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DrSunshine posted:About that-- I figure people default to the "Southern country accent" because most translations are done by Americans. I just wonder what'd it be like if most translators were British? What kind of accent would they use? Chav-speak? Geordie accents? West Country.
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DrSunshine posted:About that-- I figure people default to the "Southern country accent" because most translations are done by Americans. I just wonder what'd it be like if most translators were British? What kind of accent would they use? Chav-speak? Geordie accents? Aussie?
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That was my first thought, too; "a bit of ooh-arr country". But that's not actually the Osakan stereotype, is it? It's more of the "fast-talking, rude, money-canny" sort than "bumpkin", right? So, Cockney, or Scottish? I am now imagining Connie referring to Sasha as "tha' tattie wifey".
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Autonomous Monster posted:That was my first thought, too; "a bit of ooh-arr country". But that's not actually the Osakan stereotype, is it? It's more of the "fast-talking, rude, money-canny" sort than "bumpkin", right? So, Cockney, or Scottish? Ah, I thought we where just talking about Sasha specifically. Apparently the modern stereotype for the Osakan dialect rose from it's use by prominent comedians and now their viewed as sort of loud and boisterous with a tone that's both melodic and harsh. I think a south Wales accent would work well for that. Pensive fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jun 27, 2013 |
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genericnick posted:I wouldn't necessarily believe him in that instant. Don't really see him saying: "Hey did you learn that in Titan school too? Always hated mirror Katagana." At that point, he didn't know she was a titan.
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HenryEx posted:At that point, he didn't know she was a titan. My point is that even if it was the written language of his home city he had no reason to admit that he could read it and every reason to lie about it. Though admittedly he wasn't thinking particularly clearly at the time so its probably the truth.
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Shadow0 posted:Side note, but this talk of languages reminded me of it and today I was thinking about it: Connie apparently only speaks in polite language because if he speaks normally, he'll use his region's accent and everyone will think he's a dumb farmer boy or something. It's a shame there's no way (I can think of) for the translator to show that, so they just mention it randomly in that one panel or so. It's just funny to me that all of humanity is stuck in these little walls and they still manage to develop dialects, but everyone (even the titans) apparently speaks one language, even if there is an older writing system (or even language). It doesn't seem that odd, we have a billion dialects and accents in the UK and the area inside the walls is much larger. Inside Sina is English accents, inside Rose is Scottish and inside Maria is Welsh. Bert and Ernie and Annie had to try hard not to let their Irish brogue give them away 
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Thoren posted:I originally thought Ymir was one of the "entirely" transformed Titans, like the ones that recently got spawned inside the walls from the villagers. It's still possible that the deviant that referred to her as "Ymir-sama" was clinging to some small memory of humanity referring to Ymir's human faction/origin. As long as they have the will any human can reject
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Shadow0 posted:Side note, but this talk of languages reminded me of it and today I was thinking about it: Connie apparently only speaks in polite language because if he speaks normally, he'll use his region's accent and everyone will think he's a dumb farmer boy or something. It's a shame there's no way (I can think of) for the translator to show that, so they just mention it randomly in that one panel or so. It's just funny to me that all of humanity is stuck in these little walls and they still manage to develop dialects, but everyone (even the titans) apparently speaks one language, even if there is an older writing system (or even language). I just like that there's literally exactly one (1) asian person in the entire world, but they all still speak with Japanese conventions like this (even if they're really speaking English or German or whatever).
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Fister Roboto posted:I just like that there's literally exactly one (1) asian person in the entire world, but they all still speak with Japanese conventions like this (even if they're really speaking English or German or whatever). You've never heard someone with a thick southern accent trying to act super formal and high class, to not embarrass himself? Because I have. It's not just a Japanese thing, not sure about other countries or even states, but in California I've heard plenty of people with thick accents trying to use 'big words' or sound more formal. You will never find someone in Cali saying 'y'all', because they would be laughed at.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just like that there's literally exactly one (1) asian person in the entire world, but they all still speak with Japanese conventions like this (even if they're really speaking English or German or whatever).  One (1) Half-Asian person in the entire world (Just ignore the occasional redshirt running around with a Japanese given name...)
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KittyEmpress posted:You will never find someone in Cali saying 'y'all', because they would be laughed at. What, you mean black people don't live in California?  Naw, I get what you mean. It's okay. 
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Shadow0 posted:Side note, but this talk of languages reminded me of it and today I was thinking about it: Connie apparently only speaks in polite language because if he speaks normally, he'll use his region's accent and everyone will think he's a dumb farmer boy or something. It's a shame there's no way (I can think of) for the translator to show that, so they just mention it randomly in that one panel or so. It's just funny to me that all of humanity is stuck in these little walls and they still manage to develop dialects, but everyone (even the titans) apparently speaks one language, even if there is an older writing system (or even language). That's Sasha, not Connie. But yes, in the flashbacks and when she's talking to her dad, she uses a rough dialect and otherwise speaks extremely politely to everyone who's not from her home, even to the kawaii-est titan as it was about to smash her into paste way back in the beginning.
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This manga is really cool, diggin' it so far. I'm dumb and read it all at once. I wonder what Bert and Ernie are gonna do next! Sasha's dialect seems like it would be difficult to translate properly anyway.
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KittyEmpress posted:You've never heard someone with a thick southern accent trying to act super formal and high class, to not embarrass himself? Because I have. It's not just a Japanese thing, not sure about other countries or even states, but in California I've heard plenty of people with thick accents trying to use 'big words' or sound more formal. Well yeah, but most languages don't have a specific vocabulary for varying degrees of politeness.
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KittyEmpress posted:You will never find someone in Cali saying 'y'all', because they would be laughed at. Once 'y'all' affixes itself to your vocabulary you're incapable of not using it. No matter the ridicule, you're unable to avoid saying it anymore than you could avoid the word 'the'.
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Fister Roboto posted:Well yeah, but most languages don't have a specific vocabulary for varying degrees of politeness. 
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Fister Roboto posted:Well yeah, but most languages don't have a specific vocabulary for varying degrees of politeness. Quite a few non-English languages do in fact have specific terms of address and verb conjugations to indicate politeness. And even in English there's a big difference between casual speech and formal speech in the words you choose etc. Another way you could think of it is putting on an accent when you go to a different country or something to fit in better, which is a thing that does happen (some of my friends do it too sadly).
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Fister Roboto posted:Well yeah, but most languages don't have a specific vocabulary for varying degrees of politeness. French has two entirely different ways of conjugating verbs depending on the level of politeness you want to use with a person.
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of bees posted:French has two entirely different ways of conjugating verbs depending on the level of politeness you want to use with a person. Well obviously French would. You've got to find a way to make it clear that you're being bitchy to someone.
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SC Bracer posted:Quite a few non-English languages do in fact have specific terms of address and verb conjugations to indicate politeness. And even in English there's a big difference between casual speech and formal speech in the words you choose etc. I've always found that English is very, very much about tone of voice and how you say something, not what you say. There's definitely impolite and polite language, but for the most part whether something is seen as rude or sarcastic is down to how the speaker says it.
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of bees posted:French has two entirely different ways of conjugating verbs depending on the level of politeness you want to use with a person. True, but those are interchangeable with the plural form. You'd use "vous" either when referring to someone politely, or to a group of people. Kind of like the royal we. French is weird like that.
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Oh dear god... this Titan cosplay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdBUvdlnKv0
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In the latest episode didn't Jaeger pop out first and then reform? Or did it happen as in the show?Fister Roboto posted:I just like that there's literally exactly one (1) asian person in the entire world, but they all still speak with Japanese conventions like this (even if they're really speaking English or German or whatever). There's still like High/Low German maybe that can get the job done, maybe? I also thought Asians in AoT were just really rare.
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Say Nothing posted:Oh dear god... this Titan cosplay!  ?
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So it looks like next week's episode is a clip show, but judging from some of the images they showed in the preview (crying Sasha  ) they may get to the scene where the recruits make their final decision over which branch of the armed forces to join.That speech, and all of the characters' reactions, is one of the absolute defining moments of the series. I really hope the show handles it well, because out of all the speechifying in this series, that one is the epitome of being the antithesis of the "shonen blazing heart inspirational speech", and the show's record on handling that sort of thing has had its ups and downs.
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Cross posting this from the iOS games thread: https://itunes.apple.com/tw/app/titan-evolution-party/id661051843?l=en&mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D2
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Say Nothing posted:Oh dear god... this Titan cosplay! That's a bit of a shameless repost, the original by the guy in the costume (who usually mucks about in a Deadpool costume) is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDAZJC-yYcg EDIT: Nevermind that this is basically a crosspost from the anime thread. Runa fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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From the anime thread:ArcaneTree posted:18 June 2013 ArcaneTree posted:1 July 2013 
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Yeah, the story moves super slow but every month it gives us some new tidbit of important information to talk about. This is a monthly manga and a years-old thread and it was still extremely popular even before the anime. Very few manga threads have the same momentum as this one, and it's for a reason. (The reason is that it's good)
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You have no idea how good we have it with AOT. If this was Naruto or Bleach or something we'd still be in the training chapters. Or it would have gone horribly off the rails somehow.
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I'm still utterly mystified how this manga could have the success it has. It has a slow-moving, carefully planned out plot, a very bleak atmosphere, horrible art in places and rather bland backgrounds. How the hell did this become a bestseller so early? Not that it doesn't deserve that, sure.
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Torquemadras posted:I'm still utterly mystified how this manga could have the success it has. It has a slow-moving, carefully planned out plot, a very bleak atmosphere, horrible art in places and rather bland backgrounds. How the hell did this become a bestseller so early? Because everything except the artwork has been pretty much top of its game. Even the artwork suits its purpose, especially for the titans themselves.
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Captain Invictus posted:You have no idea how good we have it with AOT. If this was Naruto or Bleach or something we'd still be in the training chapters. Or it would have gone horribly off the rails somehow. If this was Battle Angel Alita we'd still be in ZOTT! 
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Breaky posted:Because everything except the artwork has been pretty much top of its game. That's what confuses me - it really is a great manga, but you really don't notice its qualities unless you stick with it for a while. Yet it immediately was a big hit, cracking the sales top ten and what not. Seems there was some incredible marketing / word of mouth going on.
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Torquemadras posted:That's what confuses me - it really is a great manga, but you really don't notice its qualities unless you stick with it for a while. Yet it immediately was a big hit, cracking the sales top ten and what not. I wonder. It caught on here in the forum really quickly as well and got a lot of praise. We'd be pretty impervious to foreign marketing etc. I like to think it just stood out enough on its own but it could easily be both regarding sales overseas.
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I just loving love creepy monsters that are basically giant old ugly people. And bleak poo poo is in. I started this at around the same time I started watching Walking Dead, which is similarly slow as balls sometimes, but fun in the "what if humans suck and fail against monster humans all the time" way.
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Torquemadras posted:I'm still utterly mystified how this manga could have the success it has. It has a slow-moving, carefully planned out plot, a very bleak atmosphere, horrible art in places and rather bland backgrounds. How the hell did this become a bestseller so early? Schadenfreude basically, everyone loves others misery, it's why the media is so popular.
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