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Maybe, but if being sucked in actually transports you to that world on the other side all it means is that Xycon gets to keep his phylactery (albeit possibly unknowingly) when everyone is blasted through.
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How did you read Roy's plan of, "I'mma break it" and come up with that rambling plan that (A) doesn't involve Roy breaking the gate, and (B) somehow hinges on not letting Redcloak word of recall back to a different city where he's no threat to anyone? ecause if there's a spell I want a near-epic cleric to cast, it's the one that gets rid of him. Also there's no way Xykon would let that band of martial chumps take yet another gate away from him.
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Jun 22, 2013 19:56
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They get sucked into the rift, which it turns out is a portal to a digital world, where they then meet and train digital monsters that can digivolve into champions.
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Jun 22, 2013 19:58
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Cliff Racer posted:Yeah they were, they were trying to figure the gates out when they were throwing those prisoners into it. Course if Xycon were really patient, since he has all the time in the world. he aught to have just sent for a legendary spell caster to make a new gate at one of the three destroyed ones, that way he doesn't have to battle for it. Or whatever it was that the OotSc did to build theirs. I guess he wasn't patient enough or thinks waiting in Azure City is too risky or just thinks that it would be easier to blast through a pyramid of hippies than to come up with the gold for that magic. Epic spellcasters are a bit harder to come by than you think. Plus, any epic spellcaster who A: Could seal a rift, and B: would work with a Lich, would probably end up making a power grab and cause problems. Sorta " I could tell you about rifts and the plan, but then I'd have to kill you." Plus, Per haley's comment of " I don't think there ARE even any level 19 clerics in the world!" and the Imps comment of " You know how few wizards make it past 10th level?" Just because the world is set on D&D terms, and D&D has high level/epic adventures, it doesn't mean those types are plentiful, or even exist at all!
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Mystic Mongol posted:How did you read Roy's plan of, "I'mma break it" and come up with that rambling plan that (A) doesn't involve Roy breaking the gate, and (B) somehow hinges on not letting Redcloak word of recall back to a different city where he's no threat to anyone? ecause if there's a spell I want a near-epic cleric to cast, it's the one that gets rid of him. I'm assuming someone else can break the gate besides Roy. The operative idea is that he takes out both Xykon and Redcloak in a gate suicide bomb.
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Jun 22, 2013 20:08
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I just got the comic title.  They are hiding from them in-
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Glory of Arioch posted:This is actually a pretty good plan by Roy. Suicidal, but good. Here's what he has to do: The Order waits for Xykon to appear. Roy sits on Redcloak, using his new feat to keep Redcloak from casting Word of Recall, while telling Xykon what he intends to do. Xykon hears Roy, and figures, hey, my phylactery is on the Astral Plane, so if you blow up this gate and destroy my body, big deal, I'll regenerate in my fortress and just hoof it to the last gate on my own. This train of thought will keep Xykon from being personally invested in actually saving the gate, so it should be a simple task for the rest of the Order to destroy it. Plus, since the phylactery is actually on Redcloak's person instead of on the Astral Plane, it will most likely be destroyed along with everyone else at the gate, which discharges the blood oath and protects the world from Xykon. All in all, a very decent plan for Roy to think of. It will be interesting to see what breaks down and where. Roy doesn't know about Redcloak's swap gambit though. I don't think he's going to wait that long to wreck the gate.
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Jun 22, 2013 20:42
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Glory of Arioch posted:I'm assuming someone else can break the gate besides Roy. The operative idea is that he takes out both Xykon and Redcloak in a gate suicide bomb. Yeah, if this gate gets destroyed, it ain't gonna be by Roy. Poor Belkar.
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I'm really curious about the next Order strip. I can't see Rich actually writing the whole cringeworthy Armageddon scene where they have a fight about who gets to go out in a noble blaze of self-sacrifice, but I also can't see Roy's declaration eliciting any other reaction, at the very least from Elan (and Belkar and V are also in a pretty martyrous mood).
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Naramyth posted:Roy doesn't know about Redcloak's swap gambit though. I don't think he's going to wait that long to wreck the gate. He doesn't have to. Last time the phylactery was seen (by V and O'chul), it was on Redcloak's person. They don't necessarily know that Xykon came up with a plan to hide it in the first place.
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Poil posted:I just got the comic title. Also the pillar was actually the Gate, the gate was hiding in plain sight as well.
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NihilCredo posted:I'm really curious about the next Order strip. I can't see Rich actually writing the whole cringeworthy Armageddon scene where they have a fight about who gets to go out in a noble blaze of self-sacrifice, but I also can't see Roy's declaration eliciting any other reaction, at the very least from Elan (and Belkar and V are also in a pretty martyrous mood). Roy never said anything about self sacrifice, though, he simply said he isn't going to bother with trying to defend the gate and instead will actively try to destroy it (instead of accidentally doing it, like all the times before).
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e X posted:Roy never said anything about self sacrifice, though, he simply said he isn't going to bother with trying to defend the gate and instead will actively try to destroy it (instead of accidentally doing it, like all the times before).
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Cliff Racer posted:Yeah they were, they were trying to figure the gates out when they were throwing those prisoners into it. Course if Xycon were really patient, since he has all the time in the world. he aught to have just sent for a legendary spell caster to make a new gate at one of the three destroyed ones, that way he doesn't have to battle for it. Or whatever it was that the OotSc did to build theirs. I guess he wasn't patient enough or thinks waiting in Azure City is too risky or just thinks that it would be easier to blast through a pyramid of hippies than to come up with the gold for that magic. Wasn't that just a threat to O'Chul? It alway puzzled me how the prisoners were going to thrown in, anyway... It was far enough away you'd think it would need some kind of prisoner trebuchet.
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Could have had a cleric cast a variation on grasping hand, I gess.
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There were goblins up there, clearly they were going to just use the peasant railgun method. 
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Anyone else realised that the Oracle said that Durkon would be going back to his homeland in a coffin, but not that he'd actually be dead. How likely is it that he is sent back by Tarquin to spread some havoc?
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Josef bugman posted:Anyone else realised that the Oracle said that Durkon would be going back to his homeland in a coffin, but not that he'd actually be dead. How likely is it that he is sent back by Tarquin to spread some havoc? I don't think the Oracle said he'd be returning in a coffin, but posthumously. In this case it'll have about the same effect: he's going back vamped up, and he's going to bring death and destruction with him.
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Josef bugman posted:Anyone else realised that the Oracle said that Durkon would be going back to his homeland in a coffin, but not that he'd actually be dead. How likely is it that he is sent back by Tarquin to spread some havoc? Posthumously. Not in a coffin.
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He's posthumous now. He's undead as we speak. He can go home at any moment.
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Well there is probably a gate up there to attend to...
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I wonder if Roy has realized that yet.
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I'm pretty sure that Roy and the rest of the Order are too focused on Girard's Gate to take a time out and go over all the implications of what's happened so far. I have no doubt that after Girard's Gate is resolved (how ever that happens) and the Order regroups all these pieces will start to click into place with alarming alacrity.
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Yep, I would say that the Order is just about rightly hosed. I do have to wonder just how Durkon will be once Malack releases him. I would like to think he wouldn't be over the top evil, but more of a resigned, low key evil. Maybe could even join back up with the Order in a " We got a literal end of the world situation here. Let's finish this, we'll split ways and you can try to find me, and destroy me, if you can." Like durk will work with them, and doesn't like what he has become, but at the same time isn't going to stand there and let Roy stake him.
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Actually I can see exactly that happening, unless becoming a vampire in Rich's world automatically turns you evil. But if it's regular old Durkon he'd be more than happy to go to his ancestors rather than unlive as an abomination, and have his best friend make sure of it to boot. He could probably be persuaded to use his considerable powers to finish the job first but afterwards...
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My Lovely Horse posted:Actually I can see exactly that happening, unless becoming a vampire in Rich's world automatically turns you evil. But if it's regular old Durkon he'd be more than happy to go to his ancestors rather than unlive as an abomination, and have his best friend make sure of it to boot. He could probably be persuaded to use his considerable powers to finish the job first but afterwards... By definition being undead makes you register as Evil to a Detect Evil spell, since you're animated via negative energy. Why this doesn't also ,mean living things register as good, since they are animated via positive energy, is anyone's guess. So it wouldn't be Rich's doing that Durokon is evil. But whether or not his original personality is intact and will rebel against his new self is another matter entirely.
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Really, I don't see it AS Durkon. Sure, his soul is trapped inside that shell, but it's more like chained, or jailed. It's more of a meat pouch that has all of Durkon's memories, and the perceptions that drove his personality, but now animated with negative energy. Things get a little weird when you have actual souls and afterlifes. It's Durkon...but it's not. It's ...Durkon's memories are like firmware, his body being the hardware, and instead of his soul driving, you got another force. Malack has the memories of when he was alive, but as he said, that person is long dead, even though that is him...but it's not. Durkon may feel the same way. He'll feel compelled to finish this quest(or else he is dead), but he might not see reason in letting Roy take him out. I could see Durkon ,still having that connection between them, being like Malack when Roy tracks Durkon down. That is " I don't want to fight you, you are my friend. Is there no other way but one of us to die?" Johnny Aztec fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jun 27, 2013 |
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Johnny Aztec posted:It's Durkon...but it's not. It's ...Durkon's memories are like firmware, his body being the hardware, and instead of his soul driving, you got another force. This is the best. "Oh, your friend died? Have you tried turning him off and on?"
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Forer posted:This is the best. Given the bone golem interlude, yeah that's pretty much it.
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Who What Now posted:By definition being undead makes you register as Evil to a Detect Evil spell, since you're animated via negative energy. It's actually interesting. A good undead (in acts and intents) would still be detected as evil; because undead existence is evil in itself. Likewise for a few other things. A neutral cleric of an evil faith would also be detected as evil, because he is a channel for an evil power, regardless of what he does with it exactly. Such things show that the detect alignment spells are not good ways to judge a character.
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Forer posted:This is the best. See also: Toy Story 3. Durkon as a Spanish Mariachi master would let me die happy.
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Cat Mattress posted:It's actually interesting. A good undead (in acts and intents) would still be detected as evil; because undead existence is evil in itself. Retroactively giving us another reason to hate Miko.
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Durkon just needs to go killing a bunch of gypsies til one curses him with a soul, and be careful not to fall in love with, then subsequently have sex with a teenager.
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greatn posted:Durkon just needs to go killing a bunch of gypsies til one curses him with a soul, and be careful not to fall in love with, then subsequently have sex with a teenager. Or get drugged in a badly written adventure that will never be mentioned again.
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greatn posted:Durkon just needs to go killing a bunch of gypsies til one curses him with a soul, and be careful not to fall in love with, then subsequently have sex with a teenager. Vamp Durkon in a leather trenchcoat with a bunch of loveable misfits fighting crime? Sign me the gently caress up.
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sebmojo posted:Vamp Durkon in a leather trenchcoat with a bunch of loveable misfits fighting crime? Sign me the gently caress up.
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Colon V posted:I'm not entirely sure I'm catching the reference here. Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Angel
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Cat Mattress posted:It's actually interesting. A good undead (in acts and intents) would still be detected as evil; because undead existence is evil in itself. A good DM can have a lot of fun with this exact thing, and I suspect that once Durkon is no longer enslaved to Malack I think this very thing will be a big plot point if/when Durkon tries to return to his homeland to warn his clan of Xykon or the Linear Guild coming for Kraagor's gate.
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New comic, looks like poo poo's about to go down in a big way: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0896.html Time for V to give the devils their due
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