Kuzuryuu unsurprisingly is willing to kill anyone he needs to. It makes me wonder why Hope Peak Academy even let him into the school. Super High School Level or not, he's still a gangster who grew up in a world of death and bloodshed. Even Mondo, who was a biker gang leader, never talked about wanting to murder people and seemed like a genuinely good guy who just badly hosed up. ...Then again it is an anime styled game and really anything goes when you factor that in. The logic of this setting can be pretty baffling 
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Happy Landfill posted:Even if you're not terribly fmiliar with manzai, Monomi saying "what t'heck" is a little jarring because that's not how she speaks at all. This is what I was getting at originally, how her speech pattern changed, almost as if her controller, because she is obviously being controlled by someone, slipped out of character for a moment.
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lotus circle posted:The memory stealing would be a little more shocking if that wasn't already pretty obvious by now. No one remembered how they got to the classroom, then suddenly she shows up and transports them to an island.
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Conro101 posted:I think the shocking part is supposed to be that it was Monomi and not Monobear that took their memories. Though, that's pretty obvious too. Shocking if you buy into the "Monobear and Monomi aren't working together" thing.
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Gensuki posted:Shocking if you buy into the "Monobear and Monomi aren't working together" thing.
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lotus circle posted:The memory stealing would be a little more shocking if that wasn't already pretty obvious by now. No one remembered how they got to the classroom, then suddenly she shows up and transports them to an island. I think it was implied something ELSE was wiped
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RefinedUndefined posted:This is what I was getting at originally, how her speech pattern changed, almost as if her controller, because she is obviously being controlled by someone, slipped out of character for a moment. She sounds like she's from Yorkshire. Just waiting for her to whine about that tuppin' Monobear now.
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Personally, the bit I'm most surprised by is Owari's reaction to Kuzuryuu. That's a worrisome reaction, isn't it? If Togami wasn't here to defuse the situation, she'd have thrown down right there.
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Yeah, I think Monomi being behind the cast losing their memories surprises exactly no-one. The surprising thing is that they've dropped this one on the board so early. Okay, I'm going put forward some of my personal theory, since this update only provided more fuel for it and no contradictions: Togami is the "original" mastermind, i.e. the one behind Monomi and the one who kidnapped the cast, deleted their memories, and was trying to force them to become friends and such. This accounts for all the little contradictions in his behavior; i.e. he behaves like he remembers more than he's saying, but he seems to want to protect the group and feels responsible for them and his foremost concern is diffusing murderous intentions, but he seems like he's hiding a considerable amount from them at the same time, and he shouldn't even be around as a student considering the events of DR1. That he seems to directly remember being a "I'm going to kill you all and I don't even give a poo poo" shithead in this latest update is more evidence he remembers DR1 and is hiding it. To extend on all this: If this is after DR1, then essentially the whole world has given into despair with Togami being one of the few exceptions. And of the survivors from DR1, he's the financial genius, he's the one capable of gathering up huge amounts resources and executing large-scale operations. (Remember that in the last trial of DR1, when you shout at him not to lose hope, he gets cocky he can rebuild his empire even in apocalyptic Monoworld conditions). Living in Monoworld, being one of the few people on the "hope" side of things, what's he going to do? Try to reintroduce "hope" to Monoworld people maybe, get things right back how they were. And that would explain the memory deletions: remove the memory of Monoworld and of giving into total despair, work from there. That Monobear now wants this group to realize they've been mind-wiped points to this; he wants everyone to despair and these people aren't because they can't remember any reasons to despair. In fact, I think Togami is controlling Monomi. One of the weirdest things I noticed in reviewing the updates is how little Togami talks whenever Usami/Monomi is around. It's especially conspicuous in this latest update. He's usually the single most wordy character; I thought it weird how he doesn't try to get information out of Momomi or Monobear that much. Ventriloquism or something? edit: I guess we'll see how some of this plays out within like, one update. If Monobear goes into great detail about mind-wiping, we may get a more or less definitive statement of whether Togami remembers anything from before. Falls Down Stairs fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 2, 2013 |
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Falls Down Stairs posted:In fact, I think Togami is controlling Monomi. One of the weirdest things I noticed in reviewing the updates is how little Togami talks whenever Usami/Monomi is around. It's especially conspicuous in this latest update. He's usually the single most wordy character; I thought it weird how he doesn't try to get information out of Momomi or Monobear that much. Ventriloquism or something? Togami, controlling Monomi? The reason he doesn't speak when Monomi is around is clearly because he doesn't want the controller to screw up. Then again, what can you expect, the controller is obviously Hagakure, at least that's what I think. Assuming you're right about Togami being behind the original 'field trip'.
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Now I really want to pan back and forth across the courtroom to see the two halves of Monobear objecting to each other. The light side already has Phoenix's suit, so the evil side could be Manfred von Kuma. Getting back to the story, I wonder if Mahiru is the SHSL photographer in a journalism sense. Before with her having such a bad reaction to Togami declaring himself leader, and now with her getting directly in the hostile gangster's face, it's like she wants to question the powerful figures and try and hold them accountable or something. Her backing of Sonia the literal royal figure seems weird then, but not when you consider her hangups about gender roles. She may associate men with abuse of power and privilege, so she'd want to back the most natural choice for a female leader. This is half speculation and half wishful thinking, since it would let me see her embarrassing "aren't you ashamed as a man?" comments as more nuanced with a sarcastic intent.
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Ratoslov posted:Personally, the bit I'm most surprised by is Owari's reaction to Kuzuryuu. That's a worrisome reaction, isn't it? If Togami wasn't here to defuse the situation, she'd have thrown down right there. Besides the near-confirmation of my statement that this Togami is our Togami, this is what stood out to me the most in the update. Owari is a dangerous player in this game. I didn't think about it before, but I should have. It's been stated that she's careless and somewhat self-absorbed, in that she won't do something unless she feels like it on a whim. She doesn't care about rules and she doesn't care what others think of her. She is unpredictable and therefore scary when it comes to a murder game.
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It seems like Togami's actions are wholly there to trick people who want it to be the same person from DR1. I dunno, it just seems overly convenient at this point for it to be the person people are expecting. (Great update as always, orenronen.)
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Waffleman_ posted:You know, seeing Monobear in that suit reminds me of another currently running LP... Two can play that game.  OBJECTION! Why aren't any of you killing each other yet?! sorry the colors are kind of flat
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Tesseraction posted:It seems like Togami's actions are wholly there to trick people who want it to be the same person from DR1. I dunno, it just seems overly convenient at this point for it to be the person people are expecting. I dunno, man. "Fat Togami is Classic Togami" raises so many questions, like why the hell he's even a part of this group, didn't he lose his fortune in DR1, etc. that I wouldn't really call it "convenient" at all. The only reason I've bought into it at this point is thinking about all the difficulties come up if you assume the opposite.
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melodicwaffle posted:Two can play that game. Don't apologize, this is awesome 
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Bifauxnen posted:Now I really want to pan back and forth across the courtroom to see the two halves of Monobear objecting to each other. The light side already has Phoenix's suit, so the evil side could be Manfred von Kuma.   
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I was so preoccupied with thinking about the latestplot developments that I completely forgot for a second that this happened:orenronen posted:
Hanamura's going all nosebleed sprite over Togami now? 
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But I am no average person. I am Byakuya Togami. And I can make it happen!
Kupiiii! This is so cool Ibuki’s going numb!!
Hoh hoh! I am in complete agreement!
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Bifauxnen posted:I was so preoccupied with thinking about the latestplot developments that I completely forgot for a second that this happened: Why wouldn't he? His mind is open and his interests are wide.
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melodicwaffle posted:Somehow the light Monobear is far more terrifying than the dark one. Those eyes, those empty, soulless eyes... Drawing me into a dark, endless void from which there is no escape, falling further and further... 
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Bifauxnen posted:I was so preoccupied with thinking about the latestplot developments that I completely forgot for a second that this happened: There was always a lot to love about Togami. Now there's much more!
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melodicwaffle posted:Two can play that game. 
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Haha, holy poo poo. This is the best string of fanart I've seen on top of an already fantastic update. It's a pretty obvious connection to make to the outfit, isn't it? I did the same thing when I first saw it. Is a blue jacket with a red tie something you would normally see in Manzai and the resemblance to our beloved ace attorney is purely coincidental, or might Spike have gone out of their way to invoke it?
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Some day, HelloWinter, we will find something you cannot do. But not today.
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Fedule posted:Some day, HelloWinter, we will find something you cannot do. And on that day, some amongst us will weep. Besides that, nice touch on Monobear's cardboard hair spikes, HelloWinter.
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HelloWinter posted:Man, I couldn't help it either. Gosh darn it. This is glorious. I love how Monobear has cardboard hair.
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HelloWinter posted:beauty It took me a second to figure out what the cardboard was, but when I did, I utterly lost it. Monomi's expression is perfect.
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Would those two guys in the kimonos with the weird wigs on MXC be considered a manzai? I remember the blue one always having a straight face and smacking the red one a lot.
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I swear I'm not jumping on the bandwagon! I was just way too slow. This is one of those pictures that I'm certain some Japanese guy has already drawn way better than I have.
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tiistai posted:I swear I'm not jumping on the bandwagon! I was just way too slow. That's pretty great! But why did you choose Nagito as the judge?
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QuarkJets posted:That's pretty great! But why did you choose Nagito as the judge? Possibly because he's easily intimidated or something along those lines. RefinedUndefined fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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