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Miltank posted:Every single NFL team is one of the top 50 most profitable sports franchises in the world. They do split all the money, but that doesn't mean that any one team isn't extremely profitable by itself. Take out the money that states and localities cough up to sponsor them and all of a sudden that isn't the case so much. I'm still all for them turning their brains to mush, it's what we pay them for. I wouldn't spend a loving dime to see "safe football", it's only interesting because you know they are being killed in a slow fashion. Safe football would be about as interesting as curling, and they should be paid as much for it (read not a drat thing).
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SilentD posted:I'm still all for them turning their brains to mush, it's what we pay them for. I wouldn't spend a loving dime to see "safe football", it's only interesting because you know they are being killed in a slow fashion. Safe football would be about as interesting as curling, and they should be paid as much for it (read not a drat thing). As SilentD watches another player stumbling off the field from a traumatic head to head collision, he thinks to himself, "A few more of those and I will finally have someone else at my intellectual level to talk to."
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ThirdPartyView posted:Napolitano was a Superior Court judge in NJ so I'm not sure what's with the "Judge"? So, President Clinton and Speaker Gingrich are incorrect, but Representative Paul or Justice Rhenquist would be correct.
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Former governors, Presidents, etc. are sometimes referred to by their public office title (see "Governor Romney" during the Presidential debates, for example).
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However much the players are making, the owners are making more. Much more. The players are being paid high salaries because they are helping to create an entertainment product that has incredibly high wealth creation potential. It's a complicated question, really- they know the risks when they sign up and are making quite a bit of money, but should we really be taking such a cavalier attitude towards head injuries? I know I have a hard time just saying "Eh, gently caress 'em." Don't mean to cause a derail or anything so I'll stop.
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So you guys think Fox will really drop Dick Morris?
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SilentD posted:Take out the money that states and localities cough up to sponsor them and all of a sudden that isn't the case so much. Considering you literally embrace the allure of blood sport, do you think we should stop at people turning their brains to mush or can the idea be expanded upon? Because obviously it would be insane for people to just collectively decide football is one of our social enemies and not some Flash Gordon vicarious lifestyle engendering values like leadership and having sweet muscles? I mean I know you can't just point a finger at people and say "stop liking this massive and widely embraced cultural institution, because X" where X is a reasonable appeal to the kinder angels of the soul.
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I realize the irony of saying this in the right wing media thread, but if you respond and engage him, it only validates the gimmick.
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SilentD posted:I'm still all for them turning their brains to mush, it's what we pay them for. I wouldn't spend a loving dime to see "safe football", it's only interesting because you know they are being killed in a slow fashion. Safe football would be about as interesting as curling, and they should be paid as much for it (read not a drat thing). I played college football and it would be impossible to get to that level, never mind the NFL, without knowing that football very often results in terrible injuries and lots of concussions. We would have 15 people on our team at any given time unable to practice or play due to injuries. I miraculously made it through without ever getting hurt and I thought I was in the clear but now this stuff about CTE has me worried. With concussions or knee injuries or something you can choose to stop playing if the problem gets too bad, but with CTE there is absolutely no way to know if the damage is being done. They're only in the early stages of developing a way to screen for it without having to physically cut apart the brain. If it turns out that this occurs in a large percentage of players I think there will be a dramatic reduction in the amount of kids playing football and the sport will eventually go the way of boxing.
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So I guess the monopoly board game changed out the iron piece to a cat and this is a big thing to some. What it's caused is a trending hash tag in the US for #liberalmonopolypieces. It's fully of "god loving" posting exactly what you think they would. I can't stop rolling my eyes. Not sure how to link to trending hashtags but maybe this works? https://twitter.com/search?q=%23LiberalMonopolyPieces&src=hash
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A lot of those are obviously terrible/unfunny/dog whistle racist, but even a broken hash tag can produce a decent joke:quote:#LiberalMonopolyPieces a sleeping bag #OccupyBoardwalk
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Boxman posted:A lot of those are obviously terrible/unfunny/dog whistle racist, but even a broken hash tag can produce a decent joke: Totally. There's obama phones, foodstamps, unemployment(handouts). That one always ticks me off. Because you know working for a corporation and getting laid off without any cause into a brutal job market means I need to starve and die. But hey! you love god! @dawnkennedy2 "#ICouldHaveBeenADemocratBut I like to research and then make reasonable decisions based on the facts." @MoneyMyPassion #LiberalMonopolyPieces Every slot on the board is either public housing, federal land, or a gun free zone @LadyInTheSticks #LiberalMonopolyPieces gun - only the President may use this piece. Any other player using it will be jailed indefinitely w no due process Do these people never step outside? Do they never realize that their life is not everyone else's? That there are things totaly stacked against others - who are just as country gun loving as them?
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Lord Lambeth posted:You should also point out that ex-Football players and ex-Hockey players are hitting their mid-life crisis with severe head trauma. With 20 odd years of getting smacked around I'd want as big a salary as possible. They don't care. I point that out as one of the main reasons I support the players getting all they can while they can. Getting your brains bashed in every Sunday and always being one wrong step away from being permanently crippled should entitle you to every dime you can earn. I think people think with all those millions you can just buy a new brain/knee/spine/whatever. SilentD posted:I have no pitty for them, they make millions. But if you want to stir the pot you should point out that football only exists because it's socialism (only a few teams actually make enough to exist on their own, the NFL is socialism) and they are unionized to get those high payments. To boot, it's only due to government subsidies their stadiums even exist. Football is nothing more than a government paid for, union run, socialist organization. I sort of agree, and I'm sorry for the derail, but my point is that the conservative free-market types I talk to think they're overpaid and resent their wealth for playing a (very dangerous) game. Class envy/warfare if you will. I was pointing out their hypocrisy. I enjoy football and boxing and stuff like that, but I don't go around touting the free market all the time and then saying that people who participate in these sports are overpaid. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Feb 6, 2013 20:06
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Dick "I took a mudslide all over my Face" Morris - you will (not) be missed.
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SilentD posted:Take out the money that states and localities cough up to sponsor them and all of a sudden that isn't the case so much. Have I got the sport for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxm3Z7s5ZI
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Pew Poll: Fox News Most, Least Trusted News Outlet This line sums things up rather nicely: quote:We find once again this year that Democrats trust everything except Fox, and Republicans don't trust anything other than Fox.
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Crasscrab posted:So you guys think Fox will really drop Dick Morris? I don't know, maybe we can make more stupid jokes about it for the next eight weeks since everyone is writing off doing anything else ever again since the election.
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LP97S posted:I don't know, maybe we can make more stupid jokes about it for the next eight weeks since everyone is writing off doing anything else ever again since the election. What are you talking about? Mitchicon posted:What do you even mean by this? Yeah. What do you mean, LP97S? edit: I want to say one more thing about this sports/athletes thing and then let it go because it's derailing things, but the main thing I was trying to point out by bringing it up is that the same people who worship at the feet of the rich and the "job creators", the people who think that the wealthy are overtaxed, that they should get to keep all of their money and that the measure of a person is determined by their wealth, seem to make peculiar, contradictory and hypocritical objections whenever that rich person is an athlete, a musician, an artist or an actor instead of a land developer, an oil driller or a venture capitalist. All of a sudden, in their minds, those people aren't deserving of their wealth for some reason. It's easy to say it's because of race, at least in the case of pro sports, but it doesn't explain their contempt for people like Bono, Sean Penn, Johnny Depp, Natalie Maines and...poo poo...I dunno...Sting, Sheryl Crow or someone like that. They seem to be all for salary caps, re-distribution and censorship whenever someone they hate is rich. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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LP97S posted:I don't know, maybe we can make more stupid jokes about it for the next eight weeks since everyone is writing off doing anything else ever again since the election. What do you even mean by this?
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BiggerBoat posted:What are you talking about? They'd probably make an argument that businessmen drive the country and create jobs and blah blah blah while actors, musicians, and athletes just collect their wealth for something unworthy. Maybe throw in something about them corrupting the country with profane films and bad role models and illuminati satanism or something like that. This would of course be a lie because there are entire industries built around those musicians, athletes, and actors with the same "trickle down" affect of business men. And of course its just that those rich guys tend to be liberals and when liberal celebrities voice a opinion they suck. It's just blatant hypocrisy and they don't care.
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It's gotten so bad that you can physically see the looks of disgust and contempt on the faces of their presenters when they're made to say something patently untrue by management. Do bear in mind that this minor show of conscience doesn't detract from the fact that they've basically sold their souls to the devil to obtain mega $$$ and success. To me these moments are like watching horror zombies briefly recall in their dusty rotted memories that they had loving families, before they go back to snacking on human brains. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Mitchicon posted:What do you even mean by this? I just think it seems pretty foolish to see people laughing off the Republicans in so many thread. Never underestimate spite, apathy, and hypocrites.
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STAC Goat posted:They'd probably make an argument that businessmen drive the country and create jobs and blah blah blah while actors, musicians, and athletes just collect their wealth for something unworthy. Maybe throw in something about them corrupting the country with profane films and bad role models and illuminati satanism or something like that. This would of course be a lie because there are entire industries built around those musicians, athletes, and actors with the same "trickle down" affect of business men. And of course its just that those rich guys tend to be liberals and when liberal celebrities voice a opinion they suck. It's just blatant hypocrisy and they don't care. Well, that's it, isn't it? Plus: artists, musicians, actors and athletes have, for the most part, had to work WAAAAYYYY harder for their dimes than shitheads like Mitt Romney or George W. Bush. Those same people complaining about the exorbitant salaries those sorts of people earn watch the NFL every Sunday, watch hours of movies and God only knows how much (country) music they listen to. Never even mind how many celebrity gossip rags, like People, US and grocery store checkout papers they follow. I seriously doubt most hardcore liberals read or buy that sort of poo poo at all, or even care what Alec Baldin thinks from day to day. Speaking of music, I had Andy Dean on a minute ago and he was playing "Can't Stop" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who I'm pretty sure are anything but conservative. Their use of theme music pisses me off no end. From Springsteen, to Prince, The Pretenders and Rage Against the Machine. Stop ruining good songs, conservative radio hosts. Make your own loving music. Or at least steal crap from assholes like Ted Nugent and Kid Rock. STAC Goat posted:They'd probably make an argument that businessmen drive the country and create jobs and blah blah blah while actors, musicians, and athletes just collect their wealth for something unworthy. Maybe throw in something about them corrupting the country with profane films and bad role models and illuminati satanism or something like that. This would of course be a lie because there are entire industries built around those musicians, athletes, and actors with the same "trickle down" affect of business men. And of course its just that those rich guys tend to be liberals and when liberal celebrities voice a opinion they suck. It's just blatant hypocrisy and they don't care. But that's dumb. Forget for a second how hard you have to work to make it as an actor, athlete, musician or anything else that involves selling only half of your soul, don't those rich athletes, artists, etc. "create jobs" too? People have to set up/clean the arena, mow and tend to the grass on the field, build the stadium, generate ads and promotion, design posters, man the parking lot, collect garbage, etc., right? Or is the only person worthy of praise the one at The Very Top? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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"Without the owners taking risks there wouldn't even be a league" is a very common argument in the comments sections of articles about sports lockouts. Never mind that a sports team is never the primary business of the owner and never a loving risk to lose money over 5-10 years.
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nachos posted:"Without the owners taking risks there wouldn't even be a league" is a very common argument in the comments sections of articles about sports lockouts. Never mind that a sports team is never the primary business of the owner and never a loving risk to lose money over 5-10 years. How in the hell would the Bobcats ever survive without the steely hand and business acumen of Michael Jordan at the helm?
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Aatrek posted:Huffington Post is terrible, but you've got to give them credit for this one: What is a good news source that doesn't have a ridiculous slant to it? I read HuffPo sometimes, but I get tired of the liberal cheerleading.
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HuffPo: Come for the sideboob clickbait, stay for the liberal cheerleading and dubious medical advice.
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BiggerBoat posted:Speaking of music, I had Andy Dean on a minute ago and he was playing "Can't Stop" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, who I'm pretty sure are anything but conservative. Their use of theme music pisses me off no end. From Springsteen, to Prince, The Pretenders and Rage Against the Machine. I love the fact that Michael Savage's intro starts out with Metallica's "Master of Puppets". Not too subtle eh? Anyone know how long he's been doing it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpakey1fb2s Edit: Heh, those explosions are new since I've listened to him. The song used to play through that portion.
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Mitchicon posted:What is a good news source that doesn't have a ridiculous slant to it? I read HuffPo sometimes, but I get tired of the liberal cheerleading. HuffPo's health section is the absolute worst. They're always pushing pseudoscience poo poo and natural cures bullshit.
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watt par posted:HuffPo: Come for the sideboob clickbait, stay for the liberal cheerleading and dubious medical advice. This is my weakness. 
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:I love the fact that Michael Savage's intro starts out with Metallica's "Master of Puppets". Not too subtle eh? Anyone know how long he's been doing it? At least since 2004, I believe. I have to say, Savage is probably my "favorite" talk-radio nutjob... I love how one one minute he'll be on some transparently fascist rant, then the next minute telling a sweet story about his little dog.
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Mitchicon posted:This is my weakness. And if you ever get tired of liberalism, the Daily Mail has you covered!
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ReindeerF posted:There was a segment on this on some podcast last week. Apparently, the rule is that if you had a position that many people held at once you retain your title, but if you held a position that only one person holds at a time, you don't. I'm sorry, but either you mis-heard or the speaker was just pulling it out of their rear end cause literally the opposite is true. That information is 100% wrong. We honor people's titles based on rarity, i.e. it's never ex-President, you're always former President or just President. You're always a senator, but once you're out of the House, it's proper to drop the house title and re-assume your civilian title. To use your examples: It's always President Clinton It's always Justice Rhenquist (also because the position is given for life), also it's technically Mr. Chief Justice Rhenquist, but I digress. It's never Speaker Gingrich because he was just a rep, even if he was speaker, he resumes being Dr. Gingrich. It's never Rep. Paul once he's out of the House, just Dr. Paul.
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Mitchicon posted:What is a good news source that doesn't have a ridiculous slant to it? I read HuffPo sometimes, but I get tired of the liberal cheerleading. Going back to the fake photo of the fake President faking shooting a fake gun and wearing a fake watch, I found it amusing that they mention the Barack's Watch site. Go there and, lo and behold, one of the first things you see is a quote from a magazine article saying: GQ posted:With impeccable timing, watch maker Jorg Gray is storming the fashion industry after President Obama was seen wearing its sporty black chronograph, a gift from his security detail, in place of his usual TAG Heuer. 
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MC Nietzche posted:I'm sorry, but either you mis-heard or the speaker was just pulling it out of their rear end cause literally the opposite is true. That information is 100% wrong. We honor people's titles based on rarity, i.e. it's never ex-President, you're always former President or just President. You're always a senator, but once you're out of the House, it's proper to drop the house title and re-assume your civilian title. Former Presidents: http://www.formsofaddress.info/FOA_president_US_former.html Former Justices (as I said): http://www.formsofaddress.info/Assoc_Justice_US.html Here's the quoted logic: http://www.formsofaddress.info/former.html#FO003 quote:This is the traditional approach for any office of which there is only one office-holder at a time. So, with officials such as mayors, governors or presidents ... only the current office holder is addressed as Mr. Mayor, Governor, or Mr. President ... formers are not addressed that way. 
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This might sound a bit tinfoily, but does anyone have any info or links on documented cases where Right Wing Media is following a script, and if so, where that script came from? We've all no doubt noticed how dutifully all the Right Wing media falls in line with whatever the talking points of the day - Skeetergate being but the most recent example. Is this simply organic? They're all naturally followers, so if Rush leads with something, they all fall in line? I could see an organic distribution channel of Drudge - Rush - Fox - to the rest of them, and this could be entirely organic. Or it could not. When Fox News made "You didn't build that" a week long talking point, it was in synch with Romney campaign that was doing the same. So, is there a centralized source for this? Is it Fox? Some Think Tank? Some dude in the Fortress of Doom? I recall a few years back the Wingers went nuts because it was discovered there was a "liberal" email list that many reporters were on, thereby "proving" in their mind the grand, Soros funded conspiracy. While I doubt that is true, I wouldn't be surprised at all at further Republican projection and this is something they are actively engaged in.
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redshirt posted:This might sound a bit tinfoily, but does anyone have any info or links on documented cases where Right Wing Media is following a script, and if so, where that script came from? http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/i-can-t-believe-it-got-better- The talking points come from the various spin doctors - the RNC and the Frank Luntz types.
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Mitchicon posted:What is a good news source that doesn't have a ridiculous slant to it? I read HuffPo sometimes, but I get tired of the liberal cheerleading. I tend to read Propublica, MoJo, and Al Jazeera. Out of those three I'd say maybe AJ has what you may deem to be a 'ridiculous' slant, and even then they're still pretty critical of liberals when they misbehave. Propublica and MoJo both do some excellent investigative journalism. Also, their day to day news articles, while some may toe the line depending on the author, tend to be quite objective.
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ReindeerF posted:I had the logic backward on Representatives, that's right, but your wisdom on former Presidents and Chief Justices is wrong. A former president is not President anything because any office that can have only one office holder can be the only person to hold that title. You're completely wrong on that. Fascinating, thanks for the correction.
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Aatrek posted:Huffington Post is terrible, but you've got to give them credit for this one: I had to get away from HuffPo because they're SO liberal. I'm liberal on just about every issue, but they're hardcore bleeding-heart and it's about as hard for me to read as Fox News. I also have a big issue with their format of "DRAMATIC FRONT PAGE ARTICLE TITLE IN BOLD BLOCK LETTERING ON WHITE BACKGROUND!!!!". It just got to me after a while. If I want my news now, I generally go to talkingpointsmemo. edit: Their titles are also usually very misleading, and that irritated the piss out of me.
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