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armoredgorilla posted:The public apology should be interesting to watch. poo poo, Terry Funk ain't hatin' no gays!
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Yaoi Mandel posted:jay briscoe surpasses austin aries as best heel in the business That's just what the media wants you to believe. #askquestions
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Sweeney Tom posted:That's just what the media wants you to believe. #askquestions Why is Austin Aries a tool? Why is TNA still in business? Why?
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Sweeney Tom posted:(The NoH8 thing, for those who don't know, is a charitable campaign to promote gender, marriage, and human equality through advocacy and visual protest.) I knew I liked Bennett for a reason.
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Oh ya Young BucksThe Young Bucks @NickJacksonYB posted:
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They're taking away our rights THANKS OBAMA #assquestions
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Yeah I'm sure he just has a long history of playing at being homophobic. Tell me more, idiot that can't wrestle without superkicks or hitting his own head on the mat.
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sunsweet posted:Yeah I'm sure he just has a long history of playing at being homophobic. Tell me more, idiot that can't wrestle without superkicks or hitting his own head on the mat. I have a question for you it's "can you wrestle?"
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I'm glad we've regressed to the point where retards don't even understand what freedom of speech means. The noble bigot Jay Briscoe was escorted to the gulag by Obama's anti-speech army the second he posted his Tweet. RIP. ROH needs to take the title off of him ASAP and put it on noted hero Matt Hardy, who saved a schoolbus full of kids from wrecking. Tato fucked around with this message at 03:39 on May 10, 2013 |
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Tato posted:I'm glad we've regressed to the point where retards don't even understand what freedom of speech means. The noble bigot Jay Briscoe was escorted to the gulag by Obama's anti-speech army the second he posted his Tweet. RIP. I sent a tweet to Jackson (in which I swore at him because I'm a bad person), and part of his reply was: quote:I think it's wrong with what he said but he shouldn't be chastised by something he didn't really mean. I'm defending that he should be able to say what ever he wants without getting heat for it. It's called freedom of speech Also it's totes okay because Nick has a gay uncle that he "has no problem with", so he's a clear authority.
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The Young Bucks aren't no advocates for acceptance either as I've seen all 3 of them tweet a lot of homophobic stuff. Mostly how gays shouldn't marry and one of them were in support of Prop 8.
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Yaoi Mandel posted:I have a question for you it's "can you wrestle?" i can't.
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the young bucks, matt jackson in particular have always made really poo poo tweets about gays or whatever. but i like their matches
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The Shaman of Cum posted:the young bucks, matt jackson in particular have always made really poo poo tweets about gays or whatever. but i like their matches Hitler put on really good wrestling matches. Still didn't excuse what he did.
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I like to imagine WWE is maintaining a blacklist of people who will never get jobs and when you tweet stupid homophobic poo poo, you get put on that list. I'm pretty sure if Jay Briscoe was working for WWE when he said that, he'd be future endeavored no later than Monday. Or fed to Brockle Snar. Or both!  In other happier news, Big E sure likes to tweet to Kaitlyn!! DarkstarIV fucked around with this message at 05:35 on May 10, 2013 |
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Judakel posted:Hitler put on really good wrestling matches. Still didn't excuse what he did. Hitler invented the super kick.
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KungFu Grip posted:Hitler invented the super kick.
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History would have been different if the Power Plant had accepted him.
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MassRanTer posted:History would have been different if the Power Plant had accepted him.
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oatgan posted:I'm so torn right now The superkick sucks so he really is history's greatest monster.
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Judakel posted:Hitler put on really good wrestling matches. Still didn't excuse what he did. Way to bring Henry O. Godwin's Law into this.
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Ryback @Ryback22 Just had a meeting with the O'Doyle family paperwork signed and #Done! It is official now so you can all stop whining. #RybackRules
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Ryback has some amazingly bizarre tweets.quote:First rule of #RybackRules is there are no rules. Change is inevitable. I am on a mission. Target not John Connor, but JC is who I see. RYBACK JUST DDT'D JESUS, THE END HAS COME quote:Workout tip #1. Hard work always works. In Dublin on zero sleep and legs will be destroyed in gym. You will understand me soon. #RybackRules This tweet would be funnier if Ryback did noting but growl and make monster noises at his opponents.
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MassRanTer posted:Zeke is the smartest twitter man. After the discussion of Nick's tweet I honestly thought that was the Young Bucks' brother with the odd Biblical name for a minute (it's actually Malachi) since I haven't thought about Zeke for over a year.
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KungFu Grip posted:There is a difference between publicly saying "i'll shoot all gays and anyone else who tries to tell me those gays are people too." and whatever ridiculous redneck stuff you think he normally says. He didn't say he was going to shoot gays though, unless it was in a tweet that wasn't quoted here. He said he'd shoot anyone who tries to teach his kids that accepting gay marriage is okay. As Jay Briscoe tweets go, that's the least homophobic one I've seen and barely qualifies since he's willing to kill anybody, gay or not. No one is apparently bothered that he'd murder people, just that he disagrees with a bill and oh no it concerns gay people so clearly he's human trash. 
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Bocc Kob posted:He didn't say he was going to shoot gays though, unless it was in a tweet that wasn't quoted here. He said he'd shoot anyone who tries to teach his kids that accepting gay marriage is okay. As Jay Briscoe tweets go, that's the least homophobic one I've seen and barely qualifies since he's willing to kill anybody, gay or not. No one is apparently bothered that he'd murder people, just that he disagrees with a bill and oh no it concerns gay people so clearly he's human trash. Is it really that difficult to understand that we all assume that Jay Briscoe doesn't actually want to shoot people? We know he doesn't want to shoot people. That's why no one is concerned about that. People are offended because he posted such an extreme reaction to gay marriage. He had such a visceral reaction to that news that he not only had to comment publicly about it, but he had to use such violent imagery.
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MassRanTer posted:Is it really that difficult to understand that we all assume that Jay Briscoe doesn't actually want to shoot people? We know he doesn't want to shoot people. That's why no one is concerned about that. People are offended because he posted such an extreme reaction to gay marriage. He had such a visceral reaction to that news that he not only had to comment publicly about it, but he had to use such violent imagery. You know he doesn't want to shoot people, but you're offended by the idea that he might want to shoot people.  It's Jay Briscoe. Violent imagery is what he does, in his promos, in his interviews, even on his Twitter. Acting as though this is something exceptional for him is disingenuous. The idea that the things he says are only offensive now because he's saying something people might disagree with is ridiculous. If Jay Briscoe vowed to shoot anyone who tried to teach his kids that gay marriage WASN'T okay, would that still be offensive or would the thread be going, "haw haw! That Jay Briscoe is a hilarious fellow!" A couple of disagreeable tweets from a pro wrestler blowing up the internet is completely insane.
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If it was a part of something to promote a match or do something wrestling related you would have a point. But the reason people are mad is that if you boil down what he said its basically "Gays can get married that's cool I guess if you agree but gently caress gay people being gay is horrible." Nobody's mad about the violent imagery they're mad he's so angry about homosexuality and is expressing it on such public forum with so much hostility.
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Bocc Kob posted:You know he doesn't want to shoot people, but you're offended by the idea that he might want to shoot people. Are you not reading posts or do you lack common sense? NO ONE IS OFFENDED HE MIGHT WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE. My post says those words. His rabid homophobia is what is offensive, since most people also remember his previous homophobic tweets, as have been posted in this thread. I'm sure you are aware, but sometimes gay people are beaten up or killed for being gay. Jay's reaction, when combined with the violent imagery he used provokes a reaction due to this and makes his homophobia that much more offensive. There around gangs of gays going out and killing anti-gay activists. We don't have a history of anti-anti-gay violence, so if he said "I will shoot anyone who teaches my kids that gay marriage is wrong" we'd think "That sure is a thing to say..." and not really care. The fact he is exposing his bigotry (for the third or fourth time) is the problem, the violent imagery is an aggravating factor, but not because anyone thinks he is going to kill anyone. It shows profound ignorance, and the fact he decided to state his views in those terms shows (and has repeatedly, and is a babyface) shows this is something he believes deep down.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:If it was a part of something to promote a match or do something wrestling related you would have a point. But the reason people are mad is that if you boil down what he said its basically "Gays can get married that's cool I guess if you agree but gently caress gay people being gay is horrible." Nobody's mad about the violent imagery they're mad he's so angry about homosexuality and is expressing it on such public forum with so much hostility. Were people really invested in Jay Briscoe's tweets before now that this completely surprised them? When's the last time a Briscoe tweet was even quoted here? Jay Briscoe is not in a position to legalize discrimination. I doubt he can even prevent gay people from attending ROH shows or gay wrestlers from working for the company. So unless he actually does go out and literally assault someone over this, why is this a thing to care about? Do people just go around looking for excuses to get mad at things completely innocuous to their lives? 
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Bocc Kob posted:Were people really invested in Jay Briscoe's tweets before now that this completely surprised them? When's the last time a Briscoe tweet was even quoted here? Jay Briscoe is not in a position to legalize discrimination. I doubt he can even prevent gay people from attending ROH shows or gay wrestlers from working for the company. So unless he actually does go out and literally assault someone over this, why is this a thing to care about? Do people just go around looking for excuses to get mad at things completely innocuous to their lives? Bocc Kob posted:I was talking about Blackie. How, exactly, is the name "Blackie" in and of itself offensive to anyone? Oh no, it has the word "black" in it, so it must be something derogatory aimed at black people in some way? Even though the game doesn't have any dark-skinned characters or any reference to them? It's a real name, in the real world. At least you're consistent.
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Wow, how long did it take you to look that up? And yeah, it is a real name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackie
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Bocc Kob posted:Do people just go around looking for excuses to get mad at things completely innocuous to their lives? You may have a point, but couldn't the same be said of Jay's tweets in the first place? Gay marriage is fairly innocuous to his life, yet he felt the need to very angrily make a threat, however idle, about it. And that's why people are upset, because that kind of behavior is something that's slowly but surely being less tolerated in our society. Why? Because allowing it to fester has proven to result in actual violence and misery. Plus, it's not so innocuous to wrestling fans who enjoy his work and are entertained by him. Those same fans probably wanted to see he and his brother get WWE contracts, and that might be off the table now as a result of this. And there's the simple fact that Jay is the ROH Champion and represents the promotion and the company that owns the promotion. Even if Sinclair's boardroom is full of people who agree with Jay's words, there's no way, from a business standpoint, they can condone it. I don't want to get into a whole debate about the merits of homosexuality, but there was a time when people legitimately thought all gay persons were pedophiles. Something like pedophilia is still demonized at large by society and with good reason. Slowly but surely homosexuality has been mused on and reasoned with and proven to be something that's pretty innocuous to our society at large. Just like being African American, just like being a woman. And that's why intolerance of it is ... well, not tolerated much anymore. Regardless of Jay's reasons for saying what he did (probably due to his upbringing and religious beliefs,) society has deemed it unacceptable. Why? Because it creates an environment of hate and misery, and those things usually lead to legitimate violence and harm. And, just from a moral standpoint, Jay doesn't want to seen as a person full of hate. If this really is about his kids, as he claimed it was, he surely doesn't want them to view their father as anything less than someone to be proud of. So while his opinion of gay marriage isn't going to change, and he'll probably teach his kids what he was taught, I am hopeful that what they said is true - that Jay agreed of his own volition to the apology and the donation, because it shows he's a good man who made a mistake, is willing to own up to that mistake, and, while he might not change his mind on the topic, is at least willing to show a level of tolerance and respect toward it. And really, what more can you ask of a person, no matter what they think? Sorry if I went on too long in a thread that's supposed to highlight 140 characters.
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Yes, I think you could say the same of Jay's tweets. But, if he wants to get mad about the world around him changing, then he can sit there and be as mad as he likes and it wouldn't bother me in the least. Unless he has a personal history of assaulting homosexuals, I don't think it's fair to say letting him be homophobic is going to lead to anything dangerous. I also don't think a bunch of people on the internet jumping in and calling you an rear end in a top hat is going to get anyone to change their opinion of anything except people on the internet. Whether or not people can separate Jay Briscoe the person and Jay Briscoe the wrestler is their choice. People still watch Benoit matches and enjoy them. I don't think it makes you a better person if you don't or a worse person if you do. Either way, it's your choice. Risking losing a WWE contract for his personal views is his choice. I think Briscoe being ROH champion during this is murkier. To a certain extent he does represent the company more than just wrestling for them, but his Twitter account is (or was) his personal account, not made by or for ROH. If they want to suggest he tone down or cut out his posts encouraging violence or discrimination toward groups of people while he's their champion that's one thing, but I think "insisting" he apologize at an ROH show and lose his next two ROH paychecks for words he typed outside of an ROH event is an extreme and unfair reaction. Browbeating and financially pressuring someone into making a false show of agreeing with you doesn't make the world better. Demanding people put up a shallow facade because someone can't handle words is the exact opposite of being open-minded and accepting and only encourages the mindset it's supposedly combating. Twitter is serious business. 
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Bocc Kob posted:Yes, I think you could say the same of Jay's tweets. But, if he wants to get mad about the world around him changing, then he can sit there and be as mad as he likes and it wouldn't bother me in the least. Unless he has a personal history of assaulting homosexuals, I don't think it's fair to say letting him be homophobic is going to lead to anything dangerous. I also don't think a bunch of people on the internet jumping in and calling you an rear end in a top hat is going to get anyone to change their opinion of anything except people on the internet. Whether or not people can separate Jay Briscoe the person and Jay Briscoe the wrestler is their choice. People still watch Benoit matches and enjoy them. I don't think it makes you a better person if you don't or a worse person if you do. Either way, it's your choice. Risking losing a WWE contract for his personal views is his choice. He's the ROH Champion, so he's pretty much at the forefront of any ROH promotion. His twitter account wasn't just his personal account, it was a wrestler's account using his wrestling name and was public for everyone to see (if I remember right.) It might not have been made for ROH, but he's an ROH contracted wrestler now, so it is, in essence, an account representing ROH. Now, if he had said these things, say, on his private facebook account, that uses his real name, that only his personal friends and family are privy to, and it somehow got leaked, then yes, I would agree it would be unfair to judge him based on that, because it would have been private. But he's a public figure, knowingly using a public platform, and his words are susceptible to be judged by the public. And the public company that employs him has the right to act as a result of that. In fact, they'd be crazy not to. That's just the way it is. I do, however, agree that it isn't right to force him to do anything in the name of saving face. It's a smart business move, but you're right that it doesn't change anything or fix any problems in the long run. Which is why I said I hope he is genuine in his apology, even if his mindset remains unchanged (and let's face it, it does.) It was, if nothing else, a very poor choice of words (something that tends to happen a lot on twitter; go figure.) But again, if Jay is genuine in apologizing and isn't just being forced to do it, I can personally forgive Jay and ignore his personal opinion/preference on the matter, at least when he's trying to entertain me. And all other opinions aside, he's pretty darn good at doing that.
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