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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Never before have I wanted to oval office punt someone. I concur. And it just gets worse from there. There are tons of them are literally questioning the validity of the event and the victims accounts of it. Basically claiming hundreds of people are liars out to get their precious man child. Another was laughing at the mother of two young men who had each lost a right leg because she quote: "wanted to be in court to look evil in the face" apparently that's hilarious to em'.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Never before have I wanted to oval office punt someone. It's pretty crazy reading fangirl stories such as how one travelled all the way from Washington state to help save Jahar. Speaking of dreamy things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uf95INZmWI
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So I had to check youtube to see these nuts outside the courtroom and this grown adult literally suggests this is all a big misunderstanding and it was a gas explosion from the restaurant  , like her ignorance isn't even of the tinfoil varity, she literally seems to have no idea 2 explosions occurred in different areas and that the aftermath in no way looks like the explosin went off inside a building.This is enraging me far more than teen fangirls supporting him because they think he looks cute.
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jalopybrown posted:So I had to check youtube to see these nuts outside the courtroom and this grown adult literally suggests this is all a big misunderstanding and it was a gas explosion from the restaurant It's strange that they could spend time and effort to get there, but they can't put the time and effort into finding out about the evidence? I mean, if you're that passionate about something, shouldn't you at least have cursory knowledge about it?
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Shits getting ridiculous. You know these girls are going to grow up into Truthers because of this. This poo poo needs to be nipped in the bud. I mean, how much would it cost to get a fellow prisoner to throw hot grease into his face while in the cafeteria? No fangirl would want to bang "melted pizzaface Jahar".
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Young Freud posted:Shits getting ridiculous. You know these girls are going to grow up into Truthers because of this. This poo poo needs to be nipped in the bud. I mean, how much would it cost to get a fellow prisoner to throw hot grease into his face while in the cafeteria? No fangirl would want to bang "melted pizzaface Jahar". No, this poo poo will lead to Shipping. Jahar-Edward Shipping. Watch. It will happen. It already has happened. As I have typed this sentence it was borne into being.
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The NY Times just put out a long-awaited article about the failure to tie Tamerlan to the Waltham triple homicide. My brother was a friend of Brendan Mess and was interviewed for this, but it looks like quite a bit of information was cut for length.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Do the FreeJahar people have any real reasoning behind their point or is it all just teenage idiots screaming into the ether? Like, what's the idea here, was he framed because of his background or are we into Alex Jones territory? They have a lot of theories and they are all bugfuck insane: The Tsarnaevs were targeted by the FBI/CIA/Boston Police Department/Big Media (all interchangeable) and set up. Reasons for the setup differ based on what dumbass Truther youtube video the theorist watched first. It's either a false flag operation to distract the American people from local political fuckery, or an excuse to go to war with Islamic people in (mumble mumble), or the BPD goofed a bomb training exercise by accidentally using real bombs that hurt real people, so they needed someone to blame. Some variations go as far as to claim there was no bombing at all, just a stage show that was elaborately planned and somehow none of the actors have squealed. Either way, Jahar is defs innocent. His brother made him do it. He didn't want to. He was forced/misled/brainwashed. That's the same thing as being innocent. The USA had it coming, so even if he did it, it's not like he should go to jail, because DRONE STRIKES. Even if he did it, he's only 19. Jaharians "empathize" with his mistake and don't want him to have to face consequences for it. He's a victim, just like the actual victims. He isn't a frothing biting lunatic, according to his friends. Good people don't just do bad things! They had a "gut feeling" the minute they saw his photo. They just know, okay. They feel close to him (which is why they use his nickname and parrot his little in-jokes, and call Tamerlan "Tam" like they're his grieving lifelong friends). They read his tweets and feel like they know him, and he would definitely never blow up a bunch of people. Not mah nigga Jahar! (the white girls in this fandom really, really love to throw the N word around). Islam is a religion of peace, therefore someone who believes in that faith would never kill someone. There was female DNA found on the bomb--therefore it was a WOMAN who planted the bomb. Why haven't we heard more about her? What's the FBI/CIA/NBC/PTA hiding? HMM? HMMMM??? Evidence that has not been submitted to Tumblr cannot possibly exist. What honest motive would the government possibly have to hide that information from the public? The other suspicious devices that day were all bombs, and clearly couldn't have been planted by two people! The real bomber is still out there. "I just realized for the first time that my government sometimes does bad things. Therefore, this has to be a coverup." "If [evidence] was real, why didn't they announce it on the 20th of April?" repeat ad infinitum. The carjacking victim won't show his face and come forward--therefore he is a liar. Jahar supported the West Memphis Three. Therefore, Jahar is innocent. Jahar questioned 9/11 (he was a baby truther) on twitter, therefore the FBI set him up. Someone started a rumor that the note in the boat was written in blood--now that's being spread as fact, and people smugly crow that there is no note, because he wouldn't have had enough blood left in his body to write it. The photos of the brothers at the marathon are, of course, photoshopped. I've seen one floating around that circles the trouser legs of a man walking behind Dzhokhar and claims they are meant to be Dzhokhar's legs, but shopped on backwards. His real legs are visible in the picture. They also claim both that he was uninjured in the boat (so no blood to write a note with) and that he was so badly injured that he couldn't have written a note. The video evidence of him planting the bomb cannot possibly exist because it is not on Tumblr yet. Also, he was arrested--this is proof that the government is corrupt, because he got hurt in the process and that is not supposed to happen in a free America. The FBI apparently tried and failed to kill their innocent suspect several times at the boat and on the way to the hospital. Literally, they set up a firing squad to shoot him, but they all missed his vital organs so they stopped shooting and let the paramedics treat him instead. Then one of the EMTs stabbed him in the throat (some variations used to insist they cut his vocal cords to "stop him speaking out what he knew" but then he started talking and the rumor died) and then also inexplicably stopped their murder attempt and just saved his life instead. Later, in prison, The Government broke his arm and tortured him, which is why he would be pleading guilty. When he didn't plead guilty, Jaharians celebrated that this means he's totally innocent, because all radical extremists are, of course, happy to die for their cause. CNN, NBC and Fox News reported different and conflicting details, which they take as proof that the FBI is constantly changing its story. Jaharians argue that "the government" planned this enormous, violent, bloody attack (or staged it with loads of totally trustworthy actors, if you prefer) and then forgot to plan for little contingencies like sticking to a single pre-planned story. Jaharians get really smug about any tiny inconsistencies they "uncover" (see also: read someone else posting about on Twitter) because it proves Jahar is being persecuted unfairly. Basically it's a huge echo chamber where any information that comes out gets repeated and distorted beyond belief, and the number of people repeating whatever rumor legitimizes it into Fact. They circle the wagons and cry "haters and bullies" at the slightest criticism, because feeling oppressed helps them not feel bored in their lives. They're getting off on the thrill of identifying with a controversial and hated figure, and egging each other on to be the most faithful of his supporters. What's really amazing is watching these 18 year old girls allying themselves with Alex Jones, Jeff Rense and Glenn Beck without knowing who the hell these people are. If someone on StormFront.org posted a vaguely pro-Dzhokhar article, a Jaharian of color would signal-boost it within ten minutes. "See? We're not crazy, other people believe there's a government coverup too! #seek truth #we are the lion #do the research"
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I have to know, what in the flying gently caress does "We are the Lion" mean? I see it being thrown around alot along with "Leave the Chickens". The code speak coupled with the absolute smugness is what set me off the first time. Christ that self importance is so thick it could be spread on a sandwich.
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Flopsy posted:I have to know, what in the flying gently caress does "We are the Lion" mean? I see it being thrown around alot along with "Leave the Chickens". The code speak coupled with the absolute smugness is what set me off the first time. Christ that self importance is so thick it could be spread on a sandwich. Leave the chickens and remove kebab
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Tsarnaev's Twitter icon was a roaring lion and he once posted Profound Teenaged Wisdom about how "these little dogs don't know they're barking at a lion." So a bunch of creepy Tumblr people got together and made a "charity" organization named We Are The Lion using lion iconography that has been acting scammy since day 1 (they were soliciting donations as a charity, in the form of blank money orders). They urge people to "roar loudly" and are responsible for that tiny, sad protest outside the courthouse. Months of campaigning with their twee lion posters and 6 ladies showed up, plus one rear end in a top hat in a Fawkes mask (that he took off for pictures) waving a "false flag" sign that was impossible to read. The news that bothered to cover their presence didn't even get their organization's name right. "Leave the chickens" is something Douchebag The Younger once wrote on an online petition involving (iirc) the banning of urban chicken keeping. Fangirls googled it and adopted it as a precious little in-joke and sign of solidarity. I wish I didn't know these things. It's gross but also compelling, like picking a scab. Crump Rocknubs fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Wow...just..oof...I knew I wasn't going to like the answer but Jesus this is sad. It's like if someone asked what pure crystallized insanity looked like this would be it. Again though it's a total goldmine if you're looking for interesting material. Who could make this poo poo up? If anything if it weren't so well documented at this point, explaining it alone would make you look like a nutter.
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Flopsy posted:Wow...just..oof...I knew I wasn't going to like the answer but Jesus this is sad. It's like if someone asked what pure crystallized insanity looked like this would be it. Again though it's a total goldmine if you're looking for interesting material. Who could make this poo poo up? If anything if it weren't so well documented at this point, explaining it alone would make you look like a nutter. If people can believe that the Holocaust never happened, and that America is 2013 years old, the range of belief for madmen is endless.
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Toclafane posted:It's either a false flag operation to distract the American people from local political fuckery, or an excuse to go to war with Islamic people in (mumble mumble), or the BPD goofed a bomb training exercise by accidentally using real bombs that hurt real people, so they needed someone to blame. Some variations go as far as to claim there was no bombing at all, just a stage show that was elaborately planned and somehow none of the actors have squealed. Either way, Jahar is defs innocent.
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There's a lot of "This girl has dark hair and red lips, just like the survivor in this snapshot from Sandy Hook. Interesting coincidence, HMMMM?" going around. Two pictures of different people, but both sobbing. They don't seem to connect emotionally to the notion that the people in the pictures have been photographed suffering a horrible tragedy. One of these sets had Krystle dying in the background just under a line of red text and I honestly wanted to kick someone in the face for making me see that again. My theory is that they've watched so much TV that they experience life as just another show. They have feels about the characters and complain about the obviousness of the special effects like it's one. Maybe they need there to be a writer in charge so they won't go crazy from the randomness of life and an unaccustomed sense of vulnerability. Oh, and so it's more OK to have a crush on Douchebag the Younger because his crime was just a plot twist. Crump Rocknubs fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Toclafane posted:My theory is that they've watched so much TV that they experience life as just another show. They have feels about the characters and complain about the obviousness of the special effects like it's one. Maybe they need there to be a writer in charge so they won't go crazy from the randomness of life and an unaccustomed sense of vulnerability. Oh, and so it's more OK to have a crush on Douchebag the Younger because his crime was just a plot twist. Your theory works equally well to analyze the behavior of the crazies on the other side. The people who had no loved ones hurt, whose only connection to the bombings was that they watched it on TV, but who have a pathological need to hate and who are habituated to TV giving them their two minutes hate. People who would toss out the rule of law in their ardor to show their fellows they are the bestest at screeching their manufactured outrage. Folks who turn Dzhokhar's required answers to the Judge's required questions into "shouting, 'not guilty over and over" so they can pretend their pathology is justified. People who twist Dzhokhar waving at his sisters into blowing kisses to his fangirls so they can rationalize their own malevolence as legitimate. On the other hand, blind vengeance and dogpiling are understandable, and very human, failures of decency. Fanclubbing isn't so understandable; perhaps it's a reaction formation from the bloodlust.
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Toclafane posted:excellent summation of fangirl madness There's also a crazy theory that has popped up after the court appearance; that was a body double of  Jahar in the courtroom, not their idol. Because the real Jahar is so much cuter and not puffy and weird-looking! The government planted a double of Jahar to... plead innocent and look bored, I guess?Toclafane posted:There's a lot of "This girl has dark hair and red lips, just like the survivor in this snapshot from Sandy Hook. Interesting coincidence, HMMMM?" going around. Two pictures of different people, but both sobbing. The "crisis actor" stuff all seems to largely be fueled by the site of one guy with a cripplingly severe case of Fregoli delusion, Ed Chiarini. He doesn't just think that Boston and Sandy Hook were done with crisis actors, he thinks the entire world is. John Boehner is played by Ray Liotta! Edward Snowden is Tyler Clemente, the Rutgers webcam suicide victim! Joseph Stalin was James Joyce! Teddy Roosevelt faked his death and came back as William Taft! Pope John Paul I faked his death and is now managing the Phillies! Walt Disney was Hitler! 
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Kung Food posted:My favorite bit of this is that they claim the guy who lost his legs is an actor. Apparently he was already an amputee and was some able to go from looking normal to horribly maimed bomb victim in a few seconds. To prove this they post a picture of some ex-army guy who lost his legs that looks vaguely like him. This right here is like the original link I read. It was the picture of the dude in the cowboy hat helping that guy who had his legs blown off into an ambulance. And her criticizing the cameraman for not taking a pictures of his bloody mutilated stumps rather than y'know his face. Toclafane just hit the nail on the head I think, they're viewing this like some sort of real life tv show and Dhokazar is their "Draco in Leather Pants" as it were.
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bonestructure posted:Teddy Roosevelt faked his death and came back as William Taft! Oh my god. I knew it!
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bonestructure posted:There's also a crazy theory that has popped up after the court appearance; that was a body double of This universe is so much cooler than the real one.
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Flopsy posted:This right here is like the original link I read. It was the picture of the dude in the cowboy hat helping that guy who had his legs blown off into an ambulance. And her criticizing the cameraman for not taking a pictures of his bloody mutilated stumps rather than y'know his face. Toclafane just hit the nail on the head I think, they're viewing this like some sort of real life tv show and Dhokazar is their "Draco in Leather Pants" as it were. Except one of the most iconic pictures, when uncropped, is a full body shot of Jeff Bauman's mutilation plus Carlos Arredondo holding Jeff's femoral artery shut. I'll bet she's never sought it out, or accused it of being post-doctored photoshop. The 'leather pants' comparison is really apt (and I'm slightly ashamed to know what you're referring to). Between Dhokazar himself and these bugnuts proto-truthers I almost don't know who to be more upset with. I don't envy that jury. I dislike the death penalty, but find Supermax far worse. There's got to be a humane way to imprison someone for 60+ years, make them useful in some fashion and without breaking their mind (because I personally think he's already pretty broken and needs severe help, something I wish he and his brother had got years ago).
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Between Dhokazar himself and these bugnuts proto-truthers I almost don't know who to be more upset with. I don't envy that jury. I dislike the death penalty, but find Supermax far worse. There's got to be a humane way to imprison someone for 60+ years, make them useful in some fashion and without breaking their mind (because I personally think he's already pretty broken and needs severe help, something I wish he and his brother had got years ago). The optimist in me would want Dzhokhar to become rehabilitated and become some kind of inspirational champion for anti-terrorism, because the dude actually seemed to be completely normal before Tamerlan got ahold of him, but the realist in me remembers that he purposely placed that bomb directly behind a young boy.
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joat mon posted:Your theory works equally well to analyze the behavior of the crazies on the other side. The people who had no loved ones hurt, whose only connection to the bombings was that they watched it on TV, but who have a pathological need to hate and who are habituated to TV giving them their two minutes hate. People who would toss out the rule of law in their ardor to show their fellows they are the bestest at screeching their manufactured outrage. Folks who turn Dzhokhar's required answers to the Judge's required questions into "shouting, 'not guilty over and over" so they can pretend their pathology is justified. People who twist Dzhokhar waving at his sisters into blowing kisses to his fangirls so they can rationalize their own malevolence as legitimate. I have definitely seen a couple people in the anti-Jahar-fandom fandom who fit this bill. There's one troll on the Tumblr side who regularly posts suicide bomber "religion of peace" photo memes on the tags. And there's a certain nasty edge of misogyny in a lot of the criticism. They're 90% female, yeah, but I'm not sure how that's a "so there". And the jingoists. Dear god, the jingoists. EDIT: Back in May a meme was going around with pictures of Arredondo circled (in red, in mspaint, of course) asking if anyone else has noticed this weird guy in the hat "holding a Russian flag" and pointing out how he shows up in a lot of pictures. Does anyone else think he's with Russian intelligence? "Why hasn't anyone wondered who that guy was and what he was doing?" the poster asked. "Very suspicious!" Not a single Jaharian was familiar with this guy, and they thought they'd just stumbled onto Something Huge. Crump Rocknubs fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Kung Food posted:My favorite bit of this is that they claim the guy who lost his legs is an actor. Apparently he was already an amputee and was some able to go from looking normal to horribly maimed bomb victim in a few seconds. To prove this they post a picture of some ex-army guy who lost his legs that looks vaguely like him. The most nuts thing about this line of thought, to me, is that the CIA/Illuminati would hire a bunch of actors to fake a bomb instead of just, you know, setting off a bomb. There would be fewer points of failure in the scheme and it would be much more convincing. It's not like they specifically need a guy to lose his legs to fulfill whatever their goal is supposed to be. They're evil enough to frame an innocent and handsome young man, surely they wouldn't be squeamish about an actual bombing.
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Wheeze posted:The most nuts thing about this line of thought, to me, is that the CIA/Illuminati would hire a bunch of actors to fake a bomb instead of just, you know, setting off a bomb. There would be fewer points of failure in the scheme and it would be much more convincing. It's not like they specifically need a guy to lose his legs to fulfill whatever their goal is supposed to be. They're evil enough to frame an innocent and handsome young man, surely they wouldn't be squeamish about an actual bombing. They could learn a lot from Putin and the Moscow apartment block bombings.
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demonachizer posted:They could learn a lot from Putin and the Moscow apartment block bombings. I guess go big or go home, right?
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I just looked, and the prevailing theory right now on Tumblr is that sudden hearing loss in one ear causes a person to develop a deaf accent. Obviously.
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Toclafane posted:I just looked, and the prevailing theory right now on Tumblr is that sudden hearing loss in one ear causes a person to develop a deaf accent. Obviously. Silly me. I thought it was due to growing up near Russia.
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That explanation gets in the way of a lot of hurt/comfort fanfiction ideas. Tread carefully.
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Toclafane posted:That explanation gets in the way of a lot of hurt/comfort fanfiction ideas. Tread carefully. Stupid reality and facts.
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Toclafane posted:EDIT: Back in May a meme was going around with pictures of Arredondo circled (in red, in mspaint, of course) asking if anyone else has noticed this weird guy in the hat "holding a Russian flag" and pointing out how he shows up in a lot of pictures. Does anyone else think he's with Russian intelligence? "Why hasn't anyone wondered who that guy was and what he was doing?" the poster asked. "Very suspicious!" Not a single Jaharian was familiar with this guy, and they thought they'd just stumbled onto Something Huge.
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Wheeze posted:The most nuts thing about this line of thought, to me, is that the CIA/Illuminati would hire a bunch of actors to fake a bomb instead of just, you know, setting off a bomb. There would be fewer points of failure in the scheme and it would be much more convincing. It's not like they specifically need a guy to lose his legs to fulfill whatever their goal is supposed to be. They're evil enough to frame an innocent and handsome young man, surely they wouldn't be squeamish about an actual bombing. Yeah, it's been a thing since before the 9/11 Truthers saying the planes were empty or something like that. Much as conspiracy theorists like to have their enemies at once brilliant secretive masterminds and yet dropping easy hints and screwups like a Batman villain, they often like mustache-twirling evil combined with going through elaborate hoops to limit actual harm done.
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Ghost Cow Goes Boo posted:This is the best theory. The guy with the Russian flag must be Russian intelligence, because we all know foreign spies walk around waving their flag at all times. Those guys hate being inconspicuous. Someone call up Edward Snowden and tell him he'll be fine so long as he crosses the street any time he sees anyone waving Old Glory. "Oh poo poo, here comes Hulk Hogan and he looks pissed. Run, Glenn, run!" That's topping the "PMC's were at the Boston Marathon, they blew it up and then hung out afterwards to help rescue people. INSIDE JOB!" truther theory.
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Rolling Stone has Jahar on cover, with a story how he went from promising student to beliving terrorist acts could be justified. I'm sure it'll have a number of anecdotes and facts that will be the basis for more conspiracy theories for the Free Jahar crew. http://www.boston.com/news/source/2013/07/marathon_bombing_suspect_tsarnaev_makes_cover_of_rolling_sto.html
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Killer robot posted:Yeah, it's been a thing since before the 9/11 Truthers saying the planes were empty or something like that. That is so immensely, confusingly stupid. Were the twin towers empty as well? If your shadow conspiracy is willing to murder thousands of people in the towers, why would you balk at murdering a couple hundred in the planes?
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MD2020 posted:Rolling Stone has Jahar on cover, with a story how he went from promising student to beliving terrorist acts could be justified. Welp. Time to boycott Rolling Stone. Disgusting.
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Flopsy posted:This right here is like the original link I read. It was the picture of the dude in the cowboy hat helping that guy who had his legs blown off into an ambulance. And her criticizing the cameraman for not taking a pictures of his bloody mutilated stumps rather than y'know his face. Toclafane just hit the nail on the head I think, they're viewing this like some sort of real life tv show and Dhokazar is their "Draco in Leather Pants" as it were. Well they absolutely hate Jeff Bauman the most because he witnessed Dzokhar set the backpack down.
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