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Everyone already quoted this part but clearly, this is the best part. I also love how even Hinata is just so done with Nagito. I can't wait to see how everyone deals with Nagito in the next chapter.
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Owari, go ahead and punch him.
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I wonder if they all started to ignore the fact he exists if he'd commit suicide for not being able to 'help'. 
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I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who finds Nagito annoying. He talks a lot, but at this point, nothing he says seems meaningful. I'm guessing that this is mostly a consequence of the LP format. He's probably a lot more interesting and tolerable when you actually play the game and get his behaviour in one big, shocking dose. Don't take that the wrong way - I'm not criticizing Oren here, there are just always some downsides to LPs and I think the way Nagito's personality comes across is one of them. Having said that, I'm still rooting for him to die next.
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Hinata tried to rules-lawyer the bear. Goddrat. Nagito's still being the same crazy piece of poo poo, but I'm interested in something said about him earlier. orenronen posted:
It plays heavily into what I'm seeing of this game's "theme" as opposed to DR1's. Dangan Ronpa was all about the despair, all the way down to the aesthetic. The school was a mix of dark, claustrophobic corridors and washed out lights, with every exit covered by impenetrable iron plating and an exploding teddy bear rear end in a top hat following the students around and making lewd remarks. Students never got to go outside; sunlight was a fading memory; everything about the school served to remind the students that it was a prison and they were trapped there until they gave up and started preying on each other. The island is going for a distinctly different theme, but no less disturbing. The island's a pretty nice place to be -- the students aren't completely free to do whatever they want, but the environment isn't boldfacedly oppressive like Despair Academy's was. The island isn't perfect, but it doesn't suck. Or at least, it doesn't suck save for the parts of it that Monobear is deliberately turning into ominous little slices of hell. So far, Monobear's visible influence on the island has been to create Monomi, to block off the other islands in the chain with killer robots, and to arm a goddamn time bomb that looks progressively scarier as the days wear on. I'm expecting him to modify the island further over time. Monomi in particular is interesting because she's a grotesque parody of Usami, and because she's the island's (and the game's) mascot. Her appearance and behavior -- in particular her helpless, flailing attempts to stop the students from killing each other, that only serve to infuriate the students further -- are a reflection of what we saw in Nagito's eyes. Just like Nagito, Monomi is a disgusting parody of hope, that only serves to further encourage the students to embrace despair. In summary, what I'm getting from the game is this: DR1 was about exposing the students to as much concentrated despair as possible. DR2 is about showing the students both hope and despair, and gradually taking away the hope, replacing it with a repulsive mockery of itself.
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Apr 18, 2013 21:32
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Nth-ing the "go ahead and punch him" bit as just perfect. Nagito's speeches are coming to bite him in the rear end.
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orenronen posted:
I was wondering when we'd see this thread come back. Considering all we've seen in case one, my going theory is still that (at least the majority of) these kids are former SHSL Despair friends of Junko, because otherwise there shouldn't be any new SHSLs left alive after DR1. Monomi certainly seems to get afraid whenever their past comes up, and even Togami, who dropped way too many subtle references to DR1 that I think wasn't brainwashed like everyone else, told Hinata to "Throw away your past self. It means nothing," which is a rather odd thing to say. But Nagito certainly seems to complicate things; his villainous insanity on one hand would be major evidence for this theory, but his fixation on hope makes him an unlikely candidate for SHSL Despair. Unless Junko considered him one anyways for all the despair he'd foster in order to cause hope later, and that's part of why she considered SHSL Despair as more of an ideology and less of an organization? Right now I'm wondering whether there's any connection between Monomi and Nagito. They're both obsessed with hope in ways that really distort the message from DR1 but in entirely different directions. I'm actually pretty interested in seeing how Kuzuryuu reacts to things in the next little bit. Early on most people had him pinned as repeating the Togami-the-antagonist/rival role form DR1 and he certainly kind of did do that in the lead up to this murder, but now that we have a much more obvious antagonist among the students I don't see that dynamic continuing. quote:
This is the weirdest thing that the game's tossed at us so far. If it were done slightly differently I'd guess that Hinata was picking up on the idea his actions were being broadcast around the world like in DR1, but two eye-like lights floating up in the sky? That's... odd.
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Hey! Tell us, right now! You said you'd return our memories of life at the school, didn't you?!
You're right, I certainly made that promise. I said if mutual killing starts, I'd return your memories.
Eh? Are you going to tell them? But... if you do...
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Togami didn't learn what he needed to know.  And that'd be outright lying, because he didn't tell Hanamura what happened. Does Monobear outright lie?
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Suzuki Method posted:Togami didn't learn what he needed to know. Yes. He said they were correct about who the murderer was when Naegi or Kirigiri was convicted in the trial.
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Apr 18, 2013 21:58
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Suzuki Method posted:I can't tell whether Nagito saying "I will leave this place" is him resolving to work together with everyone to get out of there, or his inner self telling him to not care about anyone else and get out of there. I kinda like that. I'm hoping there's a case where Hinata sets up a situation to kill (probably Komaeda) but can't follow through, and then someone takes advantage of said situation to kill someone and Hinata has to try to defend himself despite believing himself to be the culprit.
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Apr 18, 2013 22:02
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Suzuki Method posted:And that'd be outright lying, because he didn't tell Hanamura what happened. Does Monobear outright lie? Taciturn Tactician posted:Yes. He said they were correct about who the murderer was when Naegi or Kirigiri was convicted in the trial. Now, he might tell a lie if there was no possible way anyone would know he was lying. Junko probably thought as much when she lied in DR1. slowbeef posted:So the background picture was taken sideways? Here, I'll edit your emote into this post.  I didn't even notice that when I made that dumb joke and now I am greatly shamed and also a little confused. Whatever, Monobear/Spike.
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Krinkle posted:
Aren't those sort of the same symbols that appear on his spot in the opening (the real one, not the Dangan Ronpa Island OP)? I wonder if they'll kill off or execute another gag character or go for one of the more serious ones next round. I doubt Nagito will actually die, he'll stick around to bother the poo poo out of the rest of the cast like Syo was. The suspense around the Monobomb is killing me, I'm really curious about that.
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planetarial posted:Aren't those sort of the same symbols that appear on his spot in the opening (the real one, not the Dangan Ronpa Island OP)? It's hard to say - Nidai, Tsumiki and Owari would fall into the 'gag' characters, but Souda and Peko seem so bland so far I really hope they either get more interesting or die, lest they end up like Asahina/Hagakure. Given both our dead this time were guys I'm personally expecting at least one girl to die next chapter, whether it be murderer or murderee.
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...You know, ever since someone mentioned the eyes in that stars image, I've been staring at it for a while, and... I think it's a Hanamura constellation. I swear there's a little chef hat and everything. I have no idea what they're going for there, though.
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's hard to say - Nidai, Tsumiki and Owari would fall into the 'gag' characters, but Souda and Peko seem so bland so far I really hope they either get more interesting or die, lest they end up like Asahina/Hagakure. That is interesting, we haven't had a female character kill another female character in either game in any of the regular trials (yeah Junko but that wasn't really a trial).
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To tell the truth I actually like Nagito's character a lot. Many of you mentioned you'd like him to be killed off already. But it'd be rather boring without someone there to spice things up a bit. Plus he seems to have a big role in sdr2 So I'm going to take a guess and say his crazy personality will be triggered sometimes and other times he'll seem normal (Still crazy, but more normal) tldr; He's a rad character I don't want him to die, and if he does, not until the end. I feel like he's got a lot of character development and to kill him off would be a bummer to me this early. Also Kuzuryuu is becoming a character I am enjoying!! crossing my fingers he'll live through this in the end and get over his stubborn attitude to make a friend on the island.
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kuromisuki posted:To tell the truth I actually like Nagito's character a lot. Many of you mentioned you'd like him to be killed off already. But it'd be rather boring without someone there to spice things up a bit. Plus he seems to have a big role in sdr2 So I'm going to take a guess and say his crazy personality will be triggered sometimes and other times he'll seem normal (Still crazy, but more normal) I have the feeling that he'll end up being one-note with his "hopeful insanity" (or whatever). But, regardless of however he ends up, I'm still going to enjoy whatever crazy poo poo he does while he's still alive.
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Apr 19, 2013 00:05
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kuromisuki posted:I feel like he's got a lot of character development and to kill him off would be a bummer to me this early.
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Apr 19, 2013 00:18
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Supersonic Shine posted:You know what would be funny, yet sort of infuriating? If there were a bunch of "accidents" set up for Nagito, but he just lives on thanks to his crazy good luck. In other words, Kill Doctor Lucky, Tropical Anime Edition?
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Crepuscule Adepte posted:...You know, ever since someone mentioned the eyes in that stars image, I've been staring at it for a while, and... I think it's a Hanamura constellation. I swear there's a little chef hat and everything. Wow, I think you're right. I can see it too. Probably just a nice little detail.
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W.T. Fits posted:In other words, Kill Doctor Lucky, Tropical Anime Edition?
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Crepuscule Adepte posted:...You know, ever since someone mentioned the eyes in that stars image, I've been staring at it for a while, and... I think it's a Hanamura constellation. I swear there's a little chef hat and everything. getitoffgetitoff posted:Wow, I think you're right. I can see it too. Probably just a nice little detail.   yeah no I think we're just seeing things
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Apr 19, 2013 00:50
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Action plan: Lock Nagito in his cabin, with perpetual rotating two-student guard. Food is brought to him. I forget if the cabins have indoor plumbing or if there's an outdoor latrine, if the latter, escort him to and from it.
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Patter Song posted:Action plan: Lock Nagito in his cabin, with perpetual rotating two-student guard. Food is brought to him. I forget if the cabins have indoor plumbing or if there's an outdoor latrine, if the latter, escort him to and from it. There's been a lot of talk about the need to guard Nagito, but is he really a murder risk? It doesn't seem like that's his agenda; if anything, the real danger is that someone will murder him. orenronen posted:
Protective custody may be what's needed here.
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If you don't like me, I won't mind if you come and kill me! I've already prepared myself to become a stepping stone for everyone!
If my death leads to more despair-inducing hope... then my life is cheap.
But, if you decide to kill me, come consult with me first, will you?
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's hard to say - Nidai, Tsumiki and Owari would fall into the 'gag' characters, but Souda and Peko seem so bland so far I really hope they either get more interesting or die, lest they end up like Asahina/Hagakure. I hope Souda will get some better development later down the line. I want to know more about him! Peko just strikes me as very stoic, which may translate to her being bland. I think her personality type will prove interesting in upcoming trials. But I don't think anyone can end up like Hagakure. So far, even though their isn't much on both Souda and Peko, I still like them better than Hagakure. Also, I will be highly surprised if during the course of the game there ISN'T a female murderer. Considering the first game kept a good balance of genders, I'm going to agree that either the victim or murderer will be female for the next trial, if not both.
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Falls Down Stairs posted:
That's totally not what I was thinking of but I'm too lazy to mspaint connect the dots
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I think it's a rorschach test specifically to mess with people who read too much into every detail, guys. Thanks kidco and everyone else who did the hanamura in a sheet sketches, this thread is the best a lot of the time!
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Krinkle posted:
I was just wondering the same dang thing. Anyone else wonder or wanna guess what that kind of look is all about? That and the eyes that komaeda had previously also? 
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jam730 posted:I was just wondering the same dang thing. Anyone else wonder or wanna guess what that kind of look is all about? That other guy was right though. He always has that symbol in his eye, even in his official artwork in the 2nd post. Which just means he's obviously a robot on his anime period.
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Shieldhill posted:There's been a lot of talk about the need to guard Nagito, but is he really a murder risk? It doesn't seem like that's his agenda; if anything, the real danger is that someone will murder him. What part of my proposal doesn't see to Nagito's safety? That's why I said he needs two guards.
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Crepuscule Adepte posted:...You know, ever since someone mentioned the eyes in that stars image, I've been staring at it for a while, and... I think it's a Hanamura constellation. I swear there's a little chef hat and everything.  Yea, neither do I.
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Suzuki Method posted:And that'd be outright lying, because he didn't tell Hanamura what happened. Does Monobear outright lie? He didn't tell Hinata et al. what Hanamura needed to know. It would have been very possible for him to say "Oh yeah, your restaurant failed and your dear old mum is standing on a street corner" off-camera. As such, it would have been a brilliant play of his to say "I'll answer a question for you if you kill someone, after the trial, regardless of whether or not you're convicted". It's not much, but it would subtly shift the risk vs. reward of killing someone, given the likelihood that you might be murdered yourself, anyway.
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Megalowmaniac posted:
"Remember who you are. You are my son, Hinata." (Only after typing all that do I realize what a horrifying image that is).
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So there is a timer now? To get some perspective how many days passed in the first Dangan Ronpa? (After the time skip of course.)
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:Nagito's still being the same crazy piece of poo poo, but I'm interested in something said about him earlier... Hope and despair blending together, huh... NAGITO IS JUNKO AND NAEGI'S SON.  /tinfoil hat Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Apr 19, 2013 |
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LateToTheParty posted:So there is a timer now? To get some perspective how many days passed in the first Dangan Ronpa? (After the time skip of course.) It was a few weeks I think?
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Prison Warden posted:It was a few weeks I think? If I remember right, at one point someone made note that 20 or so days had passed
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Of course, JunkoBear said that s/he was perfectly content to let the students live inside the school for the rest of their lives, so long as they did so in a state of despair (never knowing what happened to their families, unable to solve the mystery of the school, ect.). The new controller is apparently unwilling to do the same.
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Calico Heart posted:Hope and despair blending together, huh... The entire Dangan Ronpa 2 cast are clearly descendants of Naegi/Togami/Hagakure and Asahina from the Bad End. Somehow.
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orenronen posted:
You got a stiiiiick! Everything Gundam does and says just makes me like him more, I'm glad he's stepping up and contributing to conversations now. Or maybe I just love his voice that much.  Who is his voice actor?
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