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I'm loving the 70s/80s retro styling. I also want one, and I wouldn't even have the licence for it.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Or you could buy a well-kept used luxury car for $8-10k, put $4k worth of work into upkeep/new tires/regular maintenance over 5 years, and you'll have spent five years driving a nice car instead of a Yaris for the same money. Exactly. I couldn't even have bought the cheapest new car* for what I paid for my used car, and I got leather interior, aircon, Clarion stereo+Harman/Kardon speakers, rain-sensing wipers, all that jazz. Plus like a million times better ride comfort than any small car can provide. It's been very inexpensive to maintain so far, as well. * Brand new Ford Ka is the cheapest car available right now around here, at ~$12225. I paid ~$9600 for my French motorway muncher extraordinaire. Buying a new car is for suckers. Been there, done that. Never doing it again.
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Apr 28, 2013 09:22
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Depends on what you're using it for - sometimes a small economical car is better than something larger and comfier. My V35 Skyline isn't particularly large or uneconomical (probably similar to a V6 406) but its definitely a pain in the arse for inner city usage, especially parking.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Read about a new car you like? Nope, let's talk about how I hate new cars! New 4Runner  Not that the old one was bad looking but I actually really like the new front end treatment. A pleasant surprise from Toyota.
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KozmoNaut posted:
Used car prices here in the US have been jacked up for a few years now. Like jacked enough that I saw used cars listing for more than new ones of the same model. I wouldn't have bought new if it weren't for that.
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Throatwarbler posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Read about a new car you like? Nope, let's talk about how I hate new cars! How can they make such great trucks and SUVs, and yet when it comes to cars, they just pump out boring poo poo after boring poo poo?
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Apr 28, 2013 17:30
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PT6A posted:How can they make such great trucks and SUVs, and yet when it comes to cars, they just pump out boring poo poo after boring poo poo? 
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PT6A posted:How can they make such great trucks and SUVs, and yet when it comes to cars, they just pump out boring poo poo after boring poo poo?
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Apr 28, 2013 17:42
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Throatwarbler posted:Not that the old one was bad looking but I actually really like the new front end treatment. A pleasant surprise from Toyota. I like it a lot, it looks like how I imagine the Forester should. They made Subarus into Toyotas and Toyotas into Subarus.
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Apr 28, 2013 17:43
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oRenj9 posted:They made Subarus into Toyotas and Toyotas into Subarus.  
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Apr 28, 2013 18:33
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fknlo posted:Used car prices here in the US have been jacked up for a few years now. Like jacked enough that I saw used cars listing for more than new ones of the same model. I wouldn't have bought new if it weren't for that.  How didn't the used car market completely collapse on itself? Or did it actually collapse, and I was just unaware? I'm guessing Cash For Clunkers had something to do with it, too.
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PT6A posted:How can they make such great trucks and SUVs, and yet when it comes to cars, they just pump out boring poo poo after boring poo poo? How is that SUV any less boring than a Corolla or Camry? InitialDave posted:Am I the only one who noticed the front-end styling cues in the 90s?  
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KozmoNaut posted:
The new car market collapsed, leading to a scarcity of used models available on lots, leading to price increases.
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InitialDave posted:Am I the only one who noticed the front-end styling cues in the 90s? 
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Apr 28, 2013 20:10
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AdmiralViscen posted:The new car market collapsed, leading to a scarcity of used models available on lots, leading to price increases. This is most definitely noticeable in Craigslist. For example 6 years ago you could hop on Craigslist and find $1,000 deals all day long. Now? Good luck finding anything under $2,500 that doesn't have "Everything works great except engine/transmission/something else that would cost more than the car to replace, which needs to be fixed."
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AdmiralViscen posted:The new car market collapsed, leading to a scarcity of used models available on lots, leading to price increases. And Cash For Clunkers happened at the same time so THANKS OBAMA 
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oRenj9 posted:I like it a lot, it looks like how I imagine the Forester should. They made Subarus into Toyotas and Toyotas into Subarus. That was exactly my reaction: smaller and lower with a little more glass instead of C-pillar and you have perhaps my ideal Forester XT. (Though to be fair to the newest Foresters, they look better in person than they do in press photos, for some reason. Maybe the lower angles in the photos make them look taller than they actually are?)
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Throatwarbler posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Read about a new car you like? Nope, let's talk about how I hate new cars! The best thing about new cars is that in a few years people who are smarter with their money can buy them as used cars. And every time a new model appears, it makes used examples of the outgoing model that much cheaper. New cars are awesome.
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Apr 28, 2013 20:57
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dissss posted:How is that SUV any less boring than a Corolla or Camry? The styling is more aggressive (and more attractive to me, personally), and it would be fun as gently caress to take off-road (assuming you don't mind doing that with an expensive new SUV). It has a proper 4WD system instead of lovely AWD and/or FWD. It's simply less boring and generic.
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HotCanadianChick posted:The best thing about new cars is that in a few years people who are smarter with their money can buy them as used cars.
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HotCanadianChick posted:The best thing about new cars is that in a few years people who are smarter with their money can buy them as used cars. And every time a new model appears, it makes used examples of the outgoing model that much cheaper. New cars are awesome. If youre shopping for appliance type vehicles then what you say definitely rings true. Ive looked at buying 2008 s2000s and 2006/7 stis and i cannot stomach paying so much for a used car. The owners probably abuse the poo poo out of them and on top of it i have no warranty, random dings here and there, and a car thats been on the street seen by everyone for 5+ years. 2011 Mustang gt? seller knocks off a measely $1k off their cars invoice price and acts like thats an amazing deal when their car has 15,000 miles on it and is quickly approaching no warranty status.
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Yeah, used cars are in general a better deal, but no way I'd buy something like an sti or evo used. If I'm going to be impractical and buy a flashy luxury good by buying something like that in the first place, I'm going to go all the way.
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PT6A posted:The styling is more aggressive (and more attractive to me, personally), and it would be fun as gently caress to take off-road (assuming you don't mind doing that with an expensive new SUV). It has a proper 4WD system instead of lovely AWD and/or FWD. It's simply less boring and generic. Personally I think this looks far more interesting. 
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dissss posted:Personally I think this looks far more interesting. Wish the US got that.
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What car is that? Anyway chiming in on the new vs old car chat I get that it's financially a bad idea to get a new car. Still, I like to have car where I know I'm the only owner and thus have sole responsibility for anything that happens to it. Not to mention I keep my cars until they're dead so I don't really worry about depreciation either.
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It's a bad financial idea to spend money because when you spend money you have less money left over! Oh no!
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Different people value their purchases differently? Unthinkable!
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kill me now posted:It is stupid to put $4k down on a lease because if your car gets totaled you won't get any of that money back. Your insurance pays off the lease company for the buyout value and pays nothing to you. You're then stuck coming up with a downpayment for your next lease if you want to keep the same payments on the new car.
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DerDestroyer posted:What car is that?
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Mr. Apollo posted:Toyota Auris. North America gets the Matrix instead. Though we do get the Lexus CT, which is based on the Auris.
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Cream_Filling posted:Though we do get the Lexus CT, which is based on the Auris. You are correct, sir. E: but the CT is basically an upscale electric Matrix. Or at least uses the same platform. travisray2004 fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 29, 2013 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:Toyota Auris. North America gets the Matrix instead. Its still a Corolla in AU/NZ, Auris most of the rest of the world
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The used car market became inflated because of a few different reasons. First was C4C, hundreds of thousands of lovely used cars were taken off the market. This wasn't that terrible of a thing because most of those cars were garbage, but this created a spillover into the salvage market. Salvage dealers suddenly had lower stocks to choose from when it came to parting out cars, so instead of barely running junkers, they moved on to running cheap cars that people could actually still drive. The second part of it is the economic collapse. One of the effects of loss of credit is less new car loans being issued, but mainly a total stoppage of leases. A large segment of the used car market is off-lease vehicles, lightly used 2 to 3 year old cars. Only recently have car manufacturers started leasing cars again, and they are just now hitting the market. Included in this is rental fleets, who instead of turning over their stocks every 6 months to a year, or between 15k to 30k miles, held onto them for over a year. It hasn't been surprising to get an Enterprise or Hertz car into my auction with 50k miles being two years old. There's a ton of reasons why the used car market blew up, and it's going to be another 18 to 24 months before it calms back down.
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New car loan terms are also extending further into the 5-6-7 year range which is encouraging / forcing people to keep their new whips longer.
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It cost me a net after incentives of $1200 to buy a brand new Toyota Sienna over a 3 year old one with 30K miles. Yes I have a bitchin mini van. Now I got the new one for super cheap, but the used car guy knows they are going to get a sucker to buy that junk so they won't budge. I tried 15 different dealers all the same. Would not budge. They all said they would use the hey it is stupid to buy new, buy this one instead old wives tale line. So shop around. Also spending money is stupid. You should die with a giant pile of gold under your bed so your terminal care physicians can buy 150K Porsches.
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Snowdens Secret posted:New car loan terms are also extending further into the 5-6-7 year range which is encouraging / forcing people to keep their new whips longer.
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Endless Mike posted:There's companies offering a 9 year loans. The local dodge dealer here also sells RVs and trailers. they had a deal with a dodge ram and a 18 foot travel trailer for $500/month. The truck was financed over 84 months, the trailer was financed over 20 years. 20 years at 4.99% on a $18,000 trailer that will be worth $9,000 the second they sign the papers. How does somebody this bad with money get a loan?
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah, used cars are in general a better deal, but no way I'd buy something like an sti or evo used. If I'm going to be impractical and buy a flashy luxury good by buying something like that in the first place, I'm going to go all the way. They also hold their value. I paid $24.5 for a new WRX and traded it 18 months and 17,000 miles later for 22k. The dealer promptly sold it for $24.5 again. People are weird.
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Powershift posted:How does somebody this bad with money get a loan? Because it makes the people giving them the loan a lot of money.
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sanchez posted:They also hold their value. I paid $24.5 for a new WRX and traded it 18 months and 17,000 miles later for 22k. The dealer promptly sold it for $24.5 again. People are weird. My nearly 12 year old WRX still somehow has a KBB value somewhere around $6.5k - $7k. That kind of blows my mind a bit.
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