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How can you all be so happy when children starve in Africa? Shame!
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Nessus posted:Honestly I imagine most of them are caught up in their passions and would not, after calm reflection, do more than smack the guy in the back of the head. I imagine there are some who do not care about law or rights as long as their tribe is on top, of course, but I think they are fewer than you think. I know that most people would react intelligently (or at least semi-rationally) if they have time to sit down and think about it, but so many of our reactions to events, political campaigns, and legislation are crafted to evoke an emotional response rather than rational response. I'm speaking as an Australian who is living through a political campaigns defined by 'fear/hatred of refugees'. There's no rationalism involved, and rationalism is undesirable for politicians and most of their group-think legislation. It's why we need people who express these boring sorts of warnings, even though it's not popular and immediately relevant, just because kneejerk emotionalism has carried forth so many negative actions and reactions that could have been solved with a bit of well-placed rationalism. I don't know why I felt that required such a long reply, I just meant that, even though it's kind of boring, there IS a place for this constant reminder that we need to back away from our emotions, even at the best/worst of times, because they're so frequently damaging and self-destructive
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Wilhelm_Scream.wav posted:Psycho bomber child is captured Well you see because of the violence inherent in the system he's really the victim here because...
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OMG BYZANTIUM posted:So did they release the guy that got molested by robots? Cause that's got to entitle you to a round of drinks at least. I assume so. I also wonder about the guy who had to sit around naked in a Fed SUV for who knows how long.
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Gonz posted:I don't want to be stopped while jogging and have machines take my clothes off and molest me. loving killjoy.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:16
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Godholio posted:Something about this 19 year old's life being ruined, I guess. There are plenty more non-murderous ones to take his place at least.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:16
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Because after a certain point motives are academic compared to the fact that he killed several people. Well, yes, he did kill people. But also why he killed people matters.
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Godholio posted:Something about this 19 year old's life being ruined, I guess. Being ruined? He did it to himself.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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hailthefish posted:He ruined it himself. But isn't it actually our fault, as a society, for letting him go down this path? Edit: Way too many of you took that post seriously. 
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Godholio posted:Something about this 19 year old's life being ruined, I guess. Excuse me while I grab a box of tissues for him. I don't feel bad for people who bring consequences on themselves. Especially when they are shown a lot more respect than was shown to their victims.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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Lt. Dans Legs posted:I guaranfuckingtee you that is going to be his defense. We may hear of his brother's ideologies, but "I was influenced by my brother" is pretty much his only viable defense at this point. Really though he'll have no leeway no matter what he argues. He'll never see the moon again.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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Godholio posted:But isn't it actually our fault, as a society, for letting him go down this path? No?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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Muck and Mire posted:Well, yes, he did kill people. But also why he killed people matters. Those reasons also matter less than preventing him from killing anyone else. Now since he's been taken into custody alive, we'll get to examine his motives while keeping him from killing anyone else. Which is a win-win, says I.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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Did CNN lady just accidentally say, "Innocent until presumed guilty."?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:17
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vaginal culture posted:We are an increasingly atomized society so occasions like this when everyone can put aside their differences and celebrate a bit are pretty cool to see If we can't celebrate the little man in the boat getting fingered, what can we celebrate ?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:18
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Where's normal GBS? This bizarro-forum where people agree with me is creeping me out.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:18
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Muck and Mire posted:Well, yes, he did kill people. But also why he killed people matters. And I'm sure once he can actually talk we'll figure it out.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:18
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Godholio posted:But isn't it actually our fault, as a society, for letting him go down this path? Are you actually the president of Chechneya? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the president of Chechneya blamed the American influence for corrupting the kid. The president posted it on his Instagram account (I don't even know anymore).
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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We're transitioning to fox news 'welfare did this' now.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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So in terms of manhunts go, how quickly has this gone from "horrible event occurred" to "perp capture" in comparisons to other events? I know Timothy McVeigh was on the lam for about a month and only got caught because of an unrelated traffic stop, and then of course the Unibomber was at large for a really long period of time. Do you suppose the advent of social media has created an environment where people who pull off atrocities like this can't escape so readily?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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Godholio posted:But isn't it actually our fault, as a society, for letting him go down this path? What the gently caress what? He lives in a totally chill part of the country, what aspect of new england society led him to become someone who'd want to bomb a loving public event?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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I wonder if he'll get charged with the vehicular manslaughter of his brother. He did try to ramp off of him after all.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Those reasons also matter less than preventing him from killing anyone else. Well. Barring extremely extraordinary circumstances he's never going to see the outside of US custody again in his life, so now that that's taken care of it might be interesting to understand the motivations of someone like him.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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wordsauce posted:video of what appears to be the final firefight in Watertown Oh my God this is terrifying.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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Godholio posted:Something about this 19 year old's life being ruined, I guess. When you kill an 8 year old boy and 2 (potentially 3) others, and injure/maim 150+ more, you're a bit past the point where you qualify for empathy, in my opinion. Edit: Sorry Godholio  reaching that point where it's hard to tell the difference with jokes like this.
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vanbags posted:I really hope the kid doesn't turn out to be some sociopath that was brainwashed by his older brother. I'd like to empathize with him and learn why he did the poo poo he did and how he rationalized it in his mind. The Harris-Klebold explanation seems to make the most sense with the paucity of information we have right now. Maybe he was the "ringleader" - we don't actually know - but it at least looks like he was an extremely weak personality who wanted to be approved by his brother badly enough that he ended up thinking "bombing kids" was a better idea than "calling the police." That's nowhere near a legal defense, of course.
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Lt. Dans Legs posted:I guaranfuckingtee you that is going to be his defense. We may hear of his brother's ideologies, but "I was influenced by my brother" is pretty much his only viable defense at this point. Does this defense even work in any sort of case? "I was influenced into doing it" "Aww you poor thing. Not guilty!"
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Apr 20, 2013 04:19
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vaginal culture posted:This isn't really true at all. That's cool but you gotta understand that the amount of consideration given to your position will correspond roughly to the amount of evidence provided for it
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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krazysigmarite posted:What the gently caress what? He lives in a totally chill part of the country, what aspect of new england society led him to become someone who'd want to bomb a loving public event? The sarcastic one.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:So in terms of manhunts go, how quickly has this gone from "horrible event occurred" to "perp capture" in comparisons to other events? I know Timothy McVeigh was on the lam for about a month and only got caught because of an unrelated traffic stop, and then of course the Unibomber was at large for a really long period of time Timothy McVeigh was caught almost instantly as far as I can remember, they just didn't realize they had arrested the bomber for a few days.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Those reasons also matter less than preventing him from killing anyone else. Pretty easy to do both, unless you're afraid he has a legitimate reason for murdering those people and doing what he did that will shatter the very foundations of society, then knowing the reasons why he did it can only help us prevent such tragedies in the future and spot these kinds of people hopefully before they snap and do things like this. Thinking any different is just short sighted revenge and isn't conductive to a modern society.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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Cholmondeley posted:If we can't celebrate the little man in the boat getting fingered, what can we celebrate ? And by robots no less!
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:So in terms of manhunts go, how quickly has this gone from "horrible event occurred" to "perp capture" in comparisons to other events? I know Timothy McVeigh was on the lam for about a month and only got caught because of an unrelated traffic stop, and then of course the Unibomber was at large for a really long period of time. More like "best timing for a 7-11 robbery. It was just luck, like that traffic stop.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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A guy on CNN said black hat was alive, but in cardiac arrest when he was taken to the hospital early this morning. In the last thread it was said he died at the scene of the shooting. Ugh, it's going to be a while before all these details get cleared up.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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OMG BYZANTIUM posted:Are you actually the president of Chechneya? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the president of Chechneya blamed the American influence for corrupting the kid. The president posted it on his Instagram account (I don't even know anymore). I think that was the dad. I think the official word out of Chechneya was "Holy poo poo gently caress those guys please don't bomb us Putin"
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wordsauce posted:video of what appears to be the final firefight in Watertown Wow Boston PD really broke their dick off in his rear end there
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Do you suppose the advent of social media has created an environment where people who pull off atrocities like this can't escape so readily? It's not social media, but it is new technology. With everyone now capturing everything on digital film, the FBI could quickly find the bombers, spread the pictures, and get others looking for their men. Once the photos got out, the brothers knew they were screwed.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:20
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Fancy Corndog posted:Did CNN lady just accidentally say, "Innocent until presumed guilty."? Yes. And, as to the other argument, I think most people who are happy about this aren't happy about the fact that this 19-year-old hosed over his life in an extreme way, nor about the fact that he's quite likely to be treated inhumanely in the correctional system. They're happy that a person who did a great deal to kill and maim many people, and may well have killed or harmed many more in the future, has been found, and taken into custody without any further loss of life. That's most definitely a thing that's worth celebrating.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:21
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Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys?
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:No way he's going to die looking like that. Unless he took a nose dive off the boat and broke his neck.
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