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triplexpac posted:if only WWE knew how to properly utilize his craziness.
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Isaac Bruce Bowen posted:Didn't Triple H pretty much bury Steiner when they feuded? Triple H actually, in the early build, put him on his level. The booking itself, however, was an utter disaster, with actual main event muscle posedown contests and other assorted garbage, but he sold Steiner as an actual threat. Steiner buried himself with his atrocious PPV performance though, which Steiner attributes having gone into it with a hosed up foot. If you've never heard of the vaunted Stumblebomb '03, that comes from Steiner being so winded he nearly ended Triple H's life with a horribly botched powerbomb. All this is off memory though, and those angles seem kinda vague in my mind, so it's entirely possible I'm misremembering and HHH actually buried Steiner beforehand.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Stumblebomb '03 Oh gently caress I forgot about that.  Seriously, HHH was INCHES from never getting up from that thing.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Triple H actually, in the early build, put him on his level. The booking itself, however, was an utter disaster, with actual main event muscle posedown contests and other assorted garbage, but he sold Steiner as an actual threat. Steiner buried himself with his atrocious PPV performance though, which Steiner attributes having gone into it with a hosed up foot. If you've never heard of the vaunted Stumblebomb '03, that comes from Steiner being so winded he nearly ended Triple H's life with a horribly botched powerbomb. The star of that match was Steiner's purple thong for sure.
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That match was like 27 minutes long and Steiner could have probably gone MAYBE 7 or 8 minutes at that point. The stumblebomb, the botched diamond-cutter looking thing, 11,000 suplexes in a row, Steiner just falling backwards on his rear end cuz he's too tired to stand, the crowd rightfully booing the poo poo out of it. Steiner was in obvious pain for most of it and it was kinda sad to see him out there. It was terrible. Its an extremely entertaining match for all the wrong reasons.
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I wonder if HHH was just so full of himself that he thought he could walk Steiner through an epic long match, like his hero Ric Flair would
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I'm trying to find Stumblebomb '03 on YouTube but no dice.
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triplexpac posted:I wonder if HHH was just so full of himself that he thought he could walk Steiner through an epic long match, like his hero Ric Flair would This is literally what happened. They were scheduled for a more reasonable length but HHH insisted he could handle a main event style match with Steiner.
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So the blame is basically 70% Steiner, 20% HHH, and 10% booking?
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oatgan posted:This is literally what happened. They were scheduled for a more reasonable length but HHH insisted he could handle a main event style match with Steiner. Ok, that makes sense then. Because I was going to say, anyone with half a brain would know that Steiner can't go for a long match. So either HHH was full of himself and thought he could carry it, or HHH wanted to bury Steiner. Wasn't HHH really puffy at that time anyway? I wouldn't have thought he'd want to go that long himself, he wasn't in shape like he was in 2000.
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Shiki Dan posted:So the blame is basically 70% Steiner, 20% HHH, and 10% booking? I would say alot of the blame should be placed moreso on booking and Triple H. It was pretty well known that Steiner had been having nerve problems with his foot. The match should have been 7-10 minutes with a non-finish to lead to their follow up match at No Way Out the next month. Especially when you already have Benoit/Angle and a Royal Rumble match on the card, there is no reason for the HHH/Steiner match to go for as long as it did. Edit: Looking back, I guess it did have the dq finish with the sledgehammer. But still, that match should have been at least half the time it was.
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Isaac Bruce Bowen posted:I'm trying to find Stumblebomb '03 on YouTube but no dice.
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Weren't Steiner's WCW main events just 15 minutes with lots of run ins?
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An underhook stumble bomb, even better!
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coconono posted:Weren't Steiner's WCW main events just 15 minutes with lots of run ins? Every Vince Russo main event was that, yes.
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Havoc904 posted:I would say alot of the blame should be placed moreso on booking and Triple H. It was pretty well known that Steiner had been having nerve problems with his foot. The match should have been 7-10 minutes with a non-finish to lead to their follow up match at No Way Out the next month. Especially when you already have Benoit/Angle and a Royal Rumble match on the card, there is no reason for the HHH/Steiner match to go for as long as it did. He kept doing it, too. He had stupidly long main events with folks like Goldberg and Nash just to prove that he could.
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Snacksmaniac posted:An underhook stumble bomb, even better!
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The Steiner/HHH match also looks bad because it is immediately followed by Benoit/Angle, the MOTY.
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Yeah, I'm sure a wrestler could analyze it better, but he always drops people kinda to the side when he does that move, so I couldn't see how HHH went down at a dangerous angle or anything.
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One of the realities of HHH is that he's just not good enough to carry guys. His matches with Steiner made that readily apparent.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:One of the realities of HHH is that he's just not good enough to carry guys. His matches with Steiner made that readily apparent. I think it was Cornette (but I'm sure someone else said it before) that HHH is the guy who works WITH the Main Eventer, not the Main Eventer himself. I'd always just assumed it was because he wasn't that good (I REALLY don't like Hunter) but it seems more likely this is what they meant.
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Coming off his quad injury, HHH was gassed to the gills and couldn't go like he used to. HHH in 2000 was awesome, and if he didn't balloon way up in side he probably could have still put on good matches in 2001.
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Another factor that Steiner talks about in his shoots is that due to injury leading into the match, they didn't get a chance to work together. Normally when you have a PPV match the two guys have been able to work with each other on houseshows to learn each others timing and work out spots. They didn't have that, and then called the match in the ring which just led to all sorts of problems.
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Okay, now I know the story of that match. I know what "gassed" means in an athletic context, but when I first heard about HHH's match with Steiner I read someone saying he couldn't do anything but take a bunch of belly-to-bellys because he was so gassy. That was a very different mental image.
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triplexpac posted:Coming off his quad injury, HHH was gassed to the gills and couldn't go like he used to. HHH in 2000 was awesome, and if he didn't balloon way up in side he probably could have still put on good matches in 2001. Yeah, I remember him having a really fun and short match with Taka Michinoku when he came back from the neck injury in the early summer of 2000. Thats just a random match off the cusp as well that doesn't include all the main events and other matches he was part of during that 2000 run. But yeah, I think that quad injury definitely made him slow down a ton more. Plus he was trying to work classic heel style matches that just weren't meshing with what people were seeing else where on the card. When you had the Smackdown Six tearing it up, ladder matches with Edge/RVD/Jericho/Christian/etc on almost a monthly basis and so on; having Triple H work these slow style matches just made him look lovely.
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Still laugh every time at Stumblebomb '03. I think it's the "HEH" just before he does it. God Scott Steiner is loving great.
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Havoc904 posted:Yeah, I remember him having a really fun and short match with Taka Michinoku when he came back from the neck injury in the early summer of 2000. Thats just a random match off the cusp as well that doesn't include all the main events and other matches he was part of during that 2000 run. That Taka match came after he lost a handicap match to Kaientai & The Brooklyn Brawler by pinfall. Triple H from late 1999 to his injury had a run of really good to great matches
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El Gallinero Gros posted:One of the realities of HHH is that he's just not good enough to carry guys. His matches with Steiner made that readily apparent. I believe Meltzer has said that HHH wanted to force Steiner to work that kind of match to expose him. I have no idea why.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:That Taka match came after he lost a handicap match to Kaientai & The Brooklyn Brawler by pinfall. Triple H from late 1999 to his injury had a run of really good to great matches Actually there was a Taka match in April of 2000 that was when he came back and had APA for outside protection. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1gji3_hhh-vs-taka-michinoku-from-raw_sport#.UcI6UPmyD3A The Brooklyn Brawler, Kaientai handicap match didn't take place until his feud with Jericho in July of that summer.
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Didn't the first episode of Smackdown feature the great TAKA vs. Triple H match we all fondly remember?
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This was the best thing to come out of Big Poppa Pump's WWE run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYNaj005ws Scott Steiner goodness a little more related to WCW/TNA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJsNB7T43s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZsEX4eUcuo Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jun 20, 2013 |
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My favorite HHH thing was him (As Bryan Alverez put it) annoying a building full of people who had paid to see Goldberg win the title because he wanted to put on a "great match" when he was fit. So they changed the title at Unforgiven in a "No seriously guys, the title is going to change this time we swear" match. And my other favorite Triple H burial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owsymUkFv6g I don't know why Hurricaine got a competitive 7 minute match with Triple H but it's pretty fun watching it. algebra testes fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 20, 2013 |
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triplexpac posted:It's too big a project for me, but it would be amazing if someone made a video companion to the Rise & Fall book. Obviously it wouldn't be able to be sold or legitimately acknowledged, but it would be great to have. When Bill Simmons' Book of Basketball came out, he had a web page which consisted of a bunch of Youtube links listed next to the corresponding page and passage. A similar deal could easily be set up.
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LordPants posted:I don't know why Hurricaine got a competitive 7 minute match with Triple H but it's pretty fun watching it. Because Rock put the Hurricaine over in their mini feud and HHH was playing politics at the time. It's the same reason he wanted Booker T to beat Rock in the build up to mania when he knew he was going to beat Booker in the title match.
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LordPants posted:
Wow, Hurricane had more offense in that match than I remembered. I seem to remember this being after Hurricane had some great segments with the Rock, and Trips basically went, "Well, this kid's starting to get over. I'd better Hogan him before it gets out of hand."
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An Actual Bear posted:Still laugh every time at Stumblebomb '03. I think it's the "HEH" just before he does it. Where exactly in the match is it?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Where exactly in the match is it? 20:59
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Triple H got a pretty solid match out of The Great Khali, which is so beyond my ability to comprehend that I feel like I just watched the Battlebowl all over again. But then he also got a horrendously bad match out of Kozlov that probably destroyed any chance Kozlov had to be elevated for all time.
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Jerusalem posted:Triple H got a pretty solid match out of The Great Khali, which is so beyond my ability to comprehend that I feel like I just watched the Battlebowl all over again. Kozlov was almost as bad in the ring as Khali, albeit more mobile. I'll give him a pass on that one
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MassRafTer posted:I believe Meltzer has said that HHH wanted to force Steiner to work that kind of match to expose him. I have no idea why.
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