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Deleuzionist posted:In the light of the above and of the leaked local national socialist organization's membership applications and the furious storm of denial they caused when the applicants were questioned about their activities, I'm lead to assume that generally nazis don't know nazis, nazi symbolism or nazi organizations and they can't recognize them, which leads them to accidentally join these organizations and copiously use a salute that according to them 'just seemed cool' as well as racist and racialist language because they totally didn't realize it was discriminating. It's all a misunderstanding really.  http://imgur.com/gallery/H0p0Ig9?no-script=true First comment: quote:They are a scout sniper group, they used the SS as reference to Scout Sniper. They say it isn't meant as anything racist
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Bohemian Nights posted:Speaking of comics, anyone remember Prez?  zoux posted:White people in the artforms of the people they were there to exploit/enslave/colonize:  quote:The Country of Da Qin, is where western businessmen are gathering. The king wraps his head by cloth in pyramid shape. This land produces coral, gold, brocade with pattern, silk cloth (without pattern), pearls, etc.
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Joementum posted:Biden arriving in Rome. A man who's watched "The Godfather" A few times. 
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Apparently my local police beat up some drunken college kids during a St Patrick's Day festival yesterday and someone managed to catch most of it on video. This is in Richmond, VA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARUcC8L8Q84 It starts off fairly low-key but something sets one of the officers off around 2:20 and begins a three-on-one brawl that ends up fairly brutal.
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Deleuzionist posted:Love the ratty, frizzled hair. Did you just call white people ratty headed hoes??? Reverse racism....  George Wallace posted:"It is very appropriate that from this cradle of the Confederacy, this very heart of the great Anglo-Saxon Southland, that today we sound the drum for freedom as have our generations of forebears before us time and again down through history. Let us rise to the call for freedom-loving blood that is in us and send our answer to the tyranny that clanks its chains upon the South. In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
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Deleuzionist posted:Sure I believe you footballbro, just like I believe kickboxerbro here Also note the SS skull on his arm. I guess he was worried that the other two prominent Nazi symbols weren't recognizable enough. 
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WHEEZY KISS A DUDE posted:Apparently my local police beat up some drunken college kids during a St Patrick's Day festival yesterday and someone managed to catch most of it on video. This is in Richmond, VA. Holy poo poo that video reflects poorly on literally everyone in it. Some drunk guy dared to talk to poke a cop's shoulder and then get into his face, which is apparently sufficient provocation to grab him by the throat and body-slam him into a wall. Later when the guy is being peeled off the cement he makes a comment that is apparently sufficient for one of the female cops to grab his throat again, because hey, sassing a cop has consequences. Literally everyone doing that recording think its hilarious. Several people can be heard shouting "taz him" before the conflict begins. Afterwards the person doing the recording is gushing about what a cool sounvenier they now have. One person brings up police brutality, but only after saying "he probably deserved it." Meanwhile, all the top voted comments on youtube are saying the officers didn't go far enough.  Theen again, when the same kinds of people who do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaitSh17Ck in other countries are being given signing bonuses to become cops, its hardly surprising that the cops would think its acceptable to beat somebody for resisting them in front of multiple cameras.
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Earth posted:Good job CNN! Honestly I'm glad the victim was anonymous because otherwise CNN would probably have had even more insensitive coverage. Still, super hosed up.  A protester in Sanabis, Bahrain, was engulfed in flames when a shot fired by a police officer hit a gasoline bomb in his hand during clashes between antigovernment demonstrators and security forces.
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WHEEZY KISS A DUDE posted:Apparently my local police beat up some drunken college kids during a St Patrick's Day festival yesterday and someone managed to catch most of it on video. This is in Richmond, VA. That made me sick to my stomach. I was hoping that the crowd would just go in on those cops and start cracking their goddamn skulls in the name of equality of arms, especially seeing as how the force used in this case presupposes the guy's guilt in something that justifies it. unrelated:  e: yeah gently caress off to the people that are justifying that poo poo. The police officers have a higher sense of responsbility, the so-called Garantenstellung and they are tied to an obligation of solving situations like this by taking into account the subsidiarity and proportionality of their actions. If they are unable to detain one guy with 4 loving people without resorting to having to basically beat this guy up, smash him into a window, beat him with a loving baton and putting him in a half nelson then they shouldn't be cops. SSJ2 Goku Wilders fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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OWS, love it or hate it, did expose terrifying amounts of police brutality, and the good deal of Americans seemed pleased that police were finally cracking some skulls open to get rid of these drat drum circles. That's basically where we're currently at as a society. I mean look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QngE6kKk8Lg The police can turn a city into a war zone and the response is "meh". I doubt there would've even been the mass protests the next week had Scott Olsen not been a marine and been almost killed by "non lethal force"
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zoux posted:White people in the artforms of the people they were there to exploit/enslave/colonize: My favorite along those lines is this image of Commodore Perry's Black Ship  Apparently they have a black ship festival to celebrate the gunboat diplomacy at Shimoda. http://izu-sakuraya.jp/english/travelinfo/blackshipfestival/
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Earth posted:In case you're wondering this sure looks more like a police officer who pushed a guy back who shouldn't have been there and touching the police officer in the first place then the guy doing the stupid loving thing of retaliating. The outcome is detaining a violent drunk who looks to be about 6'6" and 200 lbs of muscle. No easy task. Surprise! Turns out it's not smart to assault police officers with a group of them around and a bunch of drunks also around. Sorry but when do you see this assault taking place? Do you mean the guy poking the officers shoulder with a single finger? Or do you mean after the guy had been body slammed into glass for daring to touch a police officer who was detaining your friend? How about afterwards when the guy is on the ground with two people on him and another cop uses a baton to hit his legs, or when the female cop grabs his neck again after he is detained because he said something she didn't like? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6T_T-bRwDY 
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Xandu posted:Honestly I'm glad the victim was anonymous because otherwise CNN would probably have had even more insensitive coverage. Still, super hosed up. Knowing CNN they would have had a viewer poll. "Would you rape this drunk 16 year old girl? Text YES to 39234 or NO to 39235. Or Tweet us at #CNNrape"  Belgian coal miners descending into mines on an elevator, circa 1900.
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Xandu posted:Honestly I'm glad the victim was anonymous because otherwise CNN would probably have had even more insensitive coverage. Still, super hosed up. Thankfully, FOX is even shittier than CNN http://www.alternet.org/media/fox-news-airs-name-16-year-old-steubenville-rape-victim pic: 
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Earth posted:In case you're wondering this sure looks more like a police officer who pushed a guy back who shouldn't have been there and touching the police officer in the first place then the guy doing the stupid loving thing of retaliating. Actually, it looks like a police officer pushing a guy back and then attacking him for no reason, instead of just holding him back. "the hunter with today’s catch" - William Odman 
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SombreroAgnew posted:Prez Rickard was no Max Frost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmeTftBlOVY
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ekuNNN posted:Actually, it looks like a police officer pushing a guy back and then attacking him for no reason, instead of just holding him back. Seriously, and holding him back by putting his hand around his throat on top of it. 
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Amused to Death posted:Seriously, and holding him back by putting his hand around his throat on top of it. Apparently they teach choking (or choke-slamming) at the academy, because that's not the first time I've seen it used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PIzc6qDnh8 It looks like one of those "less than lethal" techniques that can very easily kill someone even if performed properly. Re: the Richmond video, I agree with Helsing that pretty much everyone in the video came off terribly.
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If you want to get mad about excessive force, here are some mallcops in Calgary playing pretend-police and probably committing assault because:Alberta Basic Security Training Manual posted:The most important rule about the use of force in your role as a security professional is to avoid it as much as possible. And yes, there's a really stupid intro/outro that you should ignore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcQ6tF4Gc5Q
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Earth posted:Are you people honestly going to tell me that you don't see a difference between police response to a group of violent drunks verses generally peaceful protesters who are working against the status quo? Some kind of enforcement of just laws in necessary for a functioning society. You agree with that statement, right? Can you explain how the actual victim was being violent until thirty seconds or so into the assault against him? And evne then, can you point to him doing anything other than trying to free him arms and push back against the multiple people beating and grabbing him? quote:Ohhhhhhhh, you're one of those people, an idiot. Some people are huge, strong men and violent to boot. It's going to take some technology or a large number of people to bring them down. Would you have preferred this guy got tazed? Shot? Pepper Sprayed? Stabbed? I suspect, since it's already been determined that you're an idiot, your recommendation would have been to let this guy go. Also, you should watch the movie Bronson. It's a fun flick. So because there are big strong violent men in the world the police should be free to assault someone who dares to talk back to them? quote:I've figured it out, you guys are naive idealists. There are people in the world who are violent and will only respond to a stronger force. And yes, I think it was stupid to approach a police office and even more loving retarded touch one in an environment like that. The fact that guy who got arrested retaliated to a police office pushing him back was the mistake, and there were the consequences of everybody subduing him because he was a large, strong man. No you're a naive idealist who assumes you can fit any situation into your preconeived notions of the world. You're seeing exactly what you want to see in that video, and likewise your seeing exactly what you want to see in the arguments being raised against you. Public order isn't served by having the cops act like a goonsquad who feel comfortable assaulting private citizens without provocation. Dealing with mentally ill people, drunks, addicts and other problematic individuals is a major part of a police officers mandate, and its crucial that they discharge this duty in the proper fashion. That means holding them to a reasonable standard of conduct. Honestly I feel like maybe we are somehow watching a different video. Can you explain your understanding of this sequence of events to me? Screen cap at 2:24. Dude tries to get officers attention.  Screen cap at 2:26 - Officer turns and listens to man.  Screen cap at 2:31. Dude is arguing with officer, pointing at his drunken friend (its much clearer in the actual video that the guys arm is pointing past the cop, not in any way touching him.)  Screen cap at 2:32. Officer slams guy in the throat with his forearm, because hey, that's what you get for not immediately obeying a cop.  Another screen cap at 2:32. Guy has been shoved back. He continues to speak with Officer but doesn't make any kind of lunge or movement.  At 2:33 you see the officer grabbing the guy again. There's no question who is standing still and who is initiating.  (Hard to make it out from the stills but on the video at 2:34 you very clearly see the Officer throwing a body shot at the guy as he is ramming him into the glass. At 2:35 you can see the officer slamming the guy into the wall.  At 2:36  At 2:39  Its only after the 2:50 in the video that the guy does start ineffectually pushing back as the two cops assault him. You might argue that after being punched, body slammed and grabbed by two people that it would be hard not to push back against the multiple people beating you. Are you saying that because the guy was "stupid" he deserves to be assaulted? Or are you saying that this is acceptable police conduct? Or both? I really can't tell if you're basic point is "poo poo happens" or if your basic point is "police need to be able to beat people on the thinnest of provocations because otherwise we won't be able to maintain public order"?
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Can't you guys make a new thread for this argument or something e: with those arms, it's kind of obvious he hasn't Pacra fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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So I guess the guy's attempts to resist being pulled to the ground following his assault are a retroactive justification for his having already been assaulted by the police? That's your story and you are sticking with it?Earth posted:It's cute that you call me the naive one when you guys are overwhelmingly specifically responding that the officer was in the wrong. Considering this board I would say that's not surprising at all considering you are trying to fulfill your preconceived notions of the world. Karl Rove, is that you? Accuse your adversaries of your weaknesses, right? Right? Have you actually watched the video? The cop assaults the guy twice before the guy has even touched the cop. First the cop choke slams him, then when the guy takes a couple steps back and tries to say something else the cop choke-slams him into the glass. I seriously don't understand what loving version of the video you are watching where the guy somehow manages to 'assault' the officer prior to this point. God forbid that we expect cops to keep their cool and not escalate a situation by slamming somebody who hasn't actually committed any crimes in the neck with their forearm. That'd just be naive of us to expect, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuohshG_9LU
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Haha, way to not only completely ignore Helsing,(while pretending to be the reasonable one and calling people naive for some reason) but then end the conversion after making your point. Getting away from the recent derail defending police brutality, there was a comic posted in the Political Cartoons thread about dealing with Race which was published in the 50's. Here is the letter pages from that.   VVV Wasnt that also the symbol of the Christian Roman Empire? Maybe he didn't realize they overlap? CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Pacra posted:Can't you guys make a new thread for this argument or something Sorry if that wandered into derail territory, I just rarely get the chance to actually talk to someone who has seen the exact same video as me and drawn an opposite conclusion, and there's something kinda fascinating about talking to someone who appears to literally be describing another reality than the one you just witnessed (i.e. a world where the guy assaulted the cop first). quote:If we're gonna talk CPAC tattoos then we cannot leave out this "religious" one:  Maybe somebody recognizes that symbol and can explain some nuance that I'm missing, but that sure looks a lot like the fasces - a stylized bundle of sticks wrapped around an ax, representing the unity of the state - the symbol that gave fascism its name. Strictly speaking it isn't an exclusively fascist symbol and it was a popular symbol for minting coins or stamps a century or so ago, but its still really strange to see it tattooed onto the skin of a young conservative.
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Helsing posted:Sorry if that wandered into derail territory, I just rarely get the chance to actually talk to someone who has seen the exact same video as me and drawn an opposite conclusion, and there's something kinda fascinating about talking to someone who appears to literally be describing another reality than the one you just witnessed (i.e. a world where the guy assaulted the cop first). The Chi Rho  is quote:one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by some Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters chi and rho (ΧΡ) of the Greek word "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ" =Christ in such a way to produce the monogram. Although not technically a Christian cross, the Chi-Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as symbolizing his status as the Christ.
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Nah, it's all Greek. "Christ, the Alpha and Omega". EDIT: Beaten like Christ in the Passion.
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Thanks guys, that was an incredibly fast answer to my question. In fairness, there is some similarity between the symbols: 
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Fasces were a symbol of authority for Roman Consuls. Fascists draw their name from them, but their use as symbols predates the 20th century ideology. They appear on the walls of the United States senate and the back of the dime.   
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Ho Chi Mint posted:Fasces were a symbol of authority for Roman Consuls. Fascists draw their name from them, but their use as symbols predates the 20th century ideology. On the far left of the above image is the Mace of the House of Representatives, which also uses fasces symbolism (bundle of reeds). It's used by the Sargeant-at-arms of the House to "maintain order", by standing and holding the mace between belligerent representatives in order to shame them. It's basically the "time-out stick" of congress. 
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Helsing posted:Sorry if that wandered into derail territory, I just rarely get the chance to actually talk to someone who has seen the exact same video as me and drawn an opposite conclusion, and there's something kinda fascinating about talking to someone who appears to literally be describing another reality than the one you just witnessed (i.e. a world where the guy assaulted the cop first). That's a Chi Rho. An old Catholic symbol. It's often seen flanked by the Greek letters "Alpha" and "Omega", as seen in the tattoo.  edit: Late to the party.
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