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myron cope posted:Can someone explain advanced stats to me (maybe like I'm a hockey novice)? Or link me to a site that will do so? Or should I not even bother Corsi is +/- for shots on goal. Fenwick is +/- for shots on goal plus other shots that don't make it. PDO is a way of measuring "puck luck." It is the shooting percentage of the player's team while the player is on the ice, added to the save percentage of the player's team while the player is on the ice. It should be around 1000. If it's lower than 1000, they're having bad luck and should improve. It's it's higher than 1000, they're having good luck and I expect them to do a bit worse. Zone Starts are how often the player starts in each zone. It gets more complicated from there. Here is a site that lists most of it: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php They also have further explanation.
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Low ice time/games played makes Corsi better, that's why Benn and Barch are near the top right?
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Zorkon posted:Some quick basics: Actually, Corsi is "all shots directed towards the net," or, shots on goal plus missed shots plus blocked shots. Fenwick operates on the assumption that since blocked shots are a repeatable skill, you could get a stronger measure by omitting them. Accordingly, Fenwick is shots on goal plus missed shots. PDO can also skew from 1000 over the course of a season with exceptionally either good or bad goaltending. Boston, for instance, had a ~1020 PDO for 10-11. Since we're in a shortened season, however, there isn't enough time for team shooting and save percentages to properly regress, so we might get some really wacky results. Eric T, who writes for NHL numbers and Broad Street Hockey, said that, based on puck luck, a middling, 8th seed caliber team could finish anywhere from 1st to 15th. e: And here is NHLNumbers' "reference library." For everything you could ever want in your mother's basement. Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Jan 29, 2013 23:34
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ElwoodCuse posted:The funny thing is Gordie only did it twice. Stan Mikita has the most with 67. Really the only statistic worth knowing. In this age of the specialized (read useless) brawler, this is truly a feat.
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The best part about the Mikita story is that the vast majority of those Gordie Howe hat tricks were in the first seven years of his career, as he eventually cleaned up his act. The way he tells it, his little girl was watching a Hawks game on TV and asked Stan's wife "Mommy, why is Daddy sitting down so much?". Stan kinda realized that he wasn't setting a good example for Chicagoland kids and decided to clean his poo poo up and take substantially fewer penalties. He was so successful at doing so that he won the Lady Byng twice in his career.
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Hope this is the right place to ask this - I'm in NYC when the Penguins are in town, and it'd be really neat to see the team I've casually followed from an oceans distance over the last 10 years. I'm with a friend who's not really a hockey fan but he seems happy to go to the game, but naturally I don't want him to spend a load of money on something he might not enjoy. So simple question - in MSG, is it worth getting cheap seats or will it just not be fun? Any blocks to particularly avoid? From what I can tell, I'm relying on stubhub for his, so I'm guessing tickets are priced a good chunk over the face value? I'm guessing maybe up to about $80 a ticket would be a rough spending estimate. If I'm being unrealistic just let me know! edit: Block 224 is $125/ticket row 10, more than I was planning but enjoyable seats? EL BROMANCE fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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The pHo posted:Hope this is the right place to ask this - I'm in NYC when the Penguins are in town, and it'd be really neat to see the team I've casually followed from an oceans distance over the last 10 years. I'm with a friend who's not really a hockey fan but he seems happy to go to the game, but naturally I don't want him to spend a load of money on something he might not enjoy. So simple question - in MSG, is it worth getting cheap seats or will it just not be fun? Any blocks to particularly avoid? From what I can tell, I'm relying on stubhub for his, so I'm guessing tickets are priced a good chunk over the face value? You might be better off asking in the N/V thread, I know there are a few STH for the Rangers that could probably give you advice, not sure if they check this thread though.
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Thanks, I'll repost over there.
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The pHo posted:Hope this is the right place to ask this - I'm in NYC when the Penguins are in town, and it'd be really neat to see the team I've casually followed from an oceans distance over the last 10 years. I'm with a friend who's not really a hockey fan but he seems happy to go to the game, but naturally I don't want him to spend a load of money on something he might not enjoy. So simple question - in MSG, is it worth getting cheap seats or will it just not be fun? Any blocks to particularly avoid? From what I can tell, I'm relying on stubhub for his, so I'm guessing tickets are priced a good chunk over the face value? I had tickets in the pre-renovation Garden from the middle of the upper bowl and they were perfectly fine. I was sitting in the nosebleeds for the Devils and Isles games and they were also good, especially considering the price. larkko fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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I don't think it's particularly friendly to advise someone who isn't an Islanders fan go to Nassau Coliseum. I mean have a heart, bro.
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Overwined posted:I don't think it's particularly friendly to advise someone who isn't an Islanders fan go to Nassau Coliseum. I mean have a heart, bro. Last year my wife and I went to Toronto and NYC for our honeymoon. We took a train to Long Island from NYC so I could see the Penguins play (that was the nearest place to where we were that they were playing in). I reaaaaally liked the Coliseum. No corporate bullshit at all, it was just a big arena with seats. And I loved it. We talked to a great bunch of people who seemed really interested in hearing about why we were there and how an Englishman got into hockey and whatnot. The Islanders fans were surprisingly nice until the Penguins got beat and then they gave it to us pretty hard but that's just part of going to a game. I'd heard they were real arseholes but they weren't at all.
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Largo LaForge posted:As another Euro who went to New York and caught a couple of hockey games, if watching the game in MSG isn't a priority, you could catch the Pens in New Jersey. Cheers man, I just checked the Pens schedule and out of the 4 games they're playing when I'm over 2 of them are home, 1 is at MSG and the other is away against the Hurricanes so looks like MSG is the only viable option. I'm already spending two evenings in Jersey so be nice to actually do something in the city I'm staying in! Sounds like the 200 seating should be good then, I've trawled the web looking for feedback and nobody seems to be saying they had a bad time. Thanks for the advice!
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Seemed like a load of the good and cheap tickets got picked up overnight, but did Row 6, 212 for $155 a ticket which my friend was cool with. Very much looking forward, the renovated MSG looks awesome.
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thehustler posted:I reaaaaally liked the Coliseum. No corporate bullshit at all, it was just a big arena with seats. And I loved it. I've been a Kings' fan for a long, long time. And, I miss the hell out of the Forum in Inglewood, even though it was built in the late '60s. Better sight lines, no bad seats, louder, less sterile ... just a great atmosphere for hockey. Staples is a fine place, but I'd rather watch a Kings' game at the Forum any day of the week.
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Zat posted:If the location in your profile is referring to Norway, your official solution is Viaplay. It's pretty pricey in Norway though. But it's way cheaper to use a proxy or VPN and get the American gamecenter. They are also considering showing NHL on viasat4.
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In the Pens/Rangers game the other night, the Rangers hit the post on what the amateur refs thought had to be a goal. Simon Despres then took a penalty before the play stopped. If they had looked at it and determined it was a goal, would the penalty still be in effect? Or would they move the clock back to the point of the goal and pretend any stuff after didn't happen? What if the Pens had scored?
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myron cope posted:In the Pens/Rangers game the other night, the Rangers hit the post on what the amateur refs thought had to be a goal. Simon Despres then took a penalty before the play stopped. If they had looked at it and determined it was a goal, would the penalty still be in effect? Or would they move the clock back to the point of the goal and pretend any stuff after didn't happen? What if the Pens had scored? If they review it and change the call, the time rolls back to when the goal was scored and anything that happened in the interim is wiped away from the face of time. I remember one sequence like this from forever ago, I think the Ducks were one of the teams. Someone shot it through the net and it wasn't called a goal, then there was a good couple minutes of play before the next whistle during which time the other team actually scored. Once they reviewed it, the first team got the goal, the second team had theirs taken off. Big swing that.
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I wanted to say thanks for helping me out getting used to the line change. I was really having a hard time keeping up with who was on the ice despite the announcers' best efforts. The tips have really helped me learn more about my team quicker. Which isn't really such a great thing since it's Columbus. But I bought NHL 13 to speed up the process to try and learn more about the rest of the teams. Before you laugh, when my friends got me into baseball by going to games and watching it all the time, I started playing MLB: The Show a lot and learned the who's who of the league pretty drat quick. So worst case scenario is I don't learn anything but still have some fun (even though I'm really, really bad at it so far).
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Robot Danger posted:I wanted to say thanks for helping me out getting used to the line change. I was really having a hard time keeping up with who was on the ice despite the announcers' best efforts. The tips have really helped me learn more about my team quicker. Which isn't really such a great thing since it's Columbus. The other thing to look at too, if you want to get into the game is to follow the NHL and have fun with it, but look into going to a high school or college game. Depending on where you are at, it is cheaper, and usually played in smaller buildings, which gets you closer to the ice, and, the game is slower. Good training in tracking the puck, and if you want, you can use it as teaching time- "this game, I am going to watch the bench, to see how they handle certain situations", "I'm going to focus on the goalie", whatever.
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Video games are probably the best way to learn the rules with the exception of playing actual hockey, combined with watching off course. Playing the EA Sports Hockey League mode is also a great way to learn the roles of each player type. Edit: Watching hockey live is the absolute best. I have more fun watching the Norwegian elite league live, than the NHL on TV. Anders fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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If you have friends in recreational or beer hockey leagues, definitely consider going to their games. If you're (un)lucky enough, they may ask you to run the scoreboard eventually!
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bewbies posted:If they review it and change the call, the time rolls back to when the goal was scored and anything that happened in the interim is wiped away from the face of time. I've never seen it with a penalty though. Like what if a guy got an intentional injury penalty or something? You can't really wipe that off.
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What's that little bag thing that ovechkin has over his arse? Doesn't seem to be something everyone wears
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thehustler posted:What's that little bag thing that ovechkin has over his arse? Doesn't seem to be something everyone wears That's part of the pants. Ovechkin tucks his jersey in back.
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On the note of penalties, Isles under Gordon I think exploited a rule where a Team couldnt return to full strength until a stoppage in play because the other team substituted a player to serve a penalty. What ensued was a 2 minute PP ending in time but not in manpower.
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Aphrodite posted:I've never seen it with a penalty though. Like what if a guy got an intentional injury penalty or something? You can't really wipe that off. Actually that's exactly what they do, regardless of the penalty. You can still get suspended or something but as far as the game goes that sequence of events didn't happen.
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Okposolypse posted:On the note of penalties, Isles under Gordon I think exploited a rule where a Team couldnt return to full strength until a stoppage in play because the other team substituted a player to serve a penalty. What ensued was a 2 minute PP ending in time but not in manpower. Can you explain this a different way please, my Limey brain is lost 
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thehustler posted:Can you explain this a different way please, my Limey brain is lost A penalty was called on the opposing team. The player serving it couldnt exit the box till a stoppage in play even though the time expired. Additionally nobody off the bench could enter the game for him. Isles avoided freezing the puck and steetched a man advantage past its expiration cause no stoppage meant no return to even steength. Ir was bizarre and Howie Rose had to figure it out on the fly IIRC because it was so bizarre and a play you never see. Also Im pretty sure it involved a substitution for who was serving it so they could keep thier guy as a PK option but Isles made that read and the teams gamble sort of cost them. Does anyone remember this? It was againsy a western conf team I think, want to say the Coyotes. Okposolypse fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Feb 3, 2013 |
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Anders posted:Video games are probably the best way to learn the rules with the exception of playing actual hockey, combined with watching off course. Playing the EA Sports Hockey League mode is also a great way to learn the roles of each player type. Yes, the EASHL is the best way to learn hockey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_bQQhtjjws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5E3lYaYPJ0  Live hockey is the best hockey. I go to a lot of AHL games and typically stick around after my beer league games to watch the other games (and drink).
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Bradf0rd posted:Yes, the EASHL is the best way to learn hockey: That just summed up Philly sports in general. I have tickets for the Columbus - LA game in a couple of days, so yay! What is the difference between a normal pass and a saucer pass?
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Robot Danger posted:That just summed up Philly sports in general. I have tickets for the Columbus - LA game in a couple of days, so yay! A saucer pass is a pass made in the air rather than on the ice.
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A backhand cross ice saucer pass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEvAVlQ_Tfc
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The name is derived from flying saucer. There's also specific techniques for it. It's not simply any pass made in the air. The aim is for the puck to land flat. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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Overwined posted:A saucer pass is a pass made in the air rather than on the ice. nature6pk posted:A backhand cross ice saucer pass Aphrodite posted:The name is derived from flying saucer. I was always lead to believe that a saucer pass stays flat in the air and only spins, not flips like the Sedin pass.
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Yeah, on a saucer pass you almost cut at the pack rather than cradle it to keep it flat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TOJGv84qjA&t=190s You also start the puck on the heel rather than the toe.
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That's a good pass because Henrik almost gets Daniel killed
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Yeah, that's where the name comes from. It spins through the air like a flying saucer and lands flat. Sometimes people call any pass through the air a saucer, though.
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That was reasonably saucer shaped for a 50 foot pass, c'mon. Also it was an excuse to repost it.
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Okposolypse posted:A penalty was called on the opposing team. The player serving it couldnt exit the box till a stoppage in play even though the time expired. Additionally nobody off the bench could enter the game for him. Isles avoided freezing the puck and steetched a man advantage past its expiration cause no stoppage meant no return to even steength. Ir was bizarre and Howie Rose had to figure it out on the fly IIRC because it was so bizarre and a play you never see. I remember this happening against the Devils. Pretty sure it was a goalie penalty and the Isles got almost an extra minute of man advantage.
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bewbies posted:Actually that's exactly what they do, regardless of the penalty. You can still get suspended or something but as far as the game goes that sequence of events didn't happen. Nope. Rule 78.6. quote:Any penalties signaled during the period of time between the apparent goal and the next stoppage of play shall be assessed in the normal manner, except when a minor penalty is to be assessed to the team scored upon, and is therefore nullified by the scoring of the goal. A couple years ago for the Penguins, Sergei Gonchar scored a goal on a slap shot from the point. However, the puck came right back out so the refs assumed it hit the post. The rebound went straight to Alex Ponikarovsky of the Leafs, who got a breakaway. Gonchar hauled him down and the refs were going to award a penalty shot until they noticed on replay that the original shot was a goal, not a post. Rule 78.6 also says "Only one goal can be awarded at any stoppage of play" so they changed a the penalty shot to a minor penalty. So according the box score, Gonchar scored a goal and took a penalty at the exact same time.
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