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Two Tone Shoes posted:I don't like the "Ymir is a Wall Titan" theory because if Ymir was capable of using the hardening technique she probably wouldn't have sat there and got eaten and torn apart so easily by the horde of titans when she transformed. Aside from that it's really compelling -- timescale wise, Bertholdt and Reiner would've been kids when they knocked down the walls and, upon transforming back to humans to blend in, suddenly this crazy human piloted titan comes out of nowhere and starts attacking stuff near them. So Bertholdt and Reiner are running away from something and the only way out is through the second gate -- Reiner transforms to the armored titan, breaks it down, and they go about their mission from there. Does anyone have a theory on the sudden motivation all the titans seem to have. I think we may get some motivations out of Bertholdt and Reiner next chapter since they set all the events into motion, but why did they decide to invade after 100 years of peace? Especially since they were only kids at the time. Perhaps they wanted humans to leave the walls, so they had to tear them down first. Their age is interesting to think about - are all the 104th division supposed to be the same age - do people enroll in the military at a certain age? They didn't seem like it, but maybe. If so, then all the shape-shifter titans are the same age - ie, made at the same time.
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The 104th arent the EXACT same age, if I remember right, but they are close. There is like a 2 year age range among them. Eren and co. obviously signed up as young as they were allowed to.
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May 28, 2013 17:04
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It seems reasonable to think that all the wall titans are really huge/tall titans, so I doubt Ymir was in the wall. The one they showed us is, and it would be kinda strange if the wall, which is of uniform height, was made up of a mish-mash of a bunch of different titans ranging from Ymir size to near-colossal size.
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May 28, 2013 18:12
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Some unordered thoughts: Wall Ymir sounds plausible. She might have been in the mobile part Rainer broke. There is no particular reason why petrified titans would have to age so I don't see that as a problem. Why does everyone assume that she attacked Rainer before the wall was broken instead of right after? As to getting eaten, she might not have the ability to harden on her own. We don't actually know if Rainer can't read the language on the cans. If it was Titan speech he wouldn't have admitted knowing it. Shadow0 posted:Perhaps they wanted humans to leave the walls, so they had to tear them down first. Rainer states explicitly that their goal was to kill all humans behind the walls. Maybe the wall titans can only leave when there are no longer any humans to protect?
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May 28, 2013 18:27
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So I caved. Read everything in a day. Holy poo poo. I never suspected Reiner, I just thought he was such a cool and upstanding guy. Him wrestling a titan was just so cool. And then blam. "Hey dudes we're the big bads" and it just makes sense. Ofcourse he is the armored titan, he looks just like him. Ofcourse Bert is the Colossal Titan. Just like when it was revealed that Annie was the Female Type titan. (totally did not see that coming, I mean she was part of the MP, nowhere close to where the scouts were) But it still made so much sense. UGH. This Manga.
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May 28, 2013 18:44
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Affi posted:So I caved. Read everything in a day. Yes, these are the posts, the posts that I just eat up. 
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May 28, 2013 19:32
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genericnick posted:Some unordered thoughts: I thought it was at the very least heavily implied that she attacked Reiner/Bertholm's village before Reiner/Bertholm attacked the wall. edit: One thing I wondered about is how Bertholm was able to eat Ymir without killing her (or at least how he was able to recover her after reverting). If I recall correctly, the stretcher she was on was also intact. I'm assuming that the other guy he ate (that he got the 3d gear from) died? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 28, 2013 |
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May 28, 2013 19:32
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Ytlaya posted:edit: One thing I wondered about is how Bertholm was able to eat Ymir without killing her (or at least how he was able to recover her after reverting). If I recall correctly, the stretcher she was on was also intact. I'm assuming that the other guy he ate (that he got the 3d gear from) died? Bertholm is huge. That means he has a huge mouth. As long as he doesn't swallow, I think it'd be possible to survive his mouth for a short while.
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May 28, 2013 20:00
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Schwarzwald posted:Bertholm is huge. That means he has a huge mouth. He was tilting his head back though, so it seemed like he gulped them down. I guess I can understand Ymir being able to cope with the stomach acid for such a short time, if that's what happened.
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May 28, 2013 20:04
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genericnick posted:Why does everyone assume that she attacked Rainer before the wall was broken instead of right after? Because the timing would be wrong for that. In order to join up in human society and be part of the military, the best option for them would have been to break down the door, cause a little havoc, then transform back to human form and join the refugees trying to escape into Wall Sina. That may not have been the whole substance of their original plan, but it is what they did. For Ymir to have attacked them after they came inside, they would have had to come in, established a base camp village inside the farmland section of the walls, then somehow snuck into the next closest city and join up with the military. I guess it's possible they could have come in during the confusion of Operation "gently caress that section of the population" or pretending to be lost kids found by a group of scouts, but then they'd have to field the questions of how they managed to survive titan infested land as children. It just doesn't make as much sense. Ytlaya posted:edit: One thing I wondered about is how Bertholm was able to eat Ymir without killing her (or at least how he was able to recover her after reverting). If I recall correctly, the stretcher she was on was also intact. I'm assuming that the other guy he ate (that he got the 3d gear from) died? Died or left in such critical condition that he would die quickly. Eren was able to survive in a titan stomach for a little bit, and Ymir is probably at least as hardy also being a human titan. We don't have the best sense of time when reading manga, so it probably just wasn't long enough in his stomach to do any significant damage.
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May 28, 2013 20:07
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What is more interesting is to ask How Berthold managed to gear up while in Titan form. We know that equipping 3D manuever gear takes a while. (See, recruits didn't have time to don theirs when the titans attacked.) So did Bert really take his time after impact to suit up? Surrounded by temporarily stunned Scouts? That is quite a big big gamble if he did. All it takes is one scout to not be stunned. So did he do it inside his own titan body? The colossal titan is huge. Could he seperate completely or partially to go grab the 3d gear from inside himself and equip it before dropping down?
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May 28, 2013 20:07
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Affi posted:What is more interesting is to ask How Berthold managed to gear up while in Titan form. My guess is that this is one of those things where you have to suspend disbelief and just assume that he was able to gear up really fast.
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May 28, 2013 20:24
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Maybe he only equipped the grappling hook shooting part and not the whole thing. But I like the idea of him detaching and crawling around the inside of the Titan husk.
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May 28, 2013 21:20
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onepixeljumpman posted:
The land between the first and second wall is huge and the evacuation was hardly well planned. It should have taken a lot of time until scattered groups of refugees stopped arriving at the inner gates. And with village do you mean the story Berthold tells about the titans arriving in their home village? That might have been entirely unrelated to Ymir or it have happened while they were resting in a farm building on their track to the inner walls.
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May 28, 2013 21:21
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Hopefully we get some good exposition on what happened between Reiner, Bert and Ymir. And who the person that got killed was. Maybe Ymir is that person. She did say "I died and now i'm free" or something like that. Right? Ytlaya posted:My guess is that this is one of those things where you have to suspend disbelief and just assume that he was able to gear up really fast. I just like the idea that Bert can put his colossal titan in standby steam production mode and go hang out somewhere else. Wii Spawn Camper posted:Maybe he only equipped the grappling hook shooting part and not the whole thing. But I like the idea of him detaching and crawling around the inside of the Titan husk. True, he just needs it to.. actually he doesn't need it at all. Armored titan can just pick him up and Ymir up anyway.
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May 28, 2013 21:30
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He needs it to break the fall. If he hadn't used it, Reiner would still be recovering from the body press (he withstood it, but that doesn't mean he shrugged it off), and Bert and Ymir would have gone crashing to the ground. Hell, even being caught by Reiner would probably kill them both with the impact. Also, I agree that it's hilarious that Bert of all people is the iconic image associated with AoT. Yes, it's as the Colossal Titan, but it's still funny that when people think AoT, they think Bert.
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May 28, 2013 22:20
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Attack on Titan: Bert and Ernie in Germany
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May 28, 2013 22:26
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genericnick posted:The land between the first and second wall is huge and the evacuation was hardly well planned. It should have taken a lot of time until scattered groups of refugees stopped arriving at the inner gates. And with village do you mean the story Berthold tells about the titans arriving in their home village? That might have been entirely unrelated to Ymir or it have happened while they were resting in a farm building on their track to the inner walls. They only way I can see Bert and Reiner being scattered during the evacuation is if they were part of the evacuating farmland people, which makes no sense, or if the large groups from the cities themselves broke apart on the way to inside Sina. Because everyone from one city is leaving from the same door and the people in charge of the evacuation presumably know how to get to the next closest city, that makes even less sense unless the evacuation is so haphazard that their instructions for getting to safety were, "Go that general direction and you'll get there probably." They were probably just told to follow the road, but that would keep them together. With "village," I was originally going to say "base camp," but I wanted to remember Berthold mentioning something about being attack in their village. I was probably just mixing what you said with Ymir.
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Shadow0 posted:Their age is interesting to think about - are all the 104th division supposed to be the same age - do people enroll in the military at a certain age? They didn't seem like it, but maybe. If so, then all the shape-shifter titans are the same age - ie, made at the same time. This prompted me to do a very stupid picture:  Eren stop almost looking like Kamiyama, jesus. (also, couldn't decide on who would be funnier as Kamiyama between Bert and Eren and so many characters could have filled different roles) Zeikier fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 00:10
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture:
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May 29, 2013 00:36
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture: You're the best.
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May 29, 2013 00:58
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture: I really wish this could go in the OP but it's too spoilery. It's so good. So good.
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May 29, 2013 01:02
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture: I can't wait for the story where Eren buys the guide to looking like a tough guy so he'll fit in better with the other titans.
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May 29, 2013 01:32
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Maybe Ymir's attack on Reiner and Bert's village is what prompted them to attack humanity beyond the walls. They assumed what Ymir did was what those behind the walls desired for some reason. Then they see Ymir change at the castle, and realize they have found what they are looking for. This could be the realization they had on top of the wall. They need only take those that can transform back with them to be done with the whole ordeal. So they grab up Eren and Ymir and book it back home.
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May 29, 2013 01:50
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture: Mechazawa Titan? Ytlaya posted:My guess is that this is one of those things where you have to suspend disbelief and just assume that he was able to gear up really fast. I thought they said the steam prevented them from approaching for a few hours even. They should have surrounded them though. Ytlaya posted:He was tilting his head back though, so it seemed like he gulped them down. I thought they had said that the titan's didn't have a functioning stomach. Hence why they regurgitate the bodies instead. Presumably you could live in the stomach?
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Shadow0 posted:I thought they had said that the titan's didn't have a functioning stomach. Hence why they regurgitate the bodies instead. Presumably you could live in the stomach? Normal titans do have stomach acid, we get a POV from Eren mid-flashback to his first transformation inside a stomach and slowly melting, and the piles of corpses thrown up by full titans are mostly dissolved. Who knows what the gently caress is going on inside any of the human titans, though.
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May 29, 2013 04:41
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Affi posted:So I caved. Read everything in a day. Enjoying trading your one week anime cliffhangers for new one month manga cliffhangers.
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May 29, 2013 05:05
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Affi posted:So I caved. Read everything in a day. If you look at the last episode, both Reiner and Bert were very relieved she didn't get hurt. The precious lil' flower... that grows into a mad she-hulk when she gets hurt.
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May 29, 2013 05:08
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EVIR Gibson posted:If you look at the last episode, both Reiner and Bert were very relieved she didn't get hurt. The precious lil' flower... that grows into a mad she-hulk when she gets hurt. I think they were relieved that she didn't get hurt not so much because they were concerned for her well-being, but more because if she had gotten hurt, the steam produced by her Titan-regeneration abilities will expose the fact that she's a Titan.
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JosephWongKS posted:I think they were relieved that she didn't get hurt not so much because they were concerned for her well-being, but more because if she had gotten hurt, the steam produced by her Titan-regeneration abilities will expose the fact that she's a Titan. As Reiner shows later by speedhealing his broken arm and yanking off the cast (and Annie shows herself by healing the one eye in Titan form) they have the ability to suppress/control their regeneration as they choose so they don't have to be too paranoid about suffering injuries.
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Mio Bison posted:As Reiner shows later by speedhealing his broken arm and yanking off the cast (and Annie shows herself by healing the one eye in Titan form) they have the ability to suppress/control their regeneration as they choose so they don't have to be too paranoid about suffering injuries. Isn't there at least a couple times that Eren heals without him or anyone else immediately noticing it? I'd assume if he was steaming up in the process, someone would have said something. I need to get back to my rereading.
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Zeikier posted:This prompted me to do a very stupid picture: I feel like this is a reference to something I have missed / not seen? Is it?
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May 29, 2013 06:52
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It's a crossover with Cromartie High school.
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Breaky posted:I feel like this is a reference to something I have missed / not seen? Is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9R-XnHAhY
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JosephWongKS posted:I think they were relieved that she didn't get hurt not so much because they were concerned for her well-being, but more because if she had gotten hurt, the steam produced by her Titan-regeneration abilities will expose the fact that she's a Titan. The cat would be out of the bag no matter what. The large, disfigured, giant cat
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This is one of the best series I have watched, then caved in and read, in a long, long time. Did anyone think it was super creepy in Connie's village when there was that Titan he said looked like his mother? Something about the way it was deformed and couldn't move, and the fact it welcomed him back was just really eerie to me. The fact that his entire village were most likely "titanised" too probably added to it, with him naively not understanding what had gone on and that most likely IS his mother. spud fucked around with this message at 16:03 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 15:59
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Pretty sure in the flashback Ymir ate a kid who was the same age as Reiner and Berthold. The kid distracted Ymir so the other two could get away.
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I was just reading over the recent chapters, and that beast titan has some pretty great aim. He manages to hit that tower and the house stable from like a kilometer away on top of the wall during nighttime. He should play titan baseball.
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AradoBalanga posted:Well, now you know what needs to come next: Freddy Titan. There he is!  Freddy! Shadow0 posted:Mechazawa Titan? This inspired something more than just Mechazawa Titan, but it could have come out a lot better.  
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