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Cream_Filling posted:Maybe they'll downsize the next (or rather next-next) Commodore to ride on it, because otherwise, it looks like it'll transition to FWD/AWD as is rumored (though Commodore rumors are a dime a dozen and probably even GM is not quite sure what to do that far in the future). The plan for the Commodore is, to my understanding: 1) GM bitches about how expensive it is, how it's a limited market vehicle and how they totally want to shut down the Commodore line, 2) Australian federal/state governments fork over a truckload of money to keep the plant open, 3) A new Commodore arrives! 4) Go back to 1 after six or seven years.
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bull3964 posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, the government needs to get behind telecommuting in a big way and offer big incentives to companies to allow it. This would certainly be more effective at reducing oil consumption than CAFE, where just making a vehicle flex-fuel capable gets you a significant kicker to the CAFE-rated MPG.
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Jeez, the front and rear are much more exciting than the middle. I wonder if that's why they got leaked first.
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Oh my... Ok, I liked the CTS when it first came out, but this may be the first (modern) Caddy I've actually fallen in love with on looks alone. Am I... am I catching the Domestic bug?
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kimbo305 posted:Jeez, the front and rear are much more exciting than the middle. I wonder if that's why they got leaked first. Eh screw that, I hate excessive character lines. Give me a '67 Continental over a CLS any day. That CTS is hotasfukk. It's like every redesign, they slowly evolve ever closer to their ultimate form, the Cadillac Sixteen:  And its more modern cousin, the Ciel: 
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kimbo305 posted:Jeez, the front and rear are much more exciting than the middle. I wonder if that's why they got leaked first. My GF said it looked like an old man's car based on the middle, but I like the minimalism. Black jacket, black tie, half windsor. I really like how they adjusted the grill and fascia to make the whole car seem lower in the beltline (even if it isn't) than a lot of current sedans. Not really a competitor, but the MKZ screws this up to my eyes - it's bottom half feels too tall, especially forward of the A pillar. It does have a hell of a lot of buttons on the steering wheel:  All the pics are on Autoblog BTW.
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Cream_Filling posted:Eh screw that, I hate excessive character lines. Give me a '67 Continental over a CLS any day. It's not that it's not busy enough for my liking -- it's that the curves look pretty much the same as the Malibu's greenhouse. They took just a bit too much angularity out from the C-pillar, I think.
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kimbo305 posted:It's not that it's not busy enough for my liking -- it's that the curves look pretty much the same as the Malibu's greenhouse. They took just a bit too much angularity out from the C-pillar, I think. That's a fair point. I see what you mean, now.
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I don't like big cars, but I would totally buy one of these for my weekend car if they built it and it looked anything like that.
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Cream_Filling posted:Eh screw that, I hate excessive character lines. Give me a '67 Continental over a CLS any day. Note how these cars have approximately the same amount of sheetmetal above both the front and rear wheels. Now look at the CTS render: blk posted:
That is one seriously tall rear end end. I wonder what rear visibility is like.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Note how these cars have approximately the same amount of sheetmetal above both the front and rear wheels. Now look at the CTS render: I'm pretty sure there's a law against cars without raked beltlines or character lines now. I seriously can't think of more than like 2. But yeah, it might not look as good IRL when not posed at the exact angle where everything looks level. Though that distance might be exaggerated because it looks like the front fender is lower than the actual top of the hood. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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blk posted:
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Peppi posted:I see a lot of c-class merc. I was just going to say, from the middle back the lines look awfully like an S550.
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Snowdens Secret posted:
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That looks really really nice, and I'm a long time hater of Cadillacs. The ATS is nice to drive though so I've got high hopes for this one, because of some dumb online thing they gave me an ATS for 3 days to test out and tweet about, fingers crossed they do the same thing with the CTS.
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XCPuff posted:The Buick Regal and GS can be equipped with AWD now. That makes me extremely happy. The current GS is FWD right? It would be neat if they pulled off AWD. So will the Grand National and GNX be on alpha like the ATS? I really hope the Grand National and GNX turn out amazing. If the Chevy SS isnt going to be coming out with a stick, there is still hope for Buick offering it.
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Cream_Filling posted:I'm pretty sure there's a law against cars without raked beltlines or character lines now. I seriously can't think of more than like 2. Coincidentally enough, the CST Coupe is one of the worst cases of this that I've seen:  And this might be a rather generous angle.
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mobby_6kl posted:Coincidentally enough, the CST Coupe is one of the worst cases of this that I've seen: Exception that proves the rule  I'm okay with super raked beltlines on small coupes and sports cars or whatever - that's what really popularized the look, the greenhouse has to clear the rear wheel wells, and it's not like they're meant to be super practical anyway. I just think they look bad on most sedans and crossovers. But apparently people think that it makes cars looks "fast" and it helps hide some of the fatness so it's slapped onto everything.
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Source? Is this an official rendering, or is it just rendered speculation? edit: nevermind, looked it up. Apparently these were posted on some French blog but they're rumored to be leaked concept drawings. See:   If you mentally de-sketchify and productionize it, it looks like it'll be just like past WRXs - a widebody kit on the standard Impreza bodyshell. Maybe with new doors, though it's hard to say. And maybe shorter F/R overhangs, though if it's like past Imprezas, this might just be because the Japanese market bumpers don't stick out as much due to different crash standards. I mean, it always was weird how Subaru tracked the WRX internally in terms of sales and such, so I think rebranding it makes a lot of sense. But for a while there were wild rumors of new bodystyles or coupe variants (though I suppose neither is really ruled out yet). OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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blk posted:
That is one high beltline. Subarus usually have nice big greenhouses, I hope that doesn't change.
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DoesNotCompute posted:The ATS is nice to drive though so I've got high hopes for this one, because of some dumb online thing they gave me an ATS for 3 days to test out and tweet about What's your twitter? Or will you write about it here?
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Behold the new Cherokee in all its glory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22FXhfW0Sqo It's amusing that the rear has the same visual theme as the front.
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Tekne posted:Behold the new Cherokee in all its glory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22FXhfW0Sqo I hear exhaust and turbo-y sounds in that video.  e: I wonder if they're going to try to differentiate it from other crossovers and give it some more off-road potential? Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Mar 27, 2013 |
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SouthLAnd posted:e: I wonder if they're going to try to differentiate it from other crossovers and give it some more off-road potential? A certain minimal off-road capability is there even in the Patriot and Liberty. They probably worked harder in that respect for a vehicle that ended up carrying the Cherokee badge.
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kimbo305 posted:A certain minimal off-road capability is there even in the Patriot and Liberty. They probably worked harder in that respect for a vehicle that ended up carrying the Cherokee badge. Yeah, Compared to this new piece of poo poo, the current liberty looks like a god drat hummer h1. My mom has an 08 liberty and it's poorly built all around, but it has decent approach and departure angles, a solid rear axle, an actual transfer case, and the exterior dimensions(apart from height) of a ford focus. I dare say with the 6 speed stick and getting it used for peanuts, it would be a decent little vehicle. Powershift fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Mar 27, 2013 |
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An allpar member had this to say about the Cherokee Trailhawk:quote:To clarify, with the end of the embargo drawing closer....some tidbits... The KL drive system has been renamed, it's not a PTO, the official term is PTU As for the air dam, the Trailhawk has a few features it doesn't share with the other models. It sits higher, it has a better approach angle, by nearly 10 degrees, and it has a locking rear differential. That's all you get
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Thinking about hitting up the New York Auto Show this weekend. Any cars really worth the trip for this year?
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Snowdens Secret posted:Thinking about hitting up the New York Auto Show this weekend. Any cars really worth the trip for this year? What haven't you seen? I thought both the C7 and Viper were gonna be there. Neither were at the Boston show  My company is trying to branch further into the auto industry, and one of our Detroit folks said he could get me handshake time with Ralph Gilles, but Gilles ended up not being able to go to the NYC show.
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New Range Rover Sport. Bigger in every dimension than its predecessor, but manages to weigh 900 lbs less. They claim 39% weight reduction, that's astounding.
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angryhampster posted:That looks LOW. Can the suspension raise I'm assuming? I'm not sure, but it is the sport. Generally they're the supercharged models meant to be street stormers. EDIT: as far as i know all RRs have had ride height adjustable suspensions for a while now, so I would say yes. VanNuys fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Mar 27, 2013 |
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kimbo305 posted:A certain minimal off-road capability is there even in the Patriot and Liberty. They probably worked harder in that respect for a vehicle that ended up carrying the Cherokee badge. It's questionable, actually. The whole reason it looks so lumpy is because they're in such a financial crunch that they slashed engineering and design budgets to the point where badge engineering was the only option left. Even then, they've just recently been forced to push back production because they're having trouble finding the money to retool fast enough. Maybe in a year or two once Fiat's finances stabilize they will come out with a trail rated version.
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Gatts posted:
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